RSE Remake Speculation Thread

[MiTjA]

Originally Posted by SnowpointQuincy

The next big Pokemon games has to be for the 3DS. How similar it is to the current format is a mystery.

The big problem of transitioning to a new console is that the first game is going to suck. appearance wise, Gen4 was just practice for Gen5. Compare Diamond->Platinum->Heart Gold->Black. Each game featured massive upgrades in appearance while remaining on the same system. Diamond COULD have been as beautiful as Black, but being the first game on the DS - it looks crap by comparison.

What does this mean?

The first game on the 3DS will be Hoenn Remakes. Why? So that the next Pokemon games on the 3DS (gen6) will look BETTER by comparison. Hoenn will be the testing ground for the 3DS Games Series. Hoenn will expiriment with new ideas, so that they can be perfected for GEN6. (like the difference between Diamond and HGSS, except they don't what the remake to look better than the current GEN.)

That is exactly what I hope they do. Well not remakes as much as a deeper re-telling or sequels or some other creative twist with Hoenn, but yes yes yes.

Apart from he 3d part obviously, because pokemon are made and designed for a 2d animation-like look to begin with.


Btw "Magmaruby and Aquasapphire", my browser is shouting malware alert to your sig for some weird reason .-. (well the site theyre from)

[Magmaruby and Aquasapphire]

Originally Posted by XanderO

No in Special Ruby and Sapphire (Manga) By the end of the events Both Ruby and Sapphire had a week left to gain their final Badge and Contest Ribbons before they had to head back to where they first met. So they finished the main story before either of them finished why they started.

Oh Right I forgot Sapphire skipped Norman...
Speaking of Norman he mentioned in the PWT that he was defeated by his child before your battle with him which if PWT is canon it adds futher proof that RSE being in the past. Also interestingly enough Juan mentions something around the lines of since his return before your battle with you which seems to make Emerald the canon game so remakes will likely be emerald.
Also might not mean nothing but Marshal's room has a Gold and Silver pokeball (GS) while the rails by the entrance are blue and red and the cage is deep green (or is it cyan...can't pin point what shade it is) so maybe it's a reference to the old remakes and the upcoming ones...wishful thinking here.

Btw someone should gather all the Sinnoh remake hints in this generation...there's a lot...

[MrGriszell]

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire

Oh Right I forgot Sapphire skipped Norman...
Speaking of Norman he mentioned in the PWT that he was defeated by his child before your battle with him which if PWT is canon it adds futher proof that RSE being in the past. Also interestingly enough Juan mentions something around the lines of since his return before your battle with you which seems to make Emerald the canon game so remakes will likely be emerald.
Also might not mean nothing but Marshal's room has a Gold and Silver pokeball (GS) while the rails by the entrance are blue and red and the cage is deep green (or is it cyan...can't pin point what shade it is) so maybe it's a reference to the old remakes and the upcoming ones...wishful thinking here.

Btw someone should gather all the Sinnoh remake hints in this generation...there's a lot...

I don't think there should be any more remakes after Ruby and Sapphire . We should make Game Freak work for there money and gives us a sequel when they reintroduce the region. Doesn't even have to be a continuation of the story .

I was kinda hoping with the RS and future remakes they would instead give us new story's that take place some time later .

[HyperXhydra]

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire

Oh Right I forgot Sapphire skipped Norman...
Speaking of Norman he mentioned in the PWT that he was defeated by his child before your battle with him which if PWT is canon it adds futher proof that RSE being in the past. Also interestingly enough Juan mentions something around the lines of since his return before your battle with you which seems to make Emerald the canon game so remakes will likely be emerald.
Also might not mean nothing but Marshal's room has a Gold and Silver pokeball (GS) while the rails by the entrance are blue and red and the cage is deep green (or is it cyan...can't pin point what shade it is) so maybe it's a reference to the old remakes and the upcoming ones...wishful thinking here.

Btw someone should gather all the Sinnoh remake hints in this generation...there's a lot...

In HG/SS the Pokeball where Lance is standing is Red and Blue, R/S hint.

Some other hints that I discovered:
In Hoenn R/S Steven's champion room color is purple( Pokemon Pearl color theme).
while Wallace champion room color is Pokemon Diamond's color theme.
Both room in the upper wall if you notice has Pokemon Platinum's color theme.

Same goes for Cynthia's room in D/P White while Pt Black.

So it could mean Alder and Iris's room color has hint for the next generation.

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by HyperXhydra

In HG/SS the Pokeball where Lance is standing is Red and Blue, R/S hint.

Some other hints that I discovered:
In Hoenn R/S Steven's champion room color is purple( Pokemon Pearl color theme).
while Wallace champion room color is Pokemon Diamond's color theme.
Both room in the upper wall if you notice has Pokemon Platinum's color theme.

Same goes for Cynthia's room in D/P White while Pt Black.

So it could mean Alder and Iris's room color has hint for the next generation.

Pearls are a whiteish pink. In the game they are greyish. So Steven's room being purple wouldn't be a hint.
Wallace's room matched his type. His was a light blue to represent water. Stevens can be said to represent the psychic types he used as his main Pokemon was Metagross.

As for Lance's room, Red and Blue are common opposing colors used in MANY games. Every Pokemon game has Red and blue in it in some spot. The two more important building for the trainers were Red and Blue roofed. Gamefreak does also acknowledge that Red and Blue are the first games internationally so anytime we get Red/Blue/Green it will always have two meanings.

Can't really tell you much about Cynthia's room, though only the Black one matches the Black game. White looks futuristic as well which doesn't relate well with Pokemon White. Since she's the only Champion since Blue that isn't type specific, White being all colors combined and Black being the absence of colors could be a representation of her lack of a specific type while incorporating most of the types on her team.


As for Alder's room, its golden, sandy bricks. Its the same design as the bricks in the temple. Iris's is the same albiet lighter since she's indoors, with a galaxy spiral behind it representing the four E4 type professions.

Though these don't really show off when remakes are made, these usually mistaken for next game coming out.

Has anyone talked to Wallace and Steven after the PWT to see what they say?

(As for the hint that RSE happened in the past, that was made apparent when the Magma/Aqua grunt said that they used to be part of an evil team "Many years ago"...so time line wise we kinda fixed that already)

[Snork]

I'd say they'd do a Ruby/Saphire remake but not emerald. I would love to see them allow pokemon to follow us around like in HG/SS but this time make it optional and make it so you can chose which party pokemon to follow you around, not just your lead

[MiTjA]

Originally Posted by MrGriszell

I don't think there should be any more remakes after Ruby and Sapphire . We should make Game Freak work for there money and gives us a sequel when they reintroduce the region. Doesn't even have to be a continuation of the story .

I was kinda hoping with the RS and future remakes they would instead give us new story's that take place some time later .

The same could be said for any game and has been said.
People going "I need gs remakes, but then they should stop" etc. Then 4 years pass and we are back on this again..

Personally Ive been hoping they would do something creative with GS already...but they went the boring remake route <__<
Heck they didn't even tweak minor obvious things like giving the gym leaders better thought through pokemon (Like for example Morty with 4 Gastly-pokemon, when a Misdreavus would not just make it diverse but actually be a Johto pkmn..there is tons of these situations throughout GS)

Well Im confident they'll do something new this time because Emerald was not like Crystal. And I don't mean they should remake the third version too. Theyll jsut have to make something different than real remakes.

Originally Posted by XanderO

Pearls are a whiteish pink. In the game they are greyish. So Steven's room being purple wouldn't be a hint.
Wallace's room matched his type. His was a light blue to represent water. Stevens can be said to represent the psychic types he used as his main Pokemon was Metagross.

Steven and Psychic?
His "type" has always seemed utterly obvious to me, Steel.
Not just is exactly half his team Steel (which started the tradition we have sene continued with the new champs, with Alder having 3 Bug and Iris having 3 Dragons), but he is obsessed with rare buried stuff (which then explains why the rest of his team is fossils...and Claydol)

Originally Posted by Snork

I'd say they'd do a Ruby/Saphire remake but not emerald. I would love to see them allow pokemon to follow us around like in HG/SS but this time make it optional and make it so you can chose which party pokemon to follow you around, not just your lead

What is your proposal for integrating Emerald into RS?
I don't approve of the one where Rayquaza is the star in the main scene lol.

[Emrald]

I'm thinking that if they do remake Ruby and Sapphire, they will add most or all contents from Emerald Version along with a abit bigger aftergame. In order to stay true to the game, i'm thinking that after the battle of Sootopolis you will be able to capture the version mascot.

After capturing or defeating the mascot you go on to defeat the rest of the main game. This is where things begin to look similar to Gold, Silver, and their remakes. You have the chance to capture all three legendary Pokemon. However, the other two legendaries appear only after the elite four.

[Magmaruby and Aquasapphire]

If they are adding new areas into Hoenn perhaps the new areas could be added into the plot and revolve around the main evil team to give them more screen time. Also perhaps they can switch things and give Kyogre a new area to awaken from in the Ruby remake while Groudon keeps the trench to keep it closer to Ruby...or simply give Kyogre the volcano for some yin yang added feeling (ps: Hoenn looks a bit like a yin yang sign and introduced a yin yang duo (the latis) so it fits this generation quite well).

Also they could add a new character based on what the mascot is and add more story to the games.

[rocky505]

I could see them making a secret room to the scorched slab for groudon in the Sapphire remake and a secret room for Kyogre in the cave where you get rain dance in the ruby remake.

[lucaspontes]

Yes, a use for Scorched Slab... maybe a legendary? And a greater use for that strange cave between the Trick House and Odale. I'm really looking forward to a remake because I plan to buy all the regions when I get my 3DS (Heart Gold, Emerald, Platinum, White and Black 2), so it will be nice if I can buy the remake instead of original (I could get Emerald too, though, because I need another console to trade between games anyway so I could play it in a regular DS).

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by MrGriszell

I don't think there should be any more remakes after Ruby and Sapphire.

If you're tired of buying expensive new cartridges every time a Pokémon remake comes out, then why hasn't GameFreak thought about issuing the remakes of the games that introduced Hoenn and the regions that succeeded it both as cartridges at retail and digital downloads via the Nintendo eShop so that they can simply update these games with add-on content–remember Mario Kart 7 1.1?–downloads each generation.

[KingCyndaquil]

Originally Posted by XanderO

Has anyone talked to Wallace and Steven after the PWT to see what they say?

(As for the hint that RSE happened in the past, that was made apparent when the Magma/Aqua grunt said that they used to be part of an evil team "Many years ago"...so time line wise we kinda fixed that already)

I've been trying to get to that point but the Kanto Leaders are pretty darn tough without my EV Trained team, which is in my Black version that I left at home XD (I'm away at college now, gotta wait until thanksgiving -__-)

But I'm agreeing with people that are saying they don't want a traditional remake.

Maybe Cyrus will come back (after all... D/P/Pt had a very similar ending to BW as far as the "I'll come back for you!" ending goes) and try to control the weather trio to create his "new world", maybe some back up from ex Team A/M members that want to help?

I mean, that can eliminate people asking for D/P remakes after this right? (I mean come on, we all know they will )

What i'm trying to say is anything is possible at this point, they surprised us BW2 and nobody was expecting that, what they will come out with next is up in the air.

To contribute to the hints people are talking about, people seem to have forgotten (or stopped caring) about Dive and the Dive Balls reverting to their original text, we never got an explanation about that.

[lucaspontes]

Wallace: "The reason for my defeat... It's... The grand illusion of water! It wasn't enough!"
Steven: "Hmm. Emerald can be mined in Driftveil City?!"

[KingCyndaquil]

Originally Posted by lucaspontes

Wallace: "The reason for my defeat... It's... The grand illusion of water! It wasn't enough!"
Steven: "Hmm. Emerald can be mined in Driftveil City?!"

Now Stevens line is very interesting in deed, I hope it means something.

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by KingCyndaquil

To contribute to the hints people are talking about, people seem to have forgotten (or stopped caring) about Dive and the Dive Balls reverting to their original text, we never got an explanation about that.

That's an old discussion. Diveballs didn't revert to their old text.

RSE Diveball text: A ball that works better on Pokémon on the ocean floor.

BW Diveball Text: A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live underwater.

HG/SS/D/P/Pt Diveball Text: A somewhat different Poké Ball that works especially well on Pokémon that live in the sea.

Difference between Gen 4 text and Gen 5 text is they aren't specific. Since in Gens 4 and 5 Diveball works while Surfing and Fishing. (Catch Rate: 3.5× if used on a water-dwelling Pokémon^{FRLGDPPtHGSSBWB2W2})

Gen 5's wording is just clearer and more open than what Gen 4 said (since it only says sea and it worked on any water dwelling Pokemon.)

And wow didn't know Bulbapedia fixed the error they had on the Pokeball page XD

[Magmaruby and Aquasapphire]

Interesting...Steven's words seem to hint at what some think the emeralds are a hint for being true.

Ps: Wallace's line makes me think of Aqua...what with the water not being enough...

I can see RS will be the last remakes and for Gen VI D2P2 instead. Gen VII B3W3...or maybe our long awaited Pokemon Grey version...

[Rivvon]

Comparing the data storage capabilities of the 3DS cartridges, we could potentially see a game with all regions so far...so if we want to start talking "DPP remakes" we could just lump that together into one supergame with Hoenn and all our other regions! After RSE I see no reason to remake any newer games, especially if Game Freak chooses to go that route (and yes, at this point it is anyone's guess, but it would be more beneficial to the series if they allowed access to multiple regions again).

[KingCyndaquil]

Originally Posted by Rivvon

Comparing the data storage capabilities of the 3DS cartridges, we could potentially see a game with all regions so far...so if we want to start talking "DPP remakes" we could just lump that together into one supergame with Hoenn and all our other regions! After RSE I see no reason to remake any newer games, especially if Game Freak chooses to go that route (and yes, at this point it is anyone's guess, but it would be more beneficial to the series if they allowed access to multiple regions again).

I don't see them lumping all the regions together just yet, maybe two (Start in Hoenn, go to Sinnoh(?)) but that's it really,

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by KingCyndaquil

I don't see them lumping all the regions together just yet, maybe two (Start in Hoenn, go to Sinnoh(?)) but that's it really,

You could travel to Johto and Kanto which would be much closer than Sinnoh from Hoenn unless you took a plane.

I don't think Gamefreak wants to do one massive game. They've put it off and even told fans that they had no intent on making one, when it was brought up as a home game issue. Even if the storage capacity is higher they'd probably have to sacrifice a lot to be able to fit more than 2 region into the game carts. Given that there is a lot of codin that has to go along with the region itself.

Tiles change with time and weather, individual grass movement, music, Pokemon spawns, and individual region events, not to mention they'd have to start adding in a lot of new information to make up for the lack of story for each region and have to give everyone a valid reason to attend each region.

By the time you are through half of the third region, you also have a high chance of being level 100, which leaves the 4th and 5th region with nothing but level 100s which isn't very appealing to everyone.

You also have gamefreak's signature reason for making games to consider. We'd get 2 games missing a lot of Pokemon from one game to keep connectivity between the two games. Gamefreak will pull out a lot of pokemon to force players to trade between games and that could become an unappealing part of the game itself.

There is too much to think about when it comes to merging all the regions into one that in the end its too much work for little possible prize.

Home Consol, MMO, Mash up of the regions is an idea that all fans have had in the past, but its an idea with a lot of potential to kill the franchise only in the it gets harder to update department because if they release a new region they have to re-release the master game with all the new Pokemon, attacks, items, character, music, events (or even more new events).

Too much hassle, not enough positive feedback on it.


I'm down for accepting a remake because its what we pretty much expect. I think Gamefreak even expects us to continue with the "Oh when we getting x Remake?" Its going to be the same for D/P/Pt when the next console comes out and reveals that it isn't compatible with Generation 4 or 5 titles cause it won't play DS carts.

As soon as the next big thing comes out we'll move to the next game down the line. That is unless Gamefreak does the unprecedented and goes with another new Generation before Remakes.

[C Payne]

Originally Posted by XanderO

(As for the hint that RSE happened in the past, that was made apparent when the Magma/Aqua grunt said that they used to be part of an evil team "Many years ago"...so time line wise we kinda fixed that already)

Do they say something different depending on the version? I've been playing Black 2 and it's a boyfriend and girlfriend mentioning about how they were trying to expand land/sea(respectively) but then realized it would make less living areas for Pokemon that lived on/in the other and to not tell their other; there is no mention of how long ago it was. By the way they were talking, it seems like it was a more recent thing, imo (although still no clue as to when).

About all we know is that they happened before b2w2.


Back on topic more, I find it interesting what Steven says too, although you could obviously tell those were emeralds being mined in Driftveil gym from the first set of games.

[Magmaruby and Aquasapphire]

I think the obviousness of them being emeralds and Steven's words adds to the hint's credibility.

Now if May and Brendan get redesigns I hope they're blue as they had red for RS and Green for Emerald (interestingly the colors of FrLg...).

[XanderO]

I don't think we'd get full changes to thier wardrobes. A minor update to some of thier clothes, thoungh they'd keep May's clothes somewhat similar for iconic purpose.

[Magmaruby and Aquasapphire]

Originally Posted by XanderO

I don't think we'd get full changes to thier wardrobes. A minor update to some of thier clothes, thoungh they'd keep May's clothes somewhat similar for iconic purpose.

The clothing change will proably be as big as the one's Red and Gold/Ethan had between their originals and the remakes.
Does anyone think either May or Brendan will be replaced like Kris was? I think (and hope) that won't happen, especially seeing how the two were in all three versions unlike Leaf who was in the none of the originals, and Kris who was only in the third.

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire

The clothing change will proably be as big as the one's Red and Gold/Ethan had between their originals and the remakes.
Does anyone think either May or Brendan will be replaced like Kris was? I think (and hope) that won't happen, especially seeing how the two were in all three versions unlike Leaf who was in the none of the originals, and Kris who was only in the third.

Thanks to Pokemon Special a lot of people are in support that Kris got renamed like "Gold" did. In Special Kris is Lyra and there are a lot of noticible similarities between the two with how similar their clothes are (Not very close but its similar enough to warrent support) and that they have nearly identical hair styles.

Since both May and Brendan were core characters to the beginning of the generation I don't think we'll see them replaced.

Kris, Lyra, and Leaf are add in characters that don't exist in the originals. (possibly why Kris would get the rename and wardrobe change)