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Old August 16th, 2012 (02:09 AM).
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....it will 100% not be DS, but 3DS.

I mean really, can you imagine the release of another set of main games for the DS in a typical autumn of 2013, and then getting translated releases perhaps by spring 2014? I don't.

Besides I'm pretty sure what you're suggesting isn't something nintendo would want to contemplate. Creating DS carts that have extra features for 3DS I mean, since BW2 for example have no 3DS features themselves, but can merely connect with the Dreamradar game. DS and 3DS carts are different things.

3DS is not an improved DS, it is a new handheld, unlike DSi which added cameras and the kind of DS games that have extra features for DSi... this is not the case now.
But it would be the same type of graphics of BW/2 like every remake, and there's DS games that has better graphics of BW/2, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't make it for 3DS, I'm just saying they can still make more developed 3d Pokemon game on the DS.
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But it would be the same type of graphics of BW/2 like every remake, and there's DS games that has better graphics of BW/2, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't make it for 3DS, I'm just saying they can still make more developed 3d Pokemon game on the DS.
They won't.

BW/2 were already standing with one foot in the land of the dead to milk the rest of the DS' life, instead of promoting nintendos CURRENT HANDHELD the 3DS.

They could make a game for the GBA with improved graphics too, but they won't for obvious reasons.
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I don't know why, but I still think that the RSE remakes will be on the DS. This is a really bad example, but Emerald was released on the GBA when the DS was already out. It still sold like hotcakes. The RSE remakes will sell regardless if it's on the DS or 3DS or not. I'm just leaning toward a DS release as GF already has the resources for it (Gen V engine) plus it's quick and cheap.


Gen VI will get the 3DS treatment.
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I feel like we won't get a remake for them, rather a sequel in the vein of B2/W2, they would need to fit it into the timeline somehow.
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I don't know why, but I still think that the RSE remakes will be on the DS. This is a really bad example, but Emerald was released on the GBA when the DS was already out. It still sold like hotcakes. The RSE remakes will sell regardless if it's on the DS or 3DS or not. I'm just leaning toward a DS release as GF already has the resources for it (Gen V engine) plus it's quick and cheap.


Gen VI will get the 3DS treatment.
No they didn't >> They sold ok but the GBA sales were horrible. All of Gen 3 as a whole had bad sales compared to later sales, and Emerald wasn't a remake of a previous game either. It was the Director's cut version of Ruby and Sapphire.

We don't know what they plan on doing. The DS IS a dead/dying system. Just got back from work and they pulled the DSi's from the store over the weekend. We had like 20 of them when I went in Friday morning and when I was putting out the 3DS XL which were released today I had to ask about the DSi's cause they were all missing. My Manager said they were pulled out of our stock by the Nintendo Representative.

Its gunna be a big thing if the remakes are for the 3DS but then again we haven't had 6 games released for one Generation before either.

Then of course there is the new, in-credible rumor about Pokemon finally calling it quits. I say in-credible because there isn't any credit to it. This appeared thanks to the Anime preview with Team Rocket. Course some people still believe that at the end of every generation the games are the last of their kinds.

3DS has a pretty good chance of getting the remakes before or after Gen 6. Earliest we'd see sometime next year possibly.
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Quote originally posted by soopaord:
I don't know why, but I still think that the RSE remakes will be on the DS. This is a really bad example, but Emerald was released on the GBA when the DS was already out. It still sold like hotcakes. The RSE remakes will sell regardless if it's on the DS or 3DS or not. I'm just leaning toward a DS release as GF already has the resources for it (Gen V engine) plus it's quick and cheap.


Gen VI will get the 3DS treatment.
If there was another set of new games a year after Emerald for the GBA, then you would have a point, but in reality, your analogy is perfect to BW2, because they both play the same role in their generation, and both are stretching a dead handheld.
Whatever is next, will get the 3DS treatment.

Also, it would not be as cheap/quick as you imagine. Hardly less work than BW2.
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I think/hope they make remakes like 'ShiningSaphire' or something like it, as they've made remakes in all Generations from 2 generations ago starting in Gen III with remakes of Green (A japnese game) and Red from Gen I and and remakes of gold and silver in Gen IV so I'm expecting a remake of ruby and saphire this generation (As B2W2 are remakes sort of, but not from 2 gens before hand)
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B2W2 are sequels not remakes...
Back on topic: I hope they'll be for 3DS but than again many of us hoped and expected the same with B2W2, thinking B1W1 were the last milking of the Ds by Gf but we were proven wrong sadly.
Though perhaps the remakes which will be the third Paired version of this generation (if they are remade for gen 5) plus they are third gen remakes (and the third set of remakes) so "3" DS is games might be possible if Gf being all subtly punny with this...
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There has been a lot of speculation about a 3rd game that would include the Original
dragon of the Tao trio, the god stone is a proof, what if they make Hoenn remakes
then Pokemon grey or whatever it's, both on 3DS, still the chance of GF doing that is small.
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Quote originally posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire:
B2W2 are sequels not remakes...
Back on topic: I hope they'll be for 3DS but than again many of us hoped and expected the same with B2W2, thinking B1W1 were the last milking of the Ds by Gf but we were proven wrong sadly.
Though perhaps the remakes which will be the third Paired version of this generation (if they are remade for gen 5) plus they are third gen remakes (and the third set of remakes) so "3" DS is games might be possible if Gf being all subtly punny with this...
Maybe they had BW2 planned from the start though(for the DS; after all, the system lived/is living longer than probably anyone figured, we know it's dead/dying now though with the 3DS out).

On top of that, no DS successor had been announced when they originally started work on Gen V(they started work right after DP if IIRC, which was quite some time ago obviously). With sequels in mind too, that might be why we have this huge stretch right now with the DS, their efforts to try to keep the two pairs together.

Remakes(irl release times) have no real place in any gen if you think about it; We're only assuming this because of the last two such releases. With all of the seemingly surprising releases as of late, I wouldn't be surprised if we got RSEmakes to kick off Pokemon on the 3DS.
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Old August 24th, 2012 (09:26 AM). Edited August 28th, 2012 by RandomDSdevel.
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Maybe they had BW2 planned from the start though (for the DS; after all, the system lived/is living longer than probably anyone figured, we know it's dead/dying now though with the 3DS out.)

On top of that, no DS successor had been announced when they originally started work on Gen V (they started work right after DP if IIRC, which was quite some time ago, obviously.) With sequels in mind too, that might be why we have this huge stretch right now with the DS, their efforts to try to keep the two pairs together.
You know, this might end our little argument over the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remakes' target platform if it pans out. GameFreak could not have known at the times which they began developing Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions and Pokémon Black and White Versions that the Nintendo DS family of systems would have already used up almost two fifths and slightly more than 99% of its lifespan, respectively, when these games were released. It makes sense that GameFreak didn't plan to make the sequels to Black and White since the beginning of Generation V because of how the generations of the Pokémon franchise usually coincide roughly with Nintendo's hardware generations but did not this time around because of the release of the DSi, which GameFreak might have considered as a console separate enough from the first two members of the DS family to develop Pokémon games indepently of the previous generation Threrefore, GameFreak must not have initially intended for Generation V to last as long since the idea of creating numbered sequels to both of its main games only occurred to their game designers early on the project as implied by a staement made by Junichi Masuda and summarized here by IGN DS/3DS. In this latter case, Generation V's length might be a direct byproduct of the fact that developing two completely new games takes much longer than making a directors' cut of two old games.

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Remakes (irl release times) have no real place in any gen if you think about it; we're only assuming this because of the last two such releases. With all of the seemingly surprising releases as of late, I wouldn't be surprised if we got RSEmakes to kick off Pokemon on the 3DS.
I honestly hope that you're right, C Payne, because we're all stuck in the middle of one of Nintendo's painful hardware transitions. This shift in platforms happens to be even more painful for me than usual because I'm still hanging on to my Gameboy Advance and original Nintendo DS for dear life. Even though my personal console interests might not concern you, I remain certain that we all fret over further shattering of the Pokémon franchise. We worry over this because the series's games interconnect more than most, especially when one considers the fact that some people, like myself, believe that they should be played in order. Without an RSE remake and the importing and trading mechanisms supported by the current games, we would all be sunk in an irresolvable quagmire of ill feelings towards Nintendo. Bring on the remakes!
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No they didn't >> They sold ok but the GBA sales were horrible. All of Gen 3 as a whole had bad sales compared to later sales, and Emerald wasn't a remake of a previous game either. It was the Director's cut version of Ruby and Sapphire.
I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you, but according to Pokemon Emerald's entry in bulbapedia...
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It was the second highest selling video game of 2005 in North America. It was also the third best-selling game for the Game Boy Advance, losing to its two predecessors, Ruby and Sapphire and FireRed and LeafGreen.
So it was very popular, but do correct me if I made a mistake
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I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you, but according to Pokemon Emerald's entry in bulbapedia...

So it was very popular, but do correct me if I made a mistake
Generation 3 games were poor sales compared to other generations. They sold the best in the GBA sales which were all horrible in comparison to other Handheld models.

Gen 1 is over 46 million
-Red/Blue/Green was over 31 million
-Yellow was over 14 million

Gen 2 is over 29 million
-Gold/Silver was over 23
-Crystal was over 6 million

Gen 3 is over 22 million
-Ruby/Sapphire was over 15 million
-Emerald was over 6 million

Gen 4 is over 25 million
-Diamond/Pearl over 18 million
-Platinum over 7 million

Gen 5 so far is over 16 million
-Black/White is over 14 million
-Black 2/White 2 so far is over 2 million (Has not had international release

Both Gens 3 and 4 also get supplemented by riding on popularity of older generations. Not counting the remakes due to it being a popularity pole vault as well as keeping the True Generations to the games focusing on the regions.

While still in their baby stage, Black and white are only 6 million sales away from Generation 3 which has been out for about 10 years. In that time Gen 3 has not caught up to Gens 1 or 2 nor was it able to keep a lead over Generation 4 which is arguably the worst generation according to a large amount of fans. Still, even as disliked as it is, Gen 4 still passed Gen 3 in sales. (It also hasn't been out as long as Gen 3.) 5 is steadily increasing and as already mentioned still an incomplete analysis as B2W2 haven't had full world launches yet which are only going to make the sales jump even higher. When the games are in their 5th year they may very well surpass the sales of Gen 3's Two main games. The two may even pass the combined total of the "three" Generation 3 title series.

Also discontinued systems isn't really an issue with sales as all of these numbers are way higher than the last time I researched this.

Currently Gen 5 is last but only because of its young age and it hasn't fully released. We won't see best results until Generation 6 rears its ugly head to be able to do a more accurate comparison.


And based on sales...I think they'd stand a better chance at 2 versions for the remakes rather than one. So I'd stick with my Original story line, behind the scene awakening of opposite, Rayquaza battle before 8th badge, opposite leaves never to be caught in that game while you get to face Mascot in Cave of Origin after facing the E4 and Steven/Wallace (which ever isn't the Champion (Hoping Wallace if they follow original story cause Water Gym AND Water Champion is really stupid.))

Or hell Wallace can be the Contest Master like in the Anime and not have anything to do with Gyms/E4 and you get to have an actual battle after beating Steven.
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I get the impression that those who support the idea of remakes for the DS are worried that they might have to find the money to buy a 3DS.

There's no way the platform for RSE remakes will be DS. Absolutely no way. If they are, I'll video myself shaving my head and put it on Youtube. Seriously.
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I don't know why, but I still think that the RSE remakes will be on the DS. This is a really bad example, but Emerald was released on the GBA when the DS was already out. It still sold like hotcakes. The RSE remakes will sell regardless if it's on the DS or 3DS or not. I'm just leaning toward a DS release as GF already has the resources for it (Gen V engine) plus it's quick and cheap.

Gen VI will get the 3DS treatment.
Emerald wasn't released after the DS in Japan. I still think that R/S remakes will be released after 6th gen, so it'll use gen 6's engine.

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Yeah you might be right that it might get a summer JP release date.

I really do think though, that RSE remakes will be announced next year though. Just look at the release cycle.

2002 - RS
2004 - FRLG
2005 - Emerald
2006 - DP
2008 - Platinum
2009 - HGSS
2010 - BW
2012 - BW2
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2013 - RSE Remakes ??
2014 - Gen VI ??
Gen 5 took the pattern and threw it out the window with sequels instead of third versions, also because the games released in June instead of September.

Also, whos to say we won't get a game at all in 2013? There was no game released in 2003, between R/S and FR/LG, 2005, between Emerald and D/P, 2007, between D/P and Pt, and 2011, between B/W and B/W2.

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There has been a lot of speculation about a 3rd game that would include the Original
dragon of the Tao trio, the god stone is a proof, what if they make Hoenn remakes
then Pokemon grey or whatever it's, both on 3DS, still the chance of GF doing that is small.
It'd be pretty hard to convince someone to go to Unova for a fourth time in a 4/5 year period.
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If all of the other games can get remakes or sequels, I don't see why R/S/E can't get remade too. Hoenn is my absolute favourite region after Kanto, they MUST make a remake! Hopefully it won't be on the 3DS because I'm the sort of person who doesn't have one and can be bothered to get it just for one game .

The main characters' bodies will probably be stretched like in B/W. Maybe they'll add evolutions to some 3rd Gen Pokemon as well. The music would be awesome, Gen III's music is classic.

Hopefully, Game Freak will give us an amazing remake :D.
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If all of the other games can get remakes or sequels, I don't see why R/S/E can't get remade too. Hoenn is my absolute favourite region after Kanto, they MUST make a remake! Hopefully it won't be on the 3DS because I'm the sort of person who doesn't have one and can be bothered to get it just for one game .

The main characters' bodies will probably be stretched like in B/W. Maybe they'll add evolutions to some 3rd Gen Pokemon as well. The music would be awesome, Gen III's music is classic.

Hopefully, Game Freak will give us an amazing remake :D.
Well you're going to have to get it eventually for Gen VI anyway, so why not start if RS remakes kick off the 3DS? Unless of course you plan on staying with Gen V and below forever with your DS, haha.
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Also, who's to say we won't get a game at all in 2013? There was no game released in 2003, between R/S and FR/LG, 2005, between Emerald and D/P, 2007, between D/P and Pt, and 2011, between B/W and B/W2.
Honestly, I might actually need a break from new Pokémon games in order to catch up with them; I haven't even gotten to purchase Pokémon Black Version yet! For heaven's sake, Nintendo; can you let me play FireRed and SoulSilver all the way through so that I can catch the release of the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remakes before going back to play Diamond? Maybe then I can start on Generation V in the hope that I can realign my little piece of reality with the rest of the world.

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The main characters' bodies will probably be stretched like in B/W. Maybe they'll add evolutions to some 3rd Gen Pokémon as well. .
You know, that reminds me that I'm not quite ready for the main games of the Pokémon franchise to receive the treatment of full 3D rendering untilIfinish my games, which I might start a discussion thread for because I'm still designing it even though I intend to have it published. I would prefer that GameFreak pursue alternate graphical styles, like one that would unify the games' style with that of the anime, for the time being. When it comes to evolutions, I would like to know what kinds that you guys might like to see in future Pokémon games. I might like to see more branched evolutions in a manner that might unite old and new Pokémon. For example, could a basic Pokémon able to evolve into either Magikarp or Feebas exist?
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While the new game isn't Pokemon Related, GameFreak HAS put out a 3DS title onto the Market today. I think its fairly safe to assume that we can get the next game, be it Gen 6 or Remakes, on the 3DS since GameFreak is now producing 3DS games.
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While the new game isn't Pokemon Related, GameFreak HAS put out a 3DS title onto the Market today. I think its fairly safe to assume that we can get the next game, be it Gen 6 or Remakes, on the 3DS since GameFreak is now producing 3DS games.
The trailer was funny, especially at the end, haha. I liked the homage to Pokemon too(pay attention and you'll notice the Reshiram in the background, while a battle theme is played on the level). It actually looks really fun.

Back on topic more...the thing that makes me more curious as to what RSEmakes on the 3DS(or Gen 6) will look like is how RH:HK uses a variety of styles throughout it: side-scrolling, 2D, and real 3D(both graphic wise and stereoscopic obviously).
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I hope it is on the 3ds. A few things that are needed in the remakes are.
-Fix Mirage Island. Too hard to reach just for a berry and wynauts.
-Make your rival use a FULLY EVOLVED STARTER! IDK why GF decided not to make your rival's starter evolve all the way. It was crazy.
-Battle Wally more. You have Wally as a rival but you only battle him ONCE before you head to the pokemon league.
-(If Emerald is the one being remade) Lower Rayquaza's level. Level 70 is way too high for a pre-elite four pokemon.
-Take away HMs. This is needed for all future games. All water pokemon can swim and all flying pokemon can fly. It is outrageous for you to have to waste a move slot on an HM. Make all HMs TMs because Surf is not bad, but the rest are wasteful.
-And last but not least....Make sure the Battle Frontier is in the game. It was one of the best parts of Emerald and it needs to return.
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I hope it is on the 3ds. A few things that are needed in the remakes are.
-Fix Mirage Island. Too hard to reach just for a berry and wynauts.
-Make your rival use a FULLY EVOLVED STARTER! IDK why GF decided not to make your rival's starter evolve all the way. It was crazy.
-Battle Wally more. You have Wally as a rival but you only battle him ONCE before you head to the pokemon league.
-(If Emerald is the one being remade) Lower Rayquaza's level. Level 70 is way too high for a pre-elite four pokemon.
-Take away HMs. This is needed for all future games. All water pokemon can swim and all flying pokemon can fly. It is outrageous for you to have to waste a move slot on an HM. Make all HMs TMs because Surf is not bad, but the rest are wasteful.
-And last but not least....Make sure the Battle Frontier is in the game. It was one of the best parts of Emerald and it needs to return.
In addition to this, make team Magma and Aqua a little smart, I don't know how using
the red orb to Kyogre, blue orb to Groudon makes sense...
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Quote originally posted by jellicentfan1:
I hope it is on the 3ds. A few things that are needed in the remakes are.
-Fix Mirage Island. Too hard to reach just for a berry and wynauts.
-Make your rival use a FULLY EVOLVED STARTER! IDK why GF decided not to make your rival's starter evolve all the way. It was crazy.
-Battle Wally more. You have Wally as a rival but you only battle him ONCE before you head to the pokemon league.
-(If Emerald is the one being remade) Lower Rayquaza's level. Level 70 is way too high for a pre-elite four pokemon.
-Take away HMs. This is needed for all future games. All water pokemon can swim and all flying pokemon can fly. It is outrageous for you to have to waste a move slot on an HM. Make all HMs TMs because Surf is not bad, but the rest are wasteful.
-And last but not least....Make sure the Battle Frontier is in the game. It was one of the best parts of Emerald and it needs to return.
He's a Psuedo Rival that takes the "Championship Rival" role away from the other Gendered PC. Since he wasn't the main rival, you don't have to battle him that much. Wouldn't really make sense to add more of him when he doesn't pertain to the main story. He's just a little extra.

Nothing wrong with Rayquaza's level. You aren't meant to catch it Pre-E4. If you did, good for you.

HMs are a staple to the videogames. Swimming =/= Surf. Flying =/= Fly. There was never anything wrong with them. They were made to not be deletable for a reason what ever that may be. If it isn't broke, don't try to fix it.

Mirage Island also is just a bonus. Doesn't need to be fixed since it isn't broken. Course it may not exist in the remake either.

As for starter. None were at the level to evolve so I can't see why they should evolve.

Battle frontier would be kinda duh add in. It only exists in Remakes and Third games. Whether we get Hoenn's Battle Frontier or some new one is a different story though. I would like a new one so its not a stale copy paste, though I don't really like the battle frontier enough to try each facility more than once.


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In addition to this, make team Magma and Aqua a little smart, I don't know how using
the red orb to Kyogre, blue orb to Groudon makes sense...
Kyogre's tattoo/relic signs are red and Groudon's are supposed to be blue as seen in the movie. Also an opposite polar tool to control a mythical beast is kinda iconic to a lot of monster genre's that follow a similar pattern. They were that way in the Anime as well. So after setting it as it is for all this time, I can't see them randomly changing that.


Only things i really want back are (as I stated before) Old School Pokemon Contests and Secret Bases. Those were the only redeeming quality for the Gen 3 games for me. So much they can do with Contests and the Secret Bases with Wifi.
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