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Old June 21st, 2012 (12:42 AM). Edited June 21st, 2012 by Forever.
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I want a theorymon thread. Anti and I were discussing an example earlier and I found it an interesting potential type of discussion for this section which might possibly get more people interested in talking/discussing/debating.
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You need a tl;dr version of your posts, Anti. I agree with pretty much everything you said. Regarding the server, I think we should turn the main chat into Pokémon only discussion, but make a off-topic channel. Also, I would like some more metagame discussions for BW OU, DPP OU, etc. We could schedule tournaments in there, hold team building competitions like this, etc.

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For example, why not do an official tour every two months or so?
PC Tour, which is going to be recurring.

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And as a little incentive, have the previous tour's winner in the title of the thread until he/she is unseated.
I did that with these two tournaments; they were pretty successful.

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I want a theorymon thread. Anti and I were discussing an example earlier and I found it an interesting potential type of discussion for this section which might possibly get more people interested in talking/discussing/debating.
What would we theorymon about?

Anyway, I want CBC to be more battle oriented, something that would encourage people to battle. Being involved with the main forum would be more enjoyable if that happened, and easier to keep active.
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Regarding the server, I think we should turn the main chat into Pokémon only discussion, but make a off-topic channel.
I like this idea. Another way to do this might simply be to leave main chat as is and just have a channel for Pokemon discussion if main goes completely insane as it is sometimes prone to do. I'm fine with either, personally.

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I would like some more metagame discussions for BW OU, DPP OU, etc.
I do too, though it would be helpful to know what exactly other people want to discuss. This would be a signal for others to post about what they want to see discussed in main forum etc. so we aren't just taking stabs in the dark hoping what we post will interest people. But yeah, I'll be done with the DPP OU one shortly.

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insert team-building competition link
I think this sounds awesome. I think it could go well with certain tour themes/metagame choices as well (to ease the "oh I have to make a team for this tour" burden a bit).

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Hehe, I wasn't very specific, sorry. I basically meant a single elimination tour that would have a traditional bracket etc. I don't like the idea of having the tour winner being determined by variables like the amount of time someone can come on and stuff like that. While I think points tours are fine, for the official tournament? I think a more traditional style would be preferable because it awards the best battler instead of the most active/determined one.

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Anyway, I want CBC to be more battle oriented, something that would encourage people to battle. Being involved with the main forum would be more enjoyable if that happened, and easier to keep active.
(link is in his post, scroll up!)

For whatever it's worth, I am very much against the switcheroo. I don't really feel like bringing out my argument etc. though unless other people want to discuss it too (so "the other side" is on the table too, hehe) because we've had this convo a million times lol.

I don't think it's terribly urgent though since, siwtcheroo or not, activity depends on people caring about the forum (whether it's main, T&E, or both), and maybe that more than anything is something to wait for before having that discussion. Or maybe not. Just throwing it out there.
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back in the day [07-09] did everyone just talk about pkmn in the main chat?


that being said I dont agree with

Regarding the server, I think we should turn the main chat into Pokémon only discussion, but make a off-topic channel.

I feel like trying to force specific discussion on one thing and regulating it by splitting 2 channels just wont work, the forum is where the main metagame discussion should go, I feel like the server is basically an irc with battles where the people who use this forum can talk about whatever
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I've been out of the loop for a while now but I thought I'd input here.

Take it as you will.

- I don't think having two chats will work well, simply put Smogon's only works cause they have a larger user base with other people from different sites regularly coming to battle. If you do that here chances are everyone will chat on the "chat" channel while occasionally going on to the server to battle.

- I started here in late 2008 and kind of stopped 2010. While 2008 was not the golden period, activity was decent. Back then I felt motivated to rate teams (granted I was still learning but I got better) because people actually responded to your rates and discussed it with you. Around the time I left I stopped rating simply because people seemed to post RMT's for the sake posting it (believe me I did too at the start haha) and ignored your rates. It got to the point where I asked myself "Why bother?". I'm sure others feel the same way. Perhaps you need to somehow encourage more discussion in RMT's and motivate both regulars and newbies to discuss. Idk how to do this though.

- This can't be blamed on anyone but when Platinum dropped I was told most hermits/regulars stopped playing because they didn't enjoy it as much as DP. I feel this is a similar situation with BW. I despise BW's OU, it's simply not fun and I've had no motivation to play it. They destroyed what balance DPPt had and added Team Preview which (this is only my opinion) is a horrible mechanic. Not knowing your opponent's team was a core mechanic for 4 generations. Why change? I just feel the fact that BW OU sucks may not be motivating people to be as active as they should and deterring older regulars from returning.

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I've been out of the loop for a while now but I thought I'd input here.

Take it as you will.

- I don't think having two chats will work well, simply put Smogon's only works cause they have a larger user base with other people from different sites regularly coming to battle. If you do that here chances are everyone will chat on the "chat" channel while occasionally going on to the server to battle.

- I started here in late 2008 and kind of stopped 2010. While 2008 was not the golden period, activity was decent. Back then I felt motivated to rate teams (granted I was still learning but I got better) because people actually responded to your rates and discussed it with you. Around the time I left I stopped rating simply because people seemed to post RMT's for the sake posting it (believe me I did too at the start haha) and ignored your rates. It got to the point where I asked myself "Why bother?". I'm sure others feel the same way. Perhaps you need to somehow encourage more discussion in RMT's and motivate both regulars and newbies to discuss. Idk how to do this though.

- This can't be blamed on anyone but when Platinum dropped I was told most hermits/regulars stopped playing because they didn't enjoy it as much as DP. I feel this is a similar situation with BW. I despise BW's OU, it's simply not fun and I've had no motivation to play it. They destroyed what balance DPPt had and added Team Preview which (this is only my opinion) is a horrible mechanic. Not knowing your opponent's team was a core mechanic for 4 generations. Why change? I just feel the fact that BW OU sucks may not be motivating people to be as active as they should and deterring older regulars from returning.

Just my 2 cents.
Just gonna say welcome back. Also we are pushing for DP to become a little more popular as a metagame around here as an alternative for BW OU.

Inb4 "NO ONE LIKES THIS" and theorymon.
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BW OU isnt that bad and I like team preview, it's nice to see your opponents team and form a strategy as soon as you can, plus BW OU would be a completely mukfest without it because of all the powerful new late-game sweepers, Zoroark, etc.
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Just noticed someone's RMT being rated 2 stars (by two users), which is up to competitive standards more than other threads in here, while other "questionable" threads are rated 5 stars, while somewhat non-regulars are rated 1 star, which would be kind of off-putting if I were in their shoes. Sometimes the ratings are okay for threads that deserve them, but otherwise they're greatly unused and never really for the right purpose. For a section that has had bad rep in the past for scaring new users away, isn't that kinda counter-productive if that kind of thing is happening?

So what I'm asking is why does CBC need thread ratings...?
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Quote originally posted by Requility:
So what I'm asking is why does CBC need thread ratings...?
So individuals can gain an immediate yet still brief idea if the thread is popular/of good quality or not. It's not like thread ratings are totally useless, they're just being used in the wrong way. I think if it were to be used appropriately, then I definitely think they'll serve to be more productive than counter-productive as you mentioned.
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So individuals can gain an immediate yet still brief idea if the thread is popular/of good quality or not. It's not like thread ratings are totally useless, they're just being used in the wrong way. I think if it were to be used appropriately, then I definitely think they'll serve to be more productive than counter-productive as you mentioned.
Being popular shouldn't really be of an issue (and in actuality it's being used opposite, those who are regulars haven't really received great rates lately), and a user could have a bad quality RMT which is messy and stuff, but the team itself is actually good. Other sections have had ratings removed, which rely upon user content, rather than discussion threads. Saying they'll be used more appropriately isn't really a thing because while it's all good to say, it doesn't mean people will necessarily use them, and with the amount of troll-y/spammy threads around here lately... thread ratings really isn't beneficial.
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Being popular shouldn't really be of an issue (and in actuality it's being used opposite, those who are regulars haven't really received great rates lately), and a user could have a bad quality RMT which is messy and stuff, but the team itself is actually good. Other sections have had ratings removed, which rely upon user content, rather than discussion threads. Saying they'll be used more appropriately isn't really a thing because while it's all good to say, it doesn't mean people will necessarily use them, and with the amount of troll-y/spammy threads around here lately... thread ratings really isn't beneficial.
Well instead of getting rid of ratings entirely why not find a way to improve how they're used? Perhaps only allow moderators to assign ratings which could be decided solely by them, or in accompaniment with say a monthly poll? It's only a really rough idea, though, and I'm not entirely sure how threads would be judged - probably on their quality and content.
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Thread ratings are a tool, much like Luvdisc on Smogon, to express that you find a thread exemplary. While I normally feel like Smogon elements (think badges etc.) don't apply well to PC/CBC at all, I feel like a simple "thumbs up only" system like the Luvdisc one would be superior. Unless I don't understand how Luvdisc work, lol.

In any event, I think this is mostly a non-issue. I don't see it mattering much--if at all--in the grand scheme of things.
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I'm not really sure if this has been brought up, but I'd really like to say it. I'm not really sure if I like the structure of this forum. I think that this forum should be split up into different sub sections. Meaning that rate my team threads can go into one place while discussion threads about different aspects of the game can have its own section as well. Wifi / PO tournaments should probably have their own section as well as clans. I just think that changing the forum structure to make it more organized will have a positive impact on it.

Rather then having everything jumbled up into one large section, why not split them up? I think that this would be good to do as it would be easier for a moderator do their job as well. I could be wrong on this, but wouldn't it be easier for a moderator to focus on one type of thread as opposed to a very unorganized and large forum? From my viewpoint it just seems easier and would make the forum run much more efficiently. Like what has been mentioned in this thread, I would love to see more discussion threads about new metagames and different types of sets, playstyles, etc. I think offering more discussion and way to get involved in the forum could really have a positive impact.^-^
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Lilas suggestion isnt too bad actually, the one question is if it makes sense in that it will make the forum look more inactive than it already is, although I do think its a really good idea to help organize the forum. Maybe not clans though since we killed those and probably wont have them again for some time.
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I honestly disagree with the notion that this forum needs to be split into subsections, it's a good idea but our current level of activity doesn't warrant the need for it. If you look at the first page of threads, there's 3 discussion threads and the rest are RMT's, it's not messy in the least.

If activity increases I can see the merit in this but at the moment there's no point tbh =/
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It's still pretty messy as it is though. I can see your point, I do think we need to get the activity up. What about doing something to actually attract some of the members back into the forum? Maybe a community team builder or some tournaments with incentives could help? I guess once we get the activity up then organizing the forum could be a better move that way. I just think that there needs to be a way to get members involved. Some incentives (I'm not sure exactly what) could be a good place to start, I suppose. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Then again, I think that the problem roots itself in the amount of people that actually take interest in competitive pokemon as a whole. I don't think that what anyone doing in the forum is wrong; however the large disdain for playing the game competitively causes the inactivity. I'm not exactly sure on what anyone could do to interest more casual players into a different aspect of the game when such a small portion of the community plays the game competitively...
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It's still pretty messy as it is though. I can see your point, I do think we need to get the activity up. What about doing something to actually attract some of the members back into the forum? Maybe a community team builder or some tournaments with incentives could help? I guess once we get the activity up then organizing the forum could be a better move that way. I just think that there needs to be a way to get members involved. Some incentives (I'm not sure exactly what) could be a good place to start, I suppose. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Then again, I think that the problem roots itself in the amount of people that actually take interest in competitive pokemon as a whole. I don't think that what anyone doing in the forum is wrong; however the large disdain for playing the game competitively causes the inactivity. I'm not exactly sure on what anyone could do to interest more casual players into a different aspect of the game when such a small portion of the community plays the game competitively...
For the time being I think it's fine as it is, it's not exactly neat but it not really messy either.

CBC has tried some of that, community nights, tournaments, building a PC metagame, emblems and whatnot and it hasn't helped. With the recent PC metagame that the forum wanted to create, everyone said they pitch in yet only two people ended up doing it so I doubt community team builders would work tbh. Even when the forum was more active tournaments were always a problem. Time-zones and laziness basically.

The community here has waning since Platinum dropped iirc, that's when I joined and activity was still reasonable. The pessimistic side of me has to say this is the lowest activity rate I've seen in my time here. Honestly it's no one's fault, B/W OU just sucks compared to DPPt.
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Hmm, well you'll have to excuse me for my ignorance of events that I have happened in the past as I am quite new to this forum. I agree with you that the forum structure should probably stay the same for the time being, although I would like to see it reorganized to an extent if activity ever increases again. I don't really think that the amount of people that visit the forum correlates with the decreasing quality of the game... If the forum were told hold a dpp tournament, I don't think that the results would be much different from a bw one.

Personally, I think that we have to find a way to get people back into the forum and then hold active tournaments, community team builders etc. Unfortunately, it isn't exactly the easiest thing to try and get older members to try and come back... Does there happen to be more activity in the wifi section of the forum? If so, then maybe it would be easier to get the two communities running together instead of having the PO sections and wifi sections running separately. If we can get more people into the forum, then you can run stuff like dpp tournaments, leagues etc etc, but until then, setting up a random tourney and hoping for the best won't help.
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I was just thinking about this today actually! x) I agree that the forum is quite messy at the moment and could use some organization. I think we worry too much about having an active main forum (main forum being CBC, excluding the sub-forums), and that's why we group multiple types of threads in CBC. However, I don't think an active main forum is necessary, or is more important than organization. Take Trade Corner for an example, it looks a great deal cleaner compared to CBC, despite the fact that their main forum isn't very active. The Trade Shops sub-forum still manages to garner activity even though it isn't part of the main forum. For the past few months, Anti and I have been discussing what should be focused on; what should be in the main forum (given the limelight). (We believed it was either discussion & RMTs (current format) or discussion & events.) Instead of putting the attention on one (or two) things, we should be concentrating on CBC as a whole (which is obvious of course). With that said, I don't think we should worry about the main forum being small or inactive. CBC's current state of inactivity shouldn't be used an excuse not to do this either. We won't get anything done if we just wait until activity picks up. We should be working on organizing CBC and figuring out what CBC should be ("What do we want in CBC?") before trying to make it active. It's like trying a make incomplete forum active without finishing the forum itself.

Quote originally posted by Lila.:
I think that this forum should be split up into different sub sections. Meaning that rate my team threads can go into one place while discussion threads about different aspects of the game can have its own section as well. Wifi / PO tournaments should probably have their own section as well as clans. I just think that changing the forum structure to make it more organized will have a positive impact on it.
I think what we need to do is simply make a Competitive Team Help sub-forum and direct all the competitive RMTs into that forum. By doing that, the forum would be much more cleaner, and would only include discussion, battle logs, and battling guides. The last two are rarely seen, so it would be mainly discussion.

T&E is also quite messy, with tournaments, leagues, clans, and whatnot being grouped together. I don't think sub-forums are required for it though; instead, requiring moderator approval before posting could return as a rule. We have a lot of unnecessary leagues that are practically the same, and mod approval would filter out some of those and direct the poster's efforts to already existing leagues.

Here's a rough draft of what the forum would look like:

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Competitive Battling Center
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Battle Log Archive (this wouldn't be a sticky thread (or not?))

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That looks really awesome. That format is definitely much better than the current one. Since clans are rarely seen around here, I suppose that setting it to moderator approval only wouldn't be a big deal (otherwise you would be creating a very inactive forum so I agree with pairing the two up together). In the 'Competitive Team Help' forum, does 'Competitive Team Questions' mean like the rate my team threads? If that is the case, I think the forum should be renamed to "Competitive Rate My Team." As for that forum, the rmt archive and the rules (I'm sure) would be stickies correct?

As for the 'Battle Log Archive' I think that this thread should be a sticky; however it can be a place where members can post their aeosoft logs as well as comment on other player's logs etc. I don't think that we really need a 'Battle Log Archive' per say, but a place where users can share their matches with the rest of the forum (for any tier, type of play) would be an interesting idea I think.

Overall, I really like the new ideas for the setup! I think that it's a big step for the forum
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"Competitive Team Questions" will be the equivalent of the Simple Q&A Thread we have right now. Basically, the competitive version of this thread. The thread would include moveset requests and incomplete teams mostly. The actual forum would contain RMTs. And yeah, all of the threads listed will be stickied.

I forgot about battle videos/replays! I agree that we should have a thread for posting battle replays (we had one before but it never really set off), and could have an archive/list of links to notable battle logs and replays in the first post. Actual battle logs would still be posted in the forum though, because it would get a bit cluttered otherwise.
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Oh ok. I suppose I misunderstood you. I honestly think that's a really good idea though. Although it will probably not be the thing to "step up" the activity in the forum, it's not really meant for that. I think that better organization is really a good thing to have, for both moderators and members
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I really like this layout, especially keeping quick battle thread in the main section so it's easier to find, etc. gj on it, wolf!
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RMT Archive is definitely a good idea, it lets new users see what a good RMT looks like and I suppose people who have difficulty building a team can see how a good team is built and base their team on an already made team until they can confidently build a original team they are happy with.

You could start off by picking a few RMT's where the teams had good records (eg. Won a tournament, laddering team that peaked high) then gradually allow people to nominate more RMT's to add. Perhaps first pick a team from each tier (NU, RU, UU and OU) then work from there?

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Sorry for coming from the beginning all the way again, but...

The main problem here is that it's not interesting.

I mean, Pokémon General, I know it's interesting, so I'll go check. Why? Because a couple threads captured my eyes in the "New Posts" feed, and the "Newest Post" sidebar. Personally, the main reason I haven't been messing around in the CBC is because 90% the thread titles are like "plz help me w/ my team!" Which isn't a bad thing in itself, but it just is naturally a boring thing to see.

So my best suggestion would be to have more "discussion" type threads to counter-balance the "rate my team" threads.

This coming from a guy who scanned the whole forum just a couple seconds ago...to tell you the truth, I have no idea what's going on, unlike some of the other forums that I've scanned just the same (e.g. Trading). When I scanned this forum, there were threads to "rate my team plz!" in the main forum, while a sub-forum specifically said "In-Game team help". While as an example, I could tell immediately that the trade shops (which I didn't know what they were called) were in a sub-forum, and the discussions were in the main forum.

I know that this may be harder for you because you have two sub-forums to deal with, but that's just how I see it. Boring threads, and organization (or the lack of it). You know that usually people's first step into CBC's servers and chat and whatnot is through the CBC forums. So hook them in - that's what I think you need, a hook.
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