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Old April 22nd, 2012, 08:59 AM
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I don't really see why him winning would automatically mean they have to start anew with a new trainer. The win could be a point where there is a point of no return and he keeps progressing with no renerfs, then they can introduce new characters and use him as a mentor role as well as a "master trainer."
Actually, winning would prove his development. It would mark his improvement from the first league he entered, where he lost because he couldn't get his Charizard to listen to him. His development is very minimal, but it's still there. He can still battle and train; it's his brain that's a bit knocked up and he gets forgetful. So winning is clear progression and marks Ash's 'maturity' in a sense, or at least as a trainer. And I just realized that pretty much agreed with your point.

However, I'd imagine Champions have other duties, though they could still travel. Unless they have a filler arc with Ash training some kid, I think it's safe to say that they'll stick with the old formula and keep a journey thing going on. That's probably the best way to spotlight new Pokemon and new Gyms, with Ash not really going to battle them since he'd be stuck in Unova. At least, that's just how I see Champions. I mean, you wouldn't expect to see Cynthia in Kanto, do you?

Odds are, they'd do the same to a new protagonist, but at least their personality would be different with a different cast. There's only so much Pikachu I can take, anyway. Hopefully, though, the writers might have learned a thing or two by now and decided to actually put in development, which might in turn start a trend where they start with a new protagonist every region and with that comes character development, etc. Hell, Jimmy from Raikou: Legend of Thunder! was an interesting character, even though he didn't have much development and I'd still prefer to watch him than Ash.
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Old April 25th, 2012, 07:37 PM
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Actually, winning would prove his development. It would mark his improvement from the first league he entered, where he lost because he couldn't get his Charizard to listen to him. His development is very minimal, but it's still there. He can still battle and train; it's his brain that's a bit knocked up and he gets forgetful. So winning is clear progression and marks Ash's 'maturity' in a sense, or at least as a trainer. And I just realized that pretty much agreed with your point.
He assuredly developes no doubt about that since he has had gradual improvement in every league he has entered in and he has grown as a trainer getting his pokemon to listen. What I was trying to get out is yes this is a clear sign, but what will the writers do with this moment? Will they make him a noob once again, will they set him on a path to being a world champ(if they have that), will he compete in Champions Leagues? The road for his future seems unclear but the progression he has made is definitely not.

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However, I'd imagine Champions have other duties, though they could still travel. Unless they have a filler arc with Ash training some kid, I think it's safe to say that they'll stick with the old formula and keep a journey thing going on. That's probably the best way to spotlight new Pokemon and new Gyms, with Ash not really going to battle them since he'd be stuck in Unova. At least, that's just how I see Champions. Imean, you wouldn't expect to see Cynthia in Kanto, do you?
They will definitely stick with the old formula since it has proved marketable in the past, and as definitely a great way to showcase the new region and pokemon in it. But I would like too see them throw a wrench into it like they did with the games and change things up a bit. I think Conference Champion and Regional Champ differ a bit. From what I understand the Conference Champ has earned the right to face the Elite 4, but isn't apart of the Elite 4. That means they are not bound to the duties of the Pokemon League of that region if that is the case. And Champions travel all the time in games and anime. Look at Lance he is part of the Pokemon G Men traveling to Hoenn and I am sure other places on top of traveling abroad in Johto. Cynthia travels a multitude of places in the game such as Johto and Unova outside of Sinnoh. So it's not like the Champions are stationary they just have the option to move around. Now if Ash took a Frontier Brain position then that may have actually be a bit travel restrictive though, but winning the conference doesn't really seem that way too me.

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Odds are, they'd do the same to a new protagonist, but at least their personality would be different with a different cast. There's only so much Pikachu I can take, anyway. Hopefully, though, the writers might have learned a thing or two by now and decided to actually put in development, which might in turn start a trend where they start with a new protagonist every region and with that comes character development, etc. Hell, Jimmy from Raikou: Legend of Thunder! was an interesting character, even though he didn't have much development and I'd still prefer to watch him than Ash.
I am sure they would knowing they have done it for the past 14 years. No Pikachu would be great, I think that's the best fanservice a repeat watcher could get. I would have loved what you suggested, but are they willing to implement it is the real concern and question. Honestly though at this point I think they could gamble with a new style or two shows(they probably have enough staff for two) that they run the same generic wash rinse and repeat stuff then they show a new type with new protagonists and new fresh story lines each generation.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 02:58 AM
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Think about it:
He was in the top-16 in the Johto League
He was in the top-8 in the Hoenn League.
He was in the top-4 in the Sinnoh League, which he could have won if that overpowered guy wasn't there.
I assume the will be in the finals in the Unova League and will win the next league in the next generation.
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As long as Cilan is in the generation 6 series I'm okay with it.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 02:20 PM
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I'd rather have Brock back, but I think it's ok if they keep Cilan.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 04:53 AM
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ash loses the league then the show focuses on ash and the others taking on team plasma n and ghetsis

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