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Old March 20th, 2012 (11:59 AM).
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I think I found a weird hint that Hoenn is going to be in the next game. I was replaying Emerald, and in Rustburo, in that church looking building, there's a scientist that says he's working on trying to see pokemon dreams. Like what's her face is doing in Black and White. Coincidence? Old news?
That's old news and doesn't have to mean Hoenn will be in B2/W2. Probably that scientist from Rustboro will introduce to Dream World in R/S remakes. If it'll be true, it would mean that Dream World was planned already during gen 3 development.
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I'll be honest... I don't think we'll travel to any other region. I'm only saying this because Platinum was Diamond & Pearl's sequel, and all that did was add some features, and stayed in Sinnoh. Who knows? They may add the ability to travel to another region, but I doubt it.
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I simply think they will add to more areas to Unova, or show Sinnoh again and develop what plans Ghetsis had for the orbs.

Also simply cause the crystals are red and blue doesn't mean Hoenn will appear...thats like those people who say that because the pokeball design in HgSs is Green that it will be Emerald that is remade...
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I think that there's going to be a small expansion.
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Old March 21st, 2012 (05:35 PM).
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Their is a person who came from Hoenn that is in the desert region buy the cave with pokemon statues out front.
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Old March 21st, 2012 (09:55 PM).
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Their is a person who came from Hoenn that is in the desert region buy the cave with pokemon statues out front.
Coincidence. Just like there being Moo Moo Milk that's purchasable, Rage Candy Bars, Old Gateau, and Lava Cookies. Also in the same way that Jasmine appeared in D/P or Looker in Platinum as well as B/W or for that matter of fact anyone of any minute significance references another region foreign to the game being played.

All it shows is that the Pokémon world is a connected world.

Just go talk to the fat guy in any given starting town. He'll tell you all about the changing world, it's evolving technology, and information connections. (Really, in every generation... as if we weren't aware by now)
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Old March 21st, 2012 (10:22 PM).
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Coincidence. Just like there being Moo Moo Milk that's purchasable, Rage Candy Bars, Old Gateau, and Lava Cookies. Also in the same way that Jasmine appeared in D/P or Looker in Platinum as well as B/W or for that matter of fact anyone of any minute significance references another region foreign to the game being played.

All it shows is that the Pokémon world is a connected world.

Just go talk to the fat guy in any given starting town. He'll tell you all about the changing world, it's evolving technology, and information connections. (Really, in every generation... as if we weren't aware by now)
Okay yea it may be, but is any other region mentioned in the game? Just asking. I dont want to come across as a smart a**
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Old March 22nd, 2012 (07:29 PM).
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Been awhile since I have played but I pretty sure there was mention of Team Galactic and Rocket, since the guy in the Icirrus Moor was a former member. So there is definitely interrelatedness from multiple fronts. Which doesn't really have me lean to one region over the other that will be visited. As for the Hoenn discussion, I myself if I was calling the shots at Gamefreak wouldn't go through with that as a second region for this game, from the stand point that they probably don't need to release two games centered around Hoenn in a year/two year span from each other. I'd rather see an expansion of the Unova region and how it has developed, as opposed to seeing another region or one we have already visited in past games.
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If Hoenn ends up in B2/W2, I'm not buying it. I'm already not buying any R/S remakes because the region is a chore to traverse, and having it forced upon B2/W2 players would be unfair. And I'd much rather see more urban development and sprawl in the Castelia vicinity anyway (i.e., Route 4).

As for references to other regions, a Grunt in N's Castle says that Team Rocket and Team Galactic were foiled because they revealed their plans to the public, or something to that effect. And of course you had Cynthia.
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Old March 23rd, 2012 (06:15 AM).
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let's say the far away region N went to was Hoenn, now if you played white your Pokemon was Zekrom and N had reshiram , but now if you get white 2 white kyurem is one the cover. And it was stated the kyurem changes form by absorbing the dragons genes, so if N Is in Hoenn and he doesn't return to unova, and they way kyurem changes form is by absorbing genes wouldn't kyurem have to go to Hoenn? And if you want to catch it wouldnt you have to go to Hoenn ?
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Old March 23rd, 2012 (07:11 AM).
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let's say the far away region N went to was Hoenn, now if you played white your Pokemon was Zekrom and N had reshiram , but now if you get white 2 white kyurem is one the cover. And it was stated the kyurem changes form by absorbing the dragons genes, so if N Is in Hoenn and he doesn't return to unova, and they way kyurem changes form is by absorbing genes wouldn't kyurem have to go to Hoenn? And if you want to catch it wouldnt you have to go to Hoenn ?
Let say that again - Even if N really went to Hoenn how would Kyurem know where is he? I think N will release his Zekrom/Reshiram just like he released every caught Pokemon during B/W, and let it go back to Unova to play role in B2/W2. Hoenn is not really needed in B2/W2.
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Old March 23rd, 2012 (01:56 PM).
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Quote originally posted by wombateiro:
Let say that again - Even if N really went to Hoenn how would Kyurem know where is he? I think N will release his Zekrom/Reshiram just like he released every caught Pokemon during B/W, and let it go back to Unova to play role in B2/W2. Hoenn is not really needed in B2/W2.
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It's true that he releasesd all of his previouse Pokemon , but reshiram is different it befriended N . I N wouldn't send a Pokemon away if it wanted to stay with him.
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Doubt it, and honestly I am tired of this speculation. Why would they put another region in the game? Hoenn? No, most likely that will be saved for the R/S/E remakes. I think B/W 2 will just have Unova, as it should.
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Old March 24th, 2012 (01:43 PM).
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Doubt it, and honestly I am tired of this speculation. Why would they put another region in the game? Hoenn? No, most likely that will be saved for the R/S/E remakes. I think B/W 2 will just have Unova, as it should.
Why would they make a sequel to B/W instead of making the usual 3rd game and using part of the plot of B/W 2 in gen 6?
The answer is simple because they can.
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Old March 24th, 2012 (02:13 PM).
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I thought that even if N traveled to Hoenn it doesn't have to mean Hoenn will be in B2/W2 because timetable (not release order) for gen 5 storylines could be planned like this: 1) B/W, 2) R/S remakes, 3) B2/W2. It means that in B2/W2 N would return from Hoenn, while in R/S remakes which storyline would take place earlier than B2/W2, he would be cameo character and have Zekrom in Ruby remake or Reshiram in Sapphire remake.

Having timetable like this would also mean that in B2/W2 there might be some rumors about events from Hoenn storyline which were missing in B/W.
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Quote originally posted by wombateiro:
I thought that even if N traveled to Hoenn it doesn't have to mean Hoenn will be in B2/W2 because timetable (not release order) for gen 5 storylines could be planned like this: 1) B/W, 2) R/S remakes, 3) B2/W2. It means that in B2/W2 N would return from Hoenn, while in R/S remakes which storyline would take place earlier than B2/W2, he would be cameo character and have Zekrom in Ruby remake or Reshiram in Sapphire remake.

Having timetable like this would also mean that in B2/W2 there might be some rumors about events from Hoenn storyline which were missing in B/W.
I highly doubt that. Having sequel elements to Black and White in the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire would likely disappoint a lot of people and many would be left skeptical. I think Black and White 2 will be direct sequels... like, right after N went into the portal.
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I highly doubt that. Having sequel elements to Black and White in the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire would likely disappoint a lot of people and many would be left skeptical. I think Black and White 2 will be direct sequels... like, right after N went into the portal.
N went into a portal? I've always thought that he took of on his Pokemon at super speed
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I guess I just misinterpreted it as a portal. Regardless, N flies away.
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If B2W2 had Hoenn in it it'll be three+ years from it's RSE storyline (proof is that in Platinum a girl in the battle tower mentioned a similar tower in her home region and in Emerald it was being built (pre game) and opened (post game) and Platinum took place before BW)
Either way they should stick to Unova, and expand on it's size and storyline, I feel that if they added Hoenn(or even Kanto,or Sinnoh in that regard)it'll take away from it's role in the story.
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If B2W2 had Hoenn in it it'll be three+ years from it's RSE storyline (proof is that in Platinum a girl in the battle tower mentioned a similar tower in her home region and in Emerald it was being built (pre game) and opened (post game) and Platinum took place before BW)
Either way they should stick to Unova, and expand on it's size and storyline, I feel that if they added Hoenn(or even Kanto,or Sinnoh in that regard)it'll take away from it's role in the story.
I do see your point , but think about this , the girl mentions the battle tower( or one like it) in HG/SS and we know B/W takes place after that. But in B/W we hear no mention of team A/M but we hear about the other teams. Now one could that's because it didn't happen yet, or they just didn't mentioned it, but if we say the latter could one also say the girl talking about the tower could mean a different one we've never seen?

Because if she mentioned the tower that was built after E story line but many years later teams A/M hasent even did what they did yet isn't that some temporal anomaly ? Lol

They kinda already messed up the Pokemon timeline, that's why if Hoenn is in B/W2 we can see hoenn many years later, so it could be like a R/S sequel as well sorta
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Quote originally posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire:
If B2W2 had Hoenn in it it'll be three+ years from it's RSE storyline (proof is that in Platinum a girl in the battle tower mentioned a similar tower in her home region and in Emerald it was being built (pre game) and opened (post game) and Platinum took place before BW)
Maybe I missed something but where does it say that Hoenn's Battle Tower was built EXACTLY during Emerald storyline? I don't remember anything proving that.

If there is no proof for that, it's still possible that R/S/E events take place at similar time as B/W and B2/W2, because of that lack of rumors about Aqua/Magma in B/W. That girl in Platinum could be talking about Hoenn's Battle Tower because it was built before R/S/E storyline. That leads to conclusion that Hoenn shouldn't appear in B2/W2 because R/S remakes with original R/S/E storyline will be story-wise connected to B/W and/or B2/W2 because they all take place at similar time.
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Doubt it, and honestly I am tired of this speculation. Why would they put another region in the game? Hoenn? No, most likely that will be saved for the R/S/E remakes. I think B/W 2 will just have Unova, as it should.
Well as long as we have little info this kind of speculation is going to be in place that's why its called speculation. We thought most likely it would just be another 3rd installment and no different the prior ones, but yet it is a sequel with two games. So I don't see anything out of the realm of possibility.

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Either way they should stick to Unova, and expand on it's size and storyline, I feel that if they added Hoenn(or even Kanto,or Sinnoh in that regard)it'll take away from it's role in the story.
I agree with the storyline and staying within the region as well as expanding and doing more within the already region BW is akin to. Depends at what point in the game they decide to have the player go to another region, because I don't see the starting point being in another region. Having it in Hoenn period would seem to take away from possible RS Remake, since you have already visited the region not to long ago in BW2 hypothetically.
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She MAY have been talking about the Johto Battle Tower as in Crystal, when you first pass by its closed for building and after you beat the E4 its open.

There is ALSO a bulding in Emerald just after Mauvile(?) (By the Winstrates' house) that is being built Pre Game and is open Post Game. I completely forget what that building is though.


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R/S/E is in the same story line as R/B/Y/FR/LG

In R/S/E Lanette makes references to Bill and updating his systems. In FR/LG Bill and his Friend from the Sevii Islands are working on connecting their system with Lanette's System in Hoen, a procedure that cannot happen from just one side. They worked together to open a link between Kanto and Hoen.

There were no references to them in B/W which is years after because other than 2 instances, Aqua/Magma were secretive and Behind the scenes, they also gave up at the critical point instead of pursuing their plans which keeps the secret buried under and known just to the Hero and the Teams themselves. Plus Wallace/Juan. I don't believe anyone else was involved....Oh right the couple from Mount Pyre.

As far as the citizens of Hoen know, Kyogre and Groudon simply awoke and their appearance threw things out of whack.

Rocket and Galactic were both well known through their regions, even varios NPCs that weren't part of the main story line would mention them.

When you think of Involvement,
Team Rocket were know thieves and thugs.
Aqua/Magma weren't really known. The people in Lavaridge most likely didn't even know someone was about to kill/blow up their volcano.
Galactic, thugs that stole and harassed the populace at times. Not to mention they blew up a lake.

The only times I recall Aqua/Magma making a huge statement was when they stole the submarine.
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She MAY have been talking about the Johto Battle Tower as in Crystal, when you first pass by its closed for building and after you beat the E4 its open.
She says something like this: "I used to live in place called Hoenn. Building like this was also there". So it's clearly about Hoenn's Battle Tower/Frontier.


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R/S/E is in the same story line as R/B/Y/FR/LG

In R/S/E Lanette makes references to Bill and updating his systems. In FR/LG Bill and his Friend from the Sevii Islands are working on connecting their system with Lanette's System in Hoen, a procedure that cannot happen from just one side. They worked together to open a link between Kanto and Hoen.

There were no references to them in B/W which is years after because other than 2 instances, Aqua/Magma were secretive and Behind the scenes, they also gave up at the critical point instead of pursuing their plans which keeps the secret buried under and known just to the Hero and the Teams themselves. Plus Wallace/Juan. I don't believe anyone else was involved....Oh right the couple from Mount Pyre.

As far as the citizens of Hoen know, Kyogre and Groudon simply awoke and their appearance threw things out of whack.

Rocket and Galactic were both well known through their regions, even varios NPCs that weren't part of the main story line would mention them.

When you think of Involvement,
Team Rocket were know thieves and thugs.
Aqua/Magma weren't really known. The people in Lavaridge most likely didn't even know someone was about to kill/blow up their volcano.
Galactic, thugs that stole and harassed the populace at times. Not to mention they blew up a lake.

The only times I recall Aqua/Magma making a huge statement was when they stole the submarine.
Lanette could be working before R/S/E storyline as well as Bill, so it's not proof that R/S/E storyline isn't in B/W timeline.

Aqua/Magma are widely known by people as much as Rocket and Galactic. They stole Devon Goods, attacked Oceanic Museum, Weather Institute, Space Center. All of that was done in presence of public. More of that, owner of motel in Lilycove says that people are scared to stay here because of Aqua/Magma staying in the city.

Lack of rumors about Aqua/Magma in B/W, after all bad things they did to public in R/S/E is indicating that R/S/E storyline hasn't happened yet in B/W.
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Lanette could be working before R/S/E storyline as well as Bill, so it's not proof that R/S/E storyline isn't in B/W timeline.
R/S/E aren't in B/W timeline, because B/W happens after Platinum and Platinum happens after R/S/E/FR/LG. It's not possible for those two to be together.

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