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Old May 18th, 2012 (10:57 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Yoshikkko:
And I agree on that the server can be "sexual" sometimes, but those are jokes, all the regulars are comfortable with it (and heck if they aren't, they just ignore it) and they are hardly ever explicit to the point where it's unwelcoming or unsettling, and it's not even often, it really shouldn't be a big deal. Everything can't always be a bed of roses. I don't think people there should have to conform to other people's standards, just because they aren't tough-skinned enough. Imo, if you are new somewhere, you should adapt to the environment there, and not the other way around, and if you can't/don't want to then it's just not the place for you.
and hey hey hold up no one is even ""threatening"" newcomers
It's not so much that the server is too explicit but rather that it simply isn't fun when all you hear is something about Nica being flat-chested. How many of those remarks does it take before it's just really annoying? We were at that point months ago. And honestly, I think asking potential members to adapt ignores how...bizarre our chat is. And by bizarre I mean that sometimes it can be downright insufferable.

I think if we actually talk about Pokemon and even remotely relevant things, that expectation is more realistic. I think joking and all that is fine and really an integral part of the CBC experience but it doesn't have to be so mind-numbing in its immaturity.
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Old May 18th, 2012 (04:02 PM).
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It's not so much that the server is too explicit but rather that it simply isn't fun when all you hear is something about Nica being flat-chested. How many of those remarks does it take before it's just really annoying? We were at that point months ago. And honestly, I think asking potential members to adapt ignores how...bizarre our chat is. And by bizarre I mean that sometimes it can be downright insufferable.

I think if we actually talk about Pokemon and even remotely relevant things, that expectation is more realistic. I think joking and all that is fine and really an integral part of the CBC experience but it doesn't have to be so mind-numbing in its immaturity.
Well I'm not exactly involved in those jokes so I'm not gonna dwell on it too much, but there's "running gags" about almost every regular there (I'm sure I don't have to list them), it's not just those jokes about her and it's certainly not everyone doing it (as a matter of fact it's usually only two or three certain people), so that is not something about the server necessarily but more about them personally which should be worked on. One of the people who makes the chat "insufferable" is not even on PC anymore, it makes no sense for the most part to address that problem here, it should be discussed with them personally.

And tbh, you can't really tell people to talk about a certain subject more. If they're not talking about it it means that it does not interest them. Besides, people talk about Pokémon there pretty often anyway. All you can do is set a topic and hope that it catches on and if it doesn't, then it's sort of out of someone's league.

I'm still sticking to what I said about some places just not being suited for every single person, and you can't care for that either. You just can't make it comfortable for everyone. There's a select group of people that cannot handle the atmosphere the server has and well, why can't that just be how it is, why should we have to adjust for that while there are enough people that do find their place there? I'm agreeing on some people that could create a hostile environment but like I said, that should be worked on with them personally.
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Old May 18th, 2012 (07:10 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Yoshikkko:
Well I'm not exactly involved in those jokes so I'm not gonna dwell on it too much, but there's "running gags" about almost every regular there (I'm sure I don't have to list them), it's not just those jokes about her and it's certainly not everyone doing it (as a matter of fact it's usually only two or three certain people), so that is not something about the server necessarily but more about them personally which should be worked on. One of the people who makes the chat "insufferable" is not even on PC anymore, it makes no sense for the most part to address that problem here, it should be discussed with them personally.
I've definitely talked or have tried to talk with the people in question. Maybe one year or another it will pay dividends. It's really not as simple as you're making it out to be.

It's also probably good that this thread exists because we can get opinions from people who otherwise wouldn't be heard that much. Part of addressing a problem is finding out it exists, after all. Even if it is only limited to few people.

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And tbh, you can't really tell people to talk about a certain subject more. If they're not talking about it it means that it does not interest them. Besides, people talk about Pokémon there pretty often anyway. All you can do is set a topic and hope that it catches on and if it doesn't, then it's sort of out of someone's league.
I can't remember the last decent Pokemon discussion/topic we've had on the server. And by decent I mean "pertaining to competitive Pokemon in any way at all."

I get what you mean, but shouldn't a competitive Pokemon server have periodic Pokemon-related topics and fairly frequent battling? These are not radical suggestions. Honestly, the server was so much better when it was on-topic and still succeeded in being a casual hangout.

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I'm still sticking to what I said about some places just not being suited for every single person, and you can't care for that either. You just can't make it comfortable for everyone. There's a select group of people that cannot handle the atmosphere the server has and well, why can't that just be how it is, why should we have to adjust for that while there are enough people that do find their place there? I'm agreeing on some people that could create a hostile environment but like I said, that should be worked on with them personally.
I mean, you're right in that CBC just isn't a good fit for everyone. And that's fine. But really, is "tone it down with the sexual content" really that big of an adaptation? I would like to think I understand our culture as well as anyone and sex really is not a vital component of it...since it was entirely absent for about four years. So what's the big deal? A stand on principle does not seem applicable to this particular issue.
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@ not changing for others: Yeah... I think it needs to be done if it's just completely sexual and with not much else. What I'm about to say might sound crazy but it could bring about balance maybe. I feel like if that sort of discussion - if people really wanted it - could possibly go into another channel and for the main channel to be for its actual intended purpose. I don't know exactly how da and syndrome etc feel about cutting down/stopping all that, and if they weren't to exactly agree with it rather than just muting and banning - instead tell them to take it to another channel. With the other channels having barely any/no use (other than when the hentai channel existed for that short time) wouldn't now be a good time for that if we're aiming towards the main channel being for battling for the most part. idk though because it might take activity away from the main server with not too many people that willing to discuss battling (probably around 5-6 of us, and if there were newer people & later on in PC OU that'll probably rise), so probably not best for -right now-. However! I'm 99% sure there will be a lot of new people coming through in the next few months due to B2W2 and maybe consider doing that then to shift the server to be more battling related, while not completely saying to the regulars "stfu go away" so it's kinda like a balance? For now though if we all work on cutting that down and just trying to be more normal then the people that are coming here lately might want to stay and not disappear forever. :(

And on actually battling I know not necessarily everyone battles much but with the new PC OU and the rest of us having an interest in NU or something, I think it's time to just start battling and not saying "oh no later on in pc ou" or whatever. I know someone (but yet idk who!) mentioned community create a team, but I was thinking maybe like... sorta, donating your old teams to the newer players so they'll be more motivated to battle and learn through experience rather than make a team since sometimes team building turns people away and such. If there was like, something official listing all the "donated" teams (for multiple tiers) then new users can actually learn from our userbase, rather than just copy/paste directly from Smogon's, further emphasizing that CBC is its own community. idk that might further make people want to battle, buuut yeah.
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@ not changing for others: Yeah... I think it needs to be done if it's just completely sexual and with not much else. What I'm about to say might sound crazy but it could bring about balance maybe. I feel like if that sort of discussion - if people really wanted it - could possibly go into another channel and for the main channel to be for its actual intended purpose. I don't know exactly how da and syndrome etc feel about cutting down/stopping all that, and if they weren't to exactly agree with it rather than just muting and banning - instead tell them to take it to another channel. With the other channels having barely any/no use (other than when the hentai channel existed for that short time) wouldn't now be a good time for that if we're aiming towards the main channel being for battling for the most part. idk though because it might take activity away from the main server with not too many people that willing to discuss battling (probably around 5-6 of us, and if there were newer people & later on in PC OU that'll probably rise), so probably not best for -right now-. However! I'm 99% sure there will be a lot of new people coming through in the next few months due to B2W2 and maybe consider doing that then to shift the server to be more battling related, while not completely saying to the regulars "stfu go away" so it's kinda like a balance? For now though if we all work on cutting that down and just trying to be more normal then the people that are coming here lately might want to stay and not disappear forever. :(
Well I had such a channel for a while until u guys wanted to eradicate it lol
I understand why you'd think that'd be a good idea but all it's gonna do is encourage people to talk about it even more, and take away activity from the main channel. We're talking about sexual jokes and comments, not about a whole conversation (hardly ever, at least), which should just be toned down a bit. Also, if people want to disappear they want to disappear. People come and go, and randoms aren't exactly the contribution you are looking for anyway, tbh.

And about battling - personally I quit for a while because it's exam time atm, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm just gonna go ahead and guess that the activity will rise again when school's over, obviously.
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@Nica: I would rather people just stop commenting on your boobs constantly. We really shouldn't have to adapt to something that is so unnecessary and has long since lost whatever comedic edge it originally might have had.
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@Nica: I would rather people just stop commenting on your boobs constantly. We really shouldn't have to adapt to something that is so unnecessary and has long since lost whatever comedic edge it originally might have had.
I agree. Heck, it's more then likely that they wouldn't even go to the other chat just to be able to speak freely.

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And on actually battling I know not necessarily everyone battles much but with the new PC OU and the rest of us having an interest in NU or something, I think it's time to just start battling and not saying "oh no later on in pc ou" or whatever. I know someone (but yet idk who!) mentioned community create a team
Community create a team is fun when you pit two teams against each other, each making their owns teams and such and then having a designated battler from each side duke it out to see which side's team is better.

Streaming on Livestream while creating a team with the community watching and contributing to the team, laddering on other servers and seeing how well it does is fun.

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but I was thinking maybe like... sorta, donating your old teams to the newer players so they'll be more motivated to battle and learn through experience rather than make a team since sometimes team building turns people away and such.
Like a team archive sort of thing? I think it would be cool if we had kind of cookie-cutter teams to start out with for different tiers and a guide for the tiers we will be specializing in. Kinda like starter decks for an RPG and he rulebooks that come along with them.
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Saying that here is not gonna do anything though, we all know well that that is just childish and needs to stop. People complain about it but without talking to the ones who actually do it, it's not gonna stop. Heck just threaten with a temporary ban as a warning, when it happens again, instead of just pointing it out everywhere while SYNDROME isn't even here lmao.
I really have no idea why you're so adamant about this when this thread isn't even about enforcing problems but identifying them, and even though you said "everyone knows it's childish and needs to stop," weren't you just recently advocating for not changing anything at all...? I'm actually confused as to what the big deal is when saying something about it here and talking privately with people are not mutually exclusive events and how it is enforced isn't really all that relevant to this thread...is it?

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Time to add my two cents.

I was active in CBC in 2010/early '11. Old days, but back then I could only find OU battles. No one wanted to play lower tiers and that was pretty sad. It remains like this now.

Now, I mainly play doubles, VGC rules and the only people that know a bit about it are those in Trade Corner. People just plau OU here and that's all there are other tiers, other metagames definitely worth to play. Especially when in Western Europe and US you can play Regionals and/or Nationals.

I hate seeing a nicknamed Jirachi in Master Ball. OK, I don't mind hacks in casual play, but if there's tourney there should be no hacks. If you CBA to RNG, use pokecheck instead. That was the main reason why I quit my CBC adventure. Also, I think that people should inform they use legal hacks, but they don't.

These are things I don't like. Now time for my improvement suggestions:

Weekly events, for example: Saturday Night Battles. It could be either WiFi or PO, people just gather at idk, let's say 6PM and battle till they bleed It could be more than once a week, with different metagames featured on each day (Friday OU, Saturday VGC and so on)

Promoting lower tiers and other metagames, especially VGC, because it can make you participate in real life competitions. Who of you wouldn't like to be Regional/National/World Champion?

Mentor/Mentee program to help newbies.

Some random cool stuff that would build a strong community of competitive players, like PC's Battle Frontier/Pokemon League. Official team raters, because When I see Lax nature in people's RMT topics I wanna cry. Official name raters - because, why not? Nicknames are really cool thing when it comes to battling. I really like to see an opponents Pokemon and think "Oh, I see what you did there!". Some people could rate them in a sarcastic way, some could just praise them. I can't see any social stuff here other than clans with almost no users and weird tl;dr rules and point system.

Also, some kind of teamwork with TC would be neat. Hello? They produce legal, fully capable fighters and some of them do it for free!

that's pretty much all, peace 'n' love!
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Old May 20th, 2012 (04:00 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Anti:
@Nica: I would rather people just stop commenting on your boobs constantly. We really shouldn't have to adapt to something that is so unnecessary and has long since lost whatever comedic edge it originally might have had.
Well no, luckily it's... been toned down in the last few days though, no clue why. :x Just sometimes it does get more than the boobs and that just has no point tbh.

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Like a team archive sort of thing? I think it would be cool if we had kind of cookie-cutter teams to start out with for different tiers and a guide for the tiers we will be specializing in. Kinda like starter decks for an RPG and he rulebooks that come along with them.
Yeaah that'd be pretty awesome if that happened and I'm sure we have enough who would be willing.

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Now, I mainly play doubles, VGC rules and the only people that know a bit about it are those in Trade Corner. People just plau OU here and that's all there are other tiers, other metagames definitely worth to play. Especially when in Western Europe and US you can play Regionals and/or Nationals.

I hate seeing a nicknamed Jirachi in Master Ball. OK, I don't mind hacks in casual play, but if there's tourney there should be no hacks. If you CBA to RNG, use pokecheck instead. That was the main reason why I quit my CBC adventure. Also, I think that people should inform they use legal hacks, but they don't.

These are things I don't like. Now time for my improvement suggestions:

Weekly events, for example: Saturday Night Battles. It could be either WiFi or PO, people just gather at idk, let's say 6PM and battle till they bleed :) It could be more than once a week, with different metagames featured on each day (Friday OU, Saturday VGC and so on)

Mentor/Mentee program to help newbies.

Some random cool stuff that would build a strong community of competitive players, like PC's Battle Frontier/Pokemon League. Official team raters, because When I see Lax nature in people's RMT topics I wanna cry. Official name raters - because, why not? Nicknames are really cool thing when it comes to battling. I really like to see an opponents Pokemon and think "Oh, I see what you did there!". Some people could rate them in a sarcastic way, some could just praise them. I can't see any social stuff here other than clans with almost no users and weird tl;dr rules and point system.

Also, some kind of teamwork with TC would be neat. Hello? They produce legal, fully capable fighters and some of them do it for free!

that's pretty much all, peace 'n' love!
Well, the other recent thread @ somewhere in CBC is about like promoting playing in other tiers as the main tiers (although basically most of the not-completely-forum side is sticking to nu lately). :( But yeah, I think it's from a lack of knowledge that we don't really play. I'd have no clue how to play the other stuff and it'd take me a bit to get adjusted to it, but maybe if there was PC's own guides for the other tiers (like you doubles players could maybe put together) then I'd be more willing tbh.

As for hacks... there's a rule against hacks unless both players agree (iirc at the last part), so if that happened it really shouldn't have and kinda shouldn't stop you from spending time here if it's not even allowed. XD;

Well maybe once the community is expanded or just more people here care, because the issue is not many people battle currently.

Well tutoring was failed here apparently before, and imo I think if we all collectively just help out the new people (and for those of us in NU/W's mentoring program to just get the people involved here then the rest is done by the group) then that might be good enough and seems to be working rn at least.

Other leagues are intended to occur someday, so ya. On team raters, well, there is the whole thing about "don't rate without knowledge" so having designated team raters kinda isn't that much of a use since it's only a few of us that do rate in the first place. XD; Besides as a community I think it's fairer if everyone rates rather than just four or five people who are allowed to, which generally seems kinda elitist when others can just correct your rate. As for name raters idk, seems like something that should fit into PGC imo, since technically that crosses into TC territory.

Also I like the idea of teamwork w/ TC.
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I agree. Heck, it's more then likely that they wouldn't even go to the other chat just to be able to speak freely.



Community create a team is fun when you pit two teams against each other, each making their owns teams and such and then having a designated battler from each side duke it out to see which side's team is better.

Streaming on Livestream while creating a team with the community watching and contributing to the team, laddering on other servers and seeing how well it does is fun.



Like a team archive sort of thing? I think it would be cool if we had kind of cookie-cutter teams to start out with for different tiers and a guide for the tiers we will be specializing in. Kinda like starter decks for an RPG and he rulebooks that come along with them.
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Old May 21st, 2012 (10:55 AM). Edited May 21st, 2012 by wolf.
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To quote Elf (and likely everyone else), "no one cares about T&E." Since this is likely not to happen anymore, there's no point in keeping it secret (or even before)... I hinted at this before that I wanted to make CBC more battle oriented. To do this, Anti and I thought of reorganizing CBC and changing the focus of the forum. I wanted the forum to be more about battling than rating, because after all this is a battling forum (in name only I guess?). Not only that, but I wanted members to enjoy being active in CBC, whereas currently being a regular is arguably a chore to do for most (rating teams). Basically, battling and posting in discussions would become the core of the forum, unlike right now (RMTs + discussion). This would require ordering the forum differently:

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Competitive Battling Center (main forum)
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It would be a switcheroo, if you will. I figured regulars would enjoy being active in that type of forum more than current CBC (that is, regulars that like to battle...). I know I would. With that said, it wouldn't be progress for the sake of progress. However, before doing this Anti and I agreed to give the current system (RMTs + discussion) another chance, as seen here (one of the reasons why that post was mad). Nothing significant happened after that obviously. We also agreed to try and get T&E active, to assure Anti's fear of the main forum being only one page long and for this to be worth it. That hasn't failed completely I guess, but even Community Night failed, which is one of the most sure-fire events (in my opinion, Anti lol). But even that failed, and no one has ever displayed much interest in T&E to begin with.

I have more reasons, but I wanted to keep this short and sweet. (I also didn't want to read through all those tl;dr arguments with Anti, hehe.) Like I said, I don't really see the point in keeping this private anymore. We need regulars' support for this to be successful, but I highly doubt T&E will become active regardless sadly.

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This is also very true, and one of the reasons why I don't think the switcheroo will work now.
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I'm all for doing a soft ban on sex jokes, enforcing the "respect each other" rule, and just being stricter in general.

As for "I need a mod partner." I agree with Vrai completely; CBC is a community effort. There's a reason why we have these types of threads, in addition to the Improvement thread. I made them so that the community could be more involved. Staff ranking doesn't matter in CBC for the most part; anyone can help with the forum and offer new ideas. Also, whenever a user is given CBC moderator status, they eventually lose motivation (see: Aura, Elf, Anti, and I). I think we're better off with one moderator because of that.
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Ok sooo like gonna bump this mother up a bit.

What happened, like comm night was a success and then we like died and then has been no one on the server bar random brazilian's in like a week ? Ive been busy as hell the last week with work but i should be a little more free now.

PC OU ladder play still needs pushing. I still dont know how to do this though (would welcome ideas for it to be pushed, maybe give an arbitrary time period for the end of our first suspect test and give emblems for ladder positions at the end of said period? Idk man lol), the discussion thread just died after my last post.
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Ok sooo like gonna bump this mother up a bit.

What happened, like comm night was a success and then we like died and then has been no one on the server bar random brazilian's in like a week ? Ive been busy as hell the last week with work but i should be a little more free now.

PC OU ladder play still needs pushing. I still dont know how to do this though (would welcome ideas for it to be pushed, maybe give an arbitrary time period for the end of our first suspect test and give emblems for ladder positions at the end of said period? Idk man lol), the discussion thread just died after my last post.
I've been on but like, not really when many others were on since storms etc, and idek, I've been trying to battle since I actually was interested in the tourney but it's like nobody else seems to care which is quite annoying.

I think it's just that we're used to right-click challenge and that not many of us are on at the time for laddering, so maybe just get into that habit. But yeah that idea could also work.
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I've just been taking a break from PC after the activity dipped. I was pretty disappointed when no one bothered to partake in the PC Tour; it seems like no one has any motivation to battle. There wasn't very much enthusiasm during the Community Night either. Also, I don't think emblems will help, because they didn't encourage anyone to use the ladder in the first place. I even offered server authority for anyone that wins in the PC Tour, but that didn't help at all. I'm not sure if we should need incentives for people to battle. Battling should be something we want to do, and I can't do anything with the forum if no one wants to battle.

Edit: Like I said before, I can make it so that battles initiated via challenge will be counted towards the ladder rankings. Basically, all battles done on the server will be considered ladder battles after that.
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I want to battle and i think that we should tally up the people who want to still be a part of CBC and make a league for everyone who still wants to be a part of it. I think the league should have some creativity like instead of just battling a gym leader we should make it kinda a role play too where you beat so manmy trainers and you you move up a town so when you beat so many trainers and meet certain requirments you may battle a leader. also assigning gym leaders forever probably won't work. I think we should set up intial gym leaders but then determine latter gym leaders by skill, activity, and the effort put into the league. I think there should also be two differnt leagues of the same thing, one for Gen IV and one for Gen V. I personally can't host this yet because i know next to nothing on competetive battling and i also havn't beat my HG yet. But i would start it otherwise. If anybody likes this idea or has feedback speak up because we need more competetive battlers.
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A league sounds cool; it could be like one big clan. I don't think the multiple trainers idea would work though, because we don't have much members to begin with. We would be lucky enough to fill up the gym leader spots. We could try something similar however.

Going back to mentioning clans, we could try a league that's a compilation of multiple clans/teams. Basically, we would have small teams within the league that have competitions amongst each other. The focus of the league would still be the usual "challengers fight the gym leaders," etc. The clan concept would be just another thing we could do with the league.

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Edit: Like I said before, I can make it so that battles initiated via challenge will be counted towards the ladder rankings. Basically, all battles done on the server will be considered ladder battles after that.
This was just implemented, so it removes the need for the "Find Battle" button. (I'd still like for people to use that though.)

Also, I had an idea regarding PC OU. We could have a team building competition and see who can make the best team using <insertpokemon>, similar to "Research Week" at Smogon. We can focus on Pokémon that have been unbanned, like Deoxys-A for example. This would be a good way to test the "broken" Pokémon too.
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I have been told about the idea of taking down the server, and essentially starting over. It seems like an interesting idea, considering it would put more focus on the forum and Pokémon discussion in general. Not to mention it's hard to look past the fact that the forum's activity has been declining ever since the server was created. (Forum activity was at its peak during '07, then the server was made in '08, and activity has been waning ever since.) Perhaps we're going about using the forum/server the wrong way, that we're trying to be another Smogon with an active battling server, and it's too ambitious for a small community such as this. The community could be more successful if discussion was thriving in the forum. Having both the forum and server around is like having two forums, and we're trying to keep both active at the same time which always fails. CBC has always been more about the server and random off-topic discussion than about Pokémon battling. With the server gone, off-topic talk won't exist and the community will be about battling for once. It's something we might as well try since nothing is really happening at the moment. Just some food for thought.
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I am totally against this "idea". Namely because past "starting over" haven't worked out in the slightest (see: renaming S+M CBC and getting a new forum). It will also be detrimental to our battling community as the server is essentially the only reason im even here anymore, for friends, if you will and on the server i can talk with them better. Having a server also brings that "community closeness" in my opinion that we had in 07/08 (not as much but its still there). I personally dont want to be forced to go on other community servers to battle and i think i speak for everyone else when i say that too. Another point i would like to make is WHO GIVES A FLYING F- DAMN IF WE DONT TAlK ABOUT POKEMON 100% OF THE TIME ? Really, that is a pathetic argument. I dont want to talk about Pokemon 24/7 either, sometimes its refreshing to put other topics into the conversation. Besides battling has been picking up the last few days anyway, even Syndrome has been battling again. Speaking of Syndrome, if you remove the server that is a regular member you lose straight away as he is banned on the forum. Personally i dont think this has been thought through, AT ALL. We shouldn't be looking at the server or the forum for why we are inactive. We should be looking at ourselves, why aren't regs rating/battling/posting teams ? Ill let you guys figure that out. .____. Thats the root of the problem imo. I mean why would i post? No motivation thats why, sure "oh you shouldnt need to be motivated", probably not but it would help if there was at least SOMETHING to reward posting because its essentially a chore these days. If you want an active server we can always merge with another forums, taking it down is just dumb imo.

edit: ive also been hearing silly reasons as to why people dont battle also see;

"i dont care about pc anymore"
"i dont want to lose to D_A"
"People take battling too seriously"

shouldnt we be addressing those ?
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Having a server also brings that "community closeness" in my opinion that we had in 07/08 (not as much but its still there).
I would argue that this hasn't happened at all. At least not for me.

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Another point i would like to make is WHO GIVES A FLYING F- DAMN IF WE DONT TAlK ABOUT POKEMON 100% OF THE TIME ? Really, that is a pathetic argument. I dont want to talk about Pokemon 24/7 either, sometimes its refreshing to put other topics into the conversation.
It's not that we're not talking about Pokemon, it's that we're "in range" constantly.

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It will also be detrimental to our battling community as the server is essentially the only reason im even here anymore, for friends, if you will and on the server i can talk with them better.
This is all certainly true. I'm only here for friends too. But isn't that also a problem?
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I know this is kinda off topic with the PO stuff so feel free to ignore it till later, but I reckon it'd be cool to have some Summer battle fair going on during the holidays. Have lots of different tournaments and challenges to take part in; maybe have type restricted tournaments, move restricted tournaments, species restricted tournaments, etc, and people can earn points over the whole event for a table of winners or prizes or whatever? I dunno if this is something people would be interested in but it's an idea I've been thinking of bringing up for a while so yeah, any thoughts? :D
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Uhh not a fan of this. For one we wouldn't have PC OU, any laddering, any comm nights and only wifi battling (or using smogon for battles when we'd rather battle those in the community). While the first two mentioned haven't really happened - they can still be worked on and improved instead of removing the server. I also agree with not removing it because of syndrome as DA mentioned. And really if we're restricted to wifi that for the most part means most of us won't really be battling as much or at all. Not everyone has wifi, not everyone has the time to RNG perfect Pokemon or to get someone to do it for them and I feel like if people are forced to use smogon then really... How is that a community if we all need to find each other out of like 700 people? :( I just really think it'll lose the community aspect as DA said.
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Quote originally posted by Wolflare:
I have been told about the idea of taking down the server, and essentially starting over. It seems like an interesting idea, considering it would put more focus on the forum and Pokémon discussion in general. Not to mention it's hard to look past the fact that the forum's activity has been declining ever since the server was created. (Forum activity was at its peak during '07, then the server was made in '08, and activity has been waning ever since.) Perhaps we're going about using the forum/server the wrong way, that we're trying to be another Smogon with an active battling server, and it's too ambitious for a small community such as this. The community could be more successful if discussion was thriving in the forum. Having both the forum and server around is like having two forums, and we're trying to keep both active at the same time which always fails. CBC has always been more about the server and random off-topic discussion than about Pokémon battling. With the server gone, off-topic talk won't exist and the community will be about battling for once. It's something we might as well try since nothing is really happening at the moment. Just some food for thought.
I feel that this experiment sounds interesting, but I really just think it would be even staler as there'd be no place to hang out and there's no guarentee that we'd post in the forums. I do think its time to cultivate a new generation of regulars though.

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I am totally against this "idea". Namely because past "starting over" haven't worked out in the slightest (see: renaming S+M CBC and getting a new forum). It will also be detrimental to our battling community as the server is essentially the only reason im even here anymore, for friends, if you will and on the server i can talk with them better. Having a server also brings that "community closeness" in my opinion that we had in 07/08 (not as much but its still there). I personally dont want to be forced to go on other community servers to battle and i think i speak for everyone else when i say that too. Another point i would like to make is WHO GIVES A FLYING F- DAMN IF WE DONT TAlK ABOUT POKEMON 100% OF THE TIME ? Really, that is a pathetic argument. I dont want to talk about Pokemon 24/7 either, sometimes its refreshing to put other topics into the conversation. Besides battling has been picking up the last few days anyway, even Syndrome has been battling again. Speaking of Syndrome, if you remove the server that is a regular member you lose straight away as he is banned on the forum. Personally i dont think this has been thought through, AT ALL. We shouldn't be looking at the server or the forum for why we are inactive. We should be looking at ourselves, why aren't regs rating/battling/posting teams ? Ill let you guys figure that out. .____. Thats the root of the problem imo. I mean why would i post? No motivation thats why, sure "oh you shouldnt need to be motivated", probably not but it would help if there was at least SOMETHING to reward posting because its essentially a chore these days. If you want an active server we can always merge with another forums, taking it down is just dumb imo.

edit: ive also been hearing silly reasons as to why people dont battle also see;

"i dont care about pc anymore
"i dont want to lose to D_A"
"People take battling too seriously"

shouldnt we be addressing those ?
1. Im sure me/vrai would still do mons if there was something really exciting. I really dont like PC OU and would prefer to play wifi ou.
2. Well to be fair you challenge and then mash everyone.
3. Who? Honestly it seems like theres a dearth of this, back when I was first learning the game here, everyone laddered at smogon and wanted to get better at the game. What happened to that? It seems like everyone is content just being bad and battling here. It'd be more beneficial if we encouraged improvement so we'd have a more knowledgeable userbase.

Also yeah if all of us could post decent teams with actual thought that would be cool. I had some CSS coded for my rain stall but I never finished it. I might post my Alakazam team though.
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Well, the thread title is "What do you want in CBC?" This is probably an important question to answer if we're going to make CBC more fun again. So here's what I want in CBC.

First, I want the main forum (and the forum in general) to be relevant again. The community needs to have a presence on the both the server and the forum. If I were to sum up my "vision" for CBC, it would be that we need to get back to where we once belonged. And maybe make a few improvements on the old successful model along the way, as it was not without its flaws.

A few words about the server: I think as it stands now, it's mostly fine. However, the chat is often very out-there, which can definitely be fun, but (for me at least) it has stopped being edgy and it has certainly lost its appeal. I stopped going on for awhile not out of frustration or anything but because (along with a vacation thrown in) it just had stopped being enjoyable for me. The thing is, I feel like the server as it exists now wouldn't be a problem if the forum was also active, but since the server is the only game in town, you have to listen to some random conversation about protein or something like that or just not come on at all. In other words, the goofiness would be fine if there was a place to actually approach Pokemon in a more formal way—an alternative venue, if you will.

And that's where the forum comes in. A regular hasn't posted an RMT since March. That's really not good. And on the topic of RMTs, as much as I miss the madness of my first year or so here where regulars posted RMT after RMT, the truth is that a lot of us are good enough that we don't need to post RMTs often, if at all. But there are definitely regulars who could improve and who probably need some team help. I am one of these people myself. But if the question is what do I want in CBC, it's not that people post RMTs to promote some facade of activity but rather to post an RMT if they get stuck instead of scrapping the team and starting over, to post an RMT if they like their team but think it could be improved, or even to post an RMT just as a showcase because those can be good reads like battle logs.

Still, it takes two to tango. By that I mean that even if people post teams, they need to be rated or else "what's the point?" And here, I just want people not to pounce on every team that pops up like back in the day but rather to respond to a thread with zero replies that is waiting to be replied to. In other words, just chip in a little bit. And yeah, I know rating is a chore. I agree. Why do you think I stopped doing it myself? But I don't think in-depth rates are really necessary. I don't think it's realistic to ask raters to put more effort into their rates than the OPs put into their teams. But making a few quick fixes is easy and—I would argue—fun instead of the chore some of the longer ones are. Whether we want to admit it or not, regulars of the future are buried in the pool of randoms who post here and each one we ignore is a wasted opportunity. Karpman is right; it's time for a new generation of regulars to come to the rescue of the old.

So I definitely want the old school S&M elements to make something of a comeback, even if they won't dominate the forum like they once did. But that's the thing: if the foundation of activity from years ago cannot alone make the forum worthwhile for regulars, what can? Well, a few of us here sure seem to admire Smogon. Well, I remember Stark Mountain being a pretty chill discussion hub for topics like the ones Karpman recently posted. One thing Wolf has brought up would be to have a thread which is simply "Lucario" and then not only do we post and discuss movesets (as, after all, seasoned players know what they are and how they work) but also discuss some good combos for the Pokemon, teams that utilize the Pokemon particularly well, or even a "SDLuke brought me back from being down 1-5" type of story/log. Discussion really has no limit. What do I want in CBC? (Sorry if this refrain is getting annoying.) I want something for the everyone—but the veteran players especially—to discuss and have a good time with. Also, these kinds of threads used to exist, like right here. Yeah, it's noobish. But what if we had that, only more intelligent and refined? It was fun before and it still can be. It worked in 2007 and it can now. The only difference is we're improving on a winning formula. What's not to like about that? And that's only scratching the surface of what discussion topics could be... (I do feel like finding exactly what is interesting/engaging for discussion topics will take a little trial and error but the key is that we actually try so that we see what we like and don't like etc., especially since the possibilities are indeed numerous.)

Also, for those of us who like battle logs, there are those too. Not a staple by any means, but a nice "every once and awhile thing" to add a little spice. And as Oppo showed us, when done well, they're pretty awesome.

So for me, the main forum would ideally be a blend of discussion and more traditional team help and discussion. Once upon a time, this was the bread and butter of the forum. Only we're not noobish flaming idiots now. We can make the forum engaging and active if we really want to.

And then there is T&E. Much like in S&M, the regulars are getting absolutely lapped by the "randoms" in activity. On one hand, I do kind of get it, as a lot of the things there that are active with WiFi players don't translate well in a simulator-based community like this one. But T&E is still good for—wait for it!—tournaments and events! I think casual tours are cool but ones with more competition would be great too. For example, why not do an official tour every two months or so? And as a little incentive, have the previous tour's winner in the title of the thread until he/she is unseated. And of course, casual tours with cute little themes are fun too. I know they haven't been successful, but this is "what do you want in CBC?" and not "assess the reality of inactivity and indifference in CBC." What do I want? A fairly active tour scene (both competitive and more casual) to supplement the main forum. In terms of events, the only one we've ever really done is ComNight (plus some Get-Together stuff). If I'm being honest, I think the potential for events is somewhat limited just because, well, I just can't think of what we could possibly do that tour wouldn't do better. But I've never had much imagination with T&E so I could very well be wrong here. But tours are a must, even if their quantity is a little limited.

In terms of the metagame preference, we need BW OU as the standard. The truth is that that's what new members and potential regulars will be playing, and the future belongs to them, not us. Still, I think having DPP OU as an alternative for people who either don't like BW OU or simply want a break from it sometimes would be a good idea. And by that I mean we would give it similar treatment to BW OU in tours and stuff though it still wouldn't be the main metagame like BW OU. Maybe we would even stop using Smogon's tiers in favor of ones we determine ourselves. It's definitely something to consider. Do I want that in CBC? Personally, I'm not too sure as even at the best of times this was a stretch, but it could be fun and shouldn't be ruled out, in my opinion.

The server would be where all of the battling and events I can't imagine (but could very well exist and succeed) happen...kind of like the way it is now! Yes, with an off-topic chat if that's what people want. But right now the community only has the off-topic section of itself functioning so it is hardly recognizable as a "Competitive Battling Center," and I think that with what is essentially my vision for CBC that I outlined in the above paragraphs/novella, we could return it to that and something resembling what it once was. Well, there's one other thing...

I want to cover if community. It's not terrible or anything, but it could be better. There is more conflict, more tension, and even a little more intrigue than there once was. Lord knows I've been in the middle of some of it. To put it simply, can't we all just be friends? Conflict is inevitable really, like in any family. It's just important that it doesn't linger past its expiration date or else things resemble a fragile middle school clique more than a family. And the latter being the case over the former is why I always found S&M so special, something that kinda differentiated itself from the rest of PC. Let's not forget to make sure CBC has that same special quality. And one thing I certainly want out of CBC is for action to be taken against people who don't value that, however light or severe is necessary.

There is one thing I want in CBC more than anything else I just mentioned: I want people to care. I just want people to care.
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