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Old March 26th, 2012 (08:37 AM). Edited March 26th, 2012 by wombateiro.
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R/S/E aren't in B/W timeline, because B/W happens after Platinum and Platinum happens after R/S/E/FR/LG. It's not possible for those two to be together.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world#Timeline
Bulbapedia always bases on current evidence, that's why it claims at this moment that 1 gen and 3 gen happen at the same time even though there is still nothing definitely confirming that. Their only "evidence" is that both 1 gen remakes and 3 gen are available in the same gen.
I'm sure that when R/S remakes will be released with some story references to B/W told by NPCs or maybe even B/W characters, they will edit that page, saying that gen 3 and 5 happen at the same time. It's like researching real History, some incorrect things considered as facts are being corrected by new researches. In this case, new researches must be understood as new games.

I speculate that after end of 5 gen all games timetable will be looking like this:

1) 1 gen - first because Master Ball is new invention in those games' storyline and in all later games it's already known thing.

2) 2 gen and 4 gen - can't say which of these two is first but they both are definitely after 1 gen because of Master Ball and before 3 and 5 gen because of rumors in B/W about Teams Rocket and Galactic being beaten.

3) 3 gen and 5 gen - last because we already know that 5 gen is last and imo linked to 3 gen because I think both Unova and Hoenn scientists are in charge of creating Dream World machine. I think in R/S remakes Devon's scientists will create that dream reading machine they are working on in R/S/E with help of Unova scientists and it should be the same thing we know from B/W (purpose of connecting R/S remakes to Dream World).
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According to the Pokemon Storage systems and a Letter sent to Lanette in the Japanese Games, Bill and Lanette were Co-Developers of the Storage System and the events of FR/LG's linking of Kanto to Hoenn was the predecessor to creating the Global Trade System.

Since GTS exists in Gens 2 (remakes) and 4 and not 1 and 3 although it was made in 1 and 3 (remakes).

Bill also updates Lanette's PC design with more features in FR/LG so Lanette's PC existed at the same time near the End story of FR/LG, and Bills Update is also added into Emerald putting Emerald at the same time as FR/LG as the update was made by Bill after Lanette "Edited" his system for her own region use.

So Lanette couldn't have edited 3+ years after if the storyline was flush with B/W if Bill took her edits and added to them right after.

As for Devon Corp's Dream Machine, its an odd coincidence just like the Girl in Red/Blue that describes Munna. If it means anything at all, then its the developers of the game went backwards to look for some ideas to recycle.

If you remember there was a scientist in Devon currently working on a way to revive Pokemon Fossils as well, it was their only working machine. Bulbapedia has that Devon Corp. was also the ones to Develop the system for Reviving Fossils, this later spread out to other regions (this could mean that Events of R/S/E can be before R/B/Y/G/FR/LG)

Now if you compare all the systems in Development:

Dream "VIEWING" Machine, a device made to simple View a Pokemon's Dream, (Munna's special ability after eating a dream, Darkrai also had a similar ability thanks to his Nightmare in the Movie when they were transfered to a different space)

While it is not the same as what Devon Corp envisioned, it is more than what they hinted at. Dream World (Dream Power in the Anime) has the ability to create Items/Pokemon encountered in the dreams (TR used the info from the Dream Yard after learning about Dream Energy to make a bomb that nearly destroys Castella).

The Second was the Pokemon Transformer: This is most likely a reference to Bill's faux pas with his teleporter when he and a Pokemon were crossed and Bill became a Pokemon. Its even designed much like Bill's Teleporter.

Third is the only one with no actual reference Game or Anime wise, the Pokemon Translator used to translate what a Pokemon says.
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So if that's the case I just rather see Hoenn in B/W 2 then having a R/S remake. One of the reasons I loved HG/Ss was that it showed how it was the same Time period as Pt.
I don't want to play a remake that's set in the pass.
Of course game freak can just make R/S the same time as BW, with really the storage system being the biggest thing that throws it out of wack who cares,
And it is a remake , instead of just the game they could remake the history
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Quote originally posted by MrGriszell:
So if that's the case I just rather see Hoenn in B/W 2 then having a R/S remake. One of the reasons I loved HG/Ss was that it showed how it was the same Time period as Pt.
I don't want to play a remake that's set in the pass.
Of course game freak can just make R/S the same time as BW, with really the storage system being the biggest thing that throws it out of wack who cares,
And it is a remake , instead of just the game they could remake the history
http://pokemonfigure.blogspot.com/2012/03/denied-hoenn-region-in-b2w2.html

We won't be going to Hoenn. I didn't even need this link to prove anything because it should seem fairly obvious that we wouldn't be going to Hoenn because it would be a stupid marketing technique, but for some people common sense isn't enough proof.

Anyways, I can see a Sevii Islands type sub-region but probably not a full fledged region.
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Quote originally posted by crystalzapdos:
http://pokemonfigure.blogspot.com/2012/03/denied-hoenn-region-in-b2w2.html

We won't be going to Hoenn. I didn't even need this link to prove anything because it should seem fairly obvious that we wouldn't be going to Hoenn because it would be a stupid marketing technique, but for some people common sense isn't enough proof.

Anyways, I can see a Sevii Islands type sub-region but probably not a full fledged region.
Lol way to sound like a tool

People thought it was common sense that the third game would be called grey , but if the link you posted is legit then it's said and done.
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I'm trying to prove that Unova and Hoenn storylines happen at the same time but it looks like many people will never believe that anyway because of current lack of official proofs. But look at it this way - it would be against common sense to make R/S remakes storyline unrelated to Unova storyline, because they all should be in the same gen. Correct me if I'm wrong but I guess that 3 gen storyline before FR/LG release was considered to be after gen 1 and 2. Point of view at games' timeline changed after some references to Hoenn in FR/LG. So it looks like that point of view will change again after some references to Unova in R/S remakes.

It's the same like people were saying that B/W "third version" will be for 3DS and didn't believe in theory that it should be still for DS. That was obviously against common sense because it's nonsense to make B/W "third version" for completely different system after all that work to make B/W for DS. Now I see that the only way to convince people to believe in common sense theories is official announcement.


Bill obviously had to make some references to Lanette's system to technically link FR/LG with R/S/E. It doesn't mean that it happened during R/S/E storyline because Lanette was working before R/S/E storyline.



Are you seriously saying that a little game design modification introduced in FR/LG and transfered to Emerald has something to do with R/S/E storyline? To be honest, it has nothing to do with R/S/E storyline.

As for Devon's researches:



So it looks like Devon's fossil reviving machine wasn't original one. In fact it's unknown which one is original because they all has been developed independently. Scientist in FR/LG says that it's "his machine", so he built it himself.




It looks like in R/S remakes Devon will make Dream World machine with help of Unova scientists, making a proof that both Unova and Hoenn are last in all games' timeline because Dream World is high-tech device which will be available only in those regions.
I completely agree with you on this, there gonna take place in the same timeline.
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Okay...so about this new region, I've been thinking that since Kyurem's half of Unova (in BW) is the Western half they could show the rest of the island that Nuvema, Lacunosa, ect. are on. They could also show more of Anville town's surroundings, as I was playing Bw it looked like you could explore the area (only the train is blocking it) they could have the player journey around there and acess routes that were previously blocked.
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Quote originally posted by wombateiro:
I'm trying to prove that Unova and Hoenn storylines happen at the same time but it looks like many people will never believe that anyway because of current lack of official proofs. But look at it this way - it would be against common sense to make R/S remakes storyline unrelated to Unova storyline, because they all should be in the same gen. Correct me if I'm wrong but I guess that 3 gen storyline before FR/LG release was considered to be after gen 1 and 2. Point of view at games' timeline changed after some references to Hoenn in FR/LG. So it looks like that point of view will change again after some references to Unova in R/S remakes.

It's the same like people were saying that B/W "third version" will be for 3DS and didn't believe in theory that it should be still for DS. That was obviously against common sense because it's nonsense to make B/W "third version" for completely different system after all that work to make B/W for DS. Now I see that the only way to convince people to believe in common sense theories is official announcement.


Bill obviously had to make some references to Lanette's system to technically link FR/LG with R/S/E. It doesn't mean that it happened during R/S/E storyline because Lanette was working before R/S/E storyline.



Are you seriously saying that a little game design modification introduced in FR/LG and transfered to Emerald has something to do with R/S/E storyline? To be honest, it has nothing to do with R/S/E storyline.

As for Devon's researches:



So it looks like Devon's fossil reviving machine wasn't original one. In fact it's unknown which one is original because they all has been developed independently. Scientist in FR/LG says that it's "his machine", so he built it himself.




It looks like in R/S remakes Devon will make Dream World machine with help of Unova scientists, making a proof that both Unova and Hoenn are last in all games' timeline because Dream World is high-tech device which will be available only in those regions.
Honestly you cannot prove or disprove any relation between regions other than Kanto and Johto's stories because those are the only two with defined time lines.

For the Upgrade feature, I honestly can't remember if you keep normal features until Bill upgrades it later in the story or not, and depending on if so, then that does put the mechanic's creation as part of the physical story.

As for WHEN they created it, you cannot put an actual time on when the system was made. Even if it was made before the game, Lanette AND Bill created the PC system itself, not just individual systems. Lanette made her's more user friendly. Canonly, both were created around the same time by the same two people.

As for Common Sense, that only ever applies to something generally accepted by society as a whole. Crossing a busy street, common sense you'd get hit by a car. Common sense does not apply when extreme outside factors are added, Take someone from the remote parts of Africa where no technology exists and throw them into Japan, watch hilarity ensue. The person will do everything wrong if not kill many people thanks to the example chosen.

A less extreme example, Rich vs Poor, there are things a Rich person will be expected to know that poor people don't. Something commonly used in rags to riches movies, the poorer person lacks the common sense of a rich person.

Common sense cannot be applied to this discussion due to exteme factors such as Generation separation, Game Creation, General story confliction, and other things. No one would have ever said Gen 3 games were at the same time as Gen 1 if the Gen 1 wasn't remade for GBA and Gen 2 remade and referenced with time matches with Gen 4.

Though after looking at Steven's Bulbapedia page, he references Losing to Brendan/May when talking to your character outside of the Pokemon Fan Club when he is searching for the Latis'. There is a non-offical time placement depending on if you think he is really talking about Brendan/May.


An addition or expansion to Unova's region would be welcomed by myself though. I kinda want to see a new area open up where, as Cynthia says, all the current Champions meet and give you a chance to battle them.

/until the game info is out, even i am not rulling out the possibility of another older region being added on. We've been trolled and mislead before.
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Quote originally posted by wombateiro:
We're getting too much off-topic here.
No kidding.

Anyways, I think it'd be nice to see another cameo of another region like how it was possible to visit Johto in rijonAdventures. Not necessarily an entire region like in the second generation games, but even just a small section of any region would be nice.
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Quote originally posted by wombateiro:
I replied to this on R/S remakes thread. We're getting too much off-topic here.
Is there a page number? ( even tho you could of easily stated it again but what ever)

All I really want them to do is expand unova , if we get another place that would be cool
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Depending on how different the story is from B/W, I think we'll see some new areas around Unova. But since there's no information about the story at this point, I'm not sure what to expect. Though I don't think we'll see an entire region introduced because each generation has a region it is associated with.
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They could also show more of Anville town's surroundings, as I was playing Bw it looked like you could explore the area (only the train is blocking it) they could have the player journey around there and acess routes that were previously blocked.
Anville will probably give access to new sub-region because it has railways not used in B/W. Not used or blocked railways, roads, bridges, etc are very commonly used in many games to give access to new areas. It's standard in games developing. I think Anville's railways will play key role in connection with new sub-region, kinda like there is railway between Johto and Kanto.
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I am very sure that Anville will get expanded.

I was confused at first when they added it, because it seems like a completely unnecessary throwaway town, with absolutely no interesting features, and only usable by rail.

Then I realized, oh, duh, of course it'll get expanded in the third game. But how much, I'm not sure. Maybe they'll have a few bonus buildings there, like the Pokethlon. Maybe there will be a few routes with tougher trainers and different wild pokemon. Maybe it'll be a whole new region.

Or (pipe dream of mine) Anville will link to all the other older regions! But we all know that's not happening...
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So now CoroCoro is teasing by asking if the game is gonna actually be in Unova at all, which opens up the doors for possibilities.

I honestly don't think that we will be seeing a brand new region, but a region that were familiar with already, or they may have you travel around to different parts or islands battling different gym leaders, I don't know really but its interesting that they would tease the region, starters and gym leaders as being different.
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Hey guys,

Seeing as how Game Freak has been making remakes of the previous generation, would do want them to include the Hoenn region in B2/W2 (like how it is in 2nd gen/using a ship system to travel between both regions), would you want them to make R/S remakes after a year of B2/W2 being released, or neither (end of remakes)?

Just made this topic to see people's opinions and I personally think it'd be cool if they do have Hoenn in B2/W2.
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Hey guys,

Seeing as how Game Freak has been making remakes of the previous generation, would do want them to include the Hoenn region in B2/W2 (like how it is in 2nd gen/using a ship system to travel between both regions), would you want them to make R/S remakes after a year of B2/W2 being released, or neither (end of remakes)?

Just made this topic to see people's opinions and I personally think it'd be cool if they do have Hoenn in B2/W2.
I'm okay with Hoenn being in BW2 as long as we still get a remake. I want to actually play through the game again. I don't care about getting Hoenn pokemon. I actually enjoyed Hoenn's story.
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I'd rather not see Hoenn at all. Getting through all that water back in RSE was a horrifying torture I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

But it definitely needs to stay the heck out of B2/W2. Those of us who want to play B2/W2 but don't want to suffer through Hoenn shouldn't have to choose between not buying the games at all and having to suffer through a region they don't like.

Plus tree house cities are fail.
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I'm okay with Hoenn being in BW2 as long as we still get a remake. I want to actually play through the game again. I don't care about getting Hoenn pokemon. I actually enjoyed Hoenn's story.
Hey, good to see ya. I liked Hoenn's story as well as the areas (a lot of water/underwater, tropical areas, desert, etc.) and a lot of the Pokemon/Legendary Pokemon.


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I'd rather not see Hoenn at all. Getting through all that water back in RSE was a horrifying torture I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

But it definitely needs to stay the heck out of B2/W2. Those of us who want to play B2/W2 but don't want to suffer through Hoenn shouldn't have to choose between not buying the games at all and having to suffer through a region they don't like.

Plus tree house cities are fail.
I didn't mind the tree house city because it was fresh/unique. I loved the idea of secret bases though.
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OMG!! I can't believe there's still people thinking that Hoenn will be in B2W2, it's already conformed that it wont!
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I wouldn't like it to be in B2W2 then it wouldn't be entitled to R/S remakes IMO, also I don't see where it can fit in based on what we've discovered, there is no mention of Hoenn and with all these new cities and frozen over Unova I think that is where these games are going to be based around. Assuming Gen 6 is coming 2014 then there's still plenty of room for remakes whether that be at the end of this year or some time in 2013, they would make more money that way and that's how Nintendo like to play.
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But it definitely needs to stay the heck out of B2/W2. Those of us who want to play B2/W2 but don't want to suffer through Hoenn shouldn't have to choose between not buying the games at all and having to suffer through a region they don't like.
I feel the same way, not that I don't like Hoenn as much as that I just love Unova. I want to get as much as possible of Unova while I still have it.

At the same time I feel like people who like Hoenn won't want it to be an add-on to a B/W because they want it to get its own attention and its own game. So I don't feel like they would want those over R/S remakes. So it's just bad all around.
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OMG!! I can't believe there's still people thinking that Hoenn will be in B2W2, it's already conformed that it wont!
Opps.. Lol, I never knew that they confirmed that it's not gonna happen, would've been cool though.
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Quote originally posted by Serene Suicune:
I didn't mind the tree house city because it was fresh/unique. I loved the idea of secret bases though.
That's one bit of uniqueness I could do without, lol. It always seemed to me like it was an idea that was conceived while someone was intoxicated.

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OMG!! I can't believe there's still people thinking that Hoenn will be in B2W2, it's already conformed that it wont!
I can't believe the idea was entertained in the first place. Including Hoenn would be just as random as including somewhere like Colleton County, South Carolina.

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I feel the same way, not that I don't like Hoenn as much as that I just love Unova. I want to get as much as possible of Unova while I still have it.

At the same time I feel like people who like Hoenn won't want it to be an add-on to a B/W because they want it to get its own attention and its own game. So I don't feel like they would want those over R/S remakes. So it's just bad all around.
I know of many people besides myself who prefer one region but not the other. Including both in one is a good way to make both sides angry.

Travelign through Hoenn was almost as bad as traveling on the New Jersey Turnpike. Almost.
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