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Quote originally posted by wombateiro:
Yellow is not third version. International classification means nothing, only Japanese one is correct. That's why they remade Japanese Red/Green, not international Red/Blue.


Still, WT is imo canon because all trainers who were free to participate, are there. Giovanni wasn't hiding. Koga couldn't participate because of being Elite Four member. There is nothing conflicting with canon.
For Yellow, still not true. Yellow is recognized as a third game title because it is only #4 in Japan and origin doesn't mean anything especially where this is concerned. They could have still made many Yellow References even being a "Special Version", especially since all third versions are "Special Versions". Each Third adds to or slightly changes the main story making it a Special rendition. Emerald would also be like this as Juan was highlighted as a Gym Leader in the Anime so Emerald would be the Anime Special for the Hoenn Series games.

Yes international still counts.

As for Giovanni and the PWT, no he wasn't "Free" nor are Cilan, Cress, Lenora, Chili, and Brycen still Gym Leaders so again, they were just added in when they didn't need to be there. Same can be said for Red who isn't Champion cause he either replaces Blue making Blue take over Giovanni's Gym as he should be, or Red is replaced by Lance as he is in G/S/C/HG/SS.

They were simply chosen to be added in. So the PWT isn't Canon nor credible since its supposed to have downloadable updates if that early rumor holds true.

As for Steven's reference, he makes a dual reference because it is the first real game where both Protags appear in the game regardless of Gender chosen. Cynthia makes an identical statement in B/W. The only difference she says it in singular, but they are both the only two to reference previous Main Characters. Since Steven was the first his reference was doubled because they didn't want to insult people. Cynthia was a more vague but equally open statement that says one but referencing both characters still. They even say the same thing as a description.

Steven also does not say group. He said the ones that gave him tough battles and Canon wise that has only ever been the PC. Since unlike Lance and Cynthia, Steven isn't shown battling against the Evil teams.

Don't know why you are arguing against one of the only Valid points to a remake when you so heavily support remakes.

As for PWT in the remakes I doubt it. I see those as B2W2 only as we'd get the Battle Frontier back along with Contests to replace the Musicals, Pokestar Studioes, Black Tower/White tree, PWT and Battle Subway.

And only reason I'm trying to add Rayquaza and the other in is because everyone else seemed against the thought of Sapphire only story and Ruby only story, but since you are arguing the credentials against those I guess you are going back on your earlier speculations as well, meaning you support the Sapphire Story/Ruby Story only remakes with no Emerald additions.

Those are really the only points that the stories could do references to one another while incorporating Emerald's little tidbit without becoming 2 flat Emerald Remakes with Exclusive Pokemon which makes no sense for them to do, and even less sense for them to make 1 with a fifth of the Hoenn Pokemon missing like they would in Emerald.



Quote originally posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire:

Right there is a possibility it's a typo too. I was about to say in my other post that someone should check the original japanese to see what it says (sometimes their's translation errors).

So far the Hoenn Elite four are the only one's who lack VS. sprites along with it's Frontier Brains.
Hoenn Gym Leaders, Opposite PC, and Wally have VS Sprites?
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I've only ever seen fan-made VS Sprites
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I've only ever seen fan-made VS Sprites
You got my hopes up that there were more sprites in B2W2. I was hopin for more Hoenn Trainer sprites. Speaking of, god I hope some of the sprites revert back to how they were cause some of the updated ones are ugly. Beauty looks like something out of Lady Gaga Musical, not to hate on her, but some of her clothes in her videos are a little WHAT THE EFF?! Not as bad as some of Madonna's but still. Future Pop Culture look from the 70s is still horrid.

Other than that there are a few other minor sprites I hope revert. Don't remember if Tubers appeared in any other game either.
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yeah, sucks that the WT only uses blown up sprites instead of vs faces, even for leaders that have them
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For Yellow, still not true. Yellow is recognized as a third game title because it is only #4 in Japan and origin doesn't mean anything especially where this is concerned. They could have still made many Yellow References even being a "Special Version", especially since all third versions are "Special Versions". Each Third adds to or slightly changes the main story making it a Special rendition. Emerald would also be like this as Juan was highlighted as a Gym Leader in the Anime so Emerald would be the Anime Special for the Hoenn Series games.

Yes international still counts.

As for Giovanni and the PWT, no he wasn't "Free" nor are Cilan, Cress, Lenora, Chili, and Brycen still Gym Leaders so again, they were just added in when they didn't need to be there. Same can be said for Red who isn't Champion cause he either replaces Blue making Blue take over Giovanni's Gym as he should be, or Red is replaced by Lance as he is in G/S/C/HG/SS.

They were simply chosen to be added in. So the PWT isn't Canon nor credible since its supposed to have downloadable updates if that early rumor holds true.

As for Steven's reference, he makes a dual reference because it is the first real game where both Protags appear in the game regardless of Gender chosen. Cynthia makes an identical statement in B/W. The only difference she says it in singular, but they are both the only two to reference previous Main Characters. Since Steven was the first his reference was doubled because they didn't want to insult people. Cynthia was a more vague but equally open statement that says one but referencing both characters still. They even say the same thing as a description.

Steven also does not say group. He said the ones that gave him tough battles and Canon wise that has only ever been the PC. Since unlike Lance and Cynthia, Steven isn't shown battling against the Evil teams.

Don't know why you are arguing against one of the only Valid points to a remake when you so heavily support remakes.

As for PWT in the remakes I doubt it. I see those as B2W2 only as we'd get the Battle Frontier back along with Contests to replace the Musicals, Pokestar Studioes, Black Tower/White tree, PWT and Battle Subway.

And only reason I'm trying to add Rayquaza and the other in is because everyone else seemed against the thought of Sapphire only story and Ruby only story, but since you are arguing the credentials against those I guess you are going back on your earlier speculations as well, meaning you support the Sapphire Story/Ruby Story only remakes with no Emerald additions.

Those are really the only points that the stories could do references to one another while incorporating Emerald's little tidbit without becoming 2 flat Emerald Remakes with Exclusive Pokemon which makes no sense for them to do, and even less sense for them to make 1 with a fifth of the Hoenn Pokemon missing like they would in Emerald.





Hoenn Gym Leaders, Opposite PC, and Wally have VS Sprites?
Sorry I thought that the Hoenn gym leaders had VS Sprites. As for the others...I forgot about them okay

As for the remakes. When you think about it FrLG, HgSs have been pretty flat remakes themselves...heck DP and BW are too with nothing really special contrasting them but version exclusives and in the case of BW two different cities and in B2W2's case a different cave... Most Duel version have been except for Ruby and Sapphire which had the most differences imo.
I would like them to focus mostly on the main legends' team but still show the other evil team doing evil stuff as well just not being as focused as much that way there can be the best of both RS and Emerald.
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Quote originally posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire:

Sorry I thought that the Hoenn gym leaders had VS Sprites. As for the others...I forgot about them okay

As for the remakes. When you think about it FrLG, HgSs have been pretty flat remakes themselves...heck DP and BW are too with nothing really special contrasting them but version exclusives and in the case of BW two different cities and in B2W2's case a different cave... Most Duel version have been except for Ruby and Sapphire which had the most differences imo.
I would like them to focus mostly on the main legends' team but still show the other evil team doing evil stuff as well just not being as focused as much that way there can be the best of both RS and Emerald.
Kinda why I started saying the opposite team would still awaken their legend offscreen to bring about the Rayquaza event, and the opposite Legend then disappears.
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Like how Black Zekrom appears in Pokemon Black with N and isn't catchable along with how you aren't allowed to catch Black Kyurem the first go through and can't catch it until after the main story.
They can use those two instances from the B/W series games to keep us from getting the opposite legend while still allowing us Pokedex screen caping it for GTS Trades like they've done since D/P/Pt when they changed the Dex to record how many Pokemon you've seen rather than just catch.
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Oh but I meant still catching the other legendary post game. BW was unique in which a key trainer character caught the other legendary. So unless someone catches Kyogre or Groudon they'll have to be caught, having the opposite legend appearing and leaving without being seen again would be lame...
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They don't have to, but they are constantly removing some features to bring them back again later. That feature could back in R/S remakes, the same like following Pokemon feature.
But that still doesn't mean it's definitely being saved for another game. And with all the other characters available for battles post-game like Alder, Cynthia, Cheren, Bianca, N, Banjiro, and the Game Freak guys around, facing the Gym Leaders doesn't seem so important.

I also doubt Pokemon following will be back. It was a neat little feature, but ultimately useless and pointless. All it really did was show our Pokemon and pick up a few items. Not really a feature worth an "IT'S BACK!!!" kind of treatment.

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I meant that Emerald is proven to have canon storyline, not R/S, because we have Steven and Wallace as Champions and Juan as Gym Leader in World Tournament. Seeing how Emerald is proven to be canon and appears to be in gen 5 timeline, R/S remakes (with Emerald's additions) should be in gen 5 too.
If RSE remakes will happen in Gen 5 because it's in the same timeline, what about FireRed and LeafGreen? They occured in RSE timeline as well by that theory, meaning Koga should be a Gym Leader still and Lance should be part of the Elite 4. With Koga absent and Janine present as well as Lance being in the Champions Tournament in B2/W2, that blows the hole timeline theory to pieces.

But to be honest, I don't believe there is a solid 100% accurate timeline to all the games outside of the openly known ones.

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There is no problem with that. R/S remakes on 3DS could simply belong to gen 5 if they don't add any new Pokemon, abilities, etc. Those things would be added in gen 6 game. It would be exactly the same like both gen 4 and 5 share platform but are divided by additions of new graphic engine, Pokemon and other things.
That would be like having a new generation happen in 2013 with RSE remakes and then again in 2014 for Gen 6. That's a lot of compatibility issues to think about. Remakes wouldn't be fully compatible with either the other Gen 5 games or Gen 6 once new Pokemon and moves are introduced. It would be stuck in between the two generations, like a Gen 5.5 all by itself.

It would be a better idea for the remakes to be compatible in the way the previous ones were with their generation's games.

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Selling is not problem either. What's the problem of starting 3DS with remakes, if gen 6 would be released anyway? All of those games would be selling well because all main Pokemon games are being sold in millions.
Here's some numbers to look at (valid as of March 2011):

Diamond & Pearl - 17.39 million
Ruby & Sapphire - 13.00 million
Black & White - 12.87 million
HeartGold & SoulSilver - 11.90 million
FireRed & LeafGreen - 11.82 million
Platinum - 07.06 million
Emerald - 06.32 million

Notice that R/S beat out even HG/SS, despite all the hype that those remakes brought. They didn't sell much better than FR/LG did. Plus, if you add Platinum and Emerald to the respectful counterparts, it just furthers the gap. (Note: This was only 6 months after Black and White's release, so they haven't quite had time to make an impact, but they still already beat HG/SS)

Business-wise, it would be a smart thing based on these figures to just skip remakes. Yes, they sold 11 million each, but after 2 similar results, one would assume a similar outcome would occur. And like I noted earlier, after only 6 months, Black and White surpassed HG/SS, which have been available for a year longer than B/W have been. Also, these numbers were calculated only 5 days after the North American release of B/W, so just imagine what the overall sales results are now! (I couldn't find one more recent that March 2011)

Yes, it would be cheaper to produce if they just use the DS system, but many people have finally started to accept that it's once again time for gaming evolution to take place. The DS is done, and as was pointed out several times, it was odd that Gen V was kept on the DS, so the longer they delay the jump to the 3DS, they're only hurting themselves, especially since the 3DS's first upgrade is already coming soon.

If I wanted to make maximum profit, I'd go for the stuff that sells the best. That's just plain old business sense.

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Thing is that Victini got revealed year before it's own movie, just like Genesect now. Zekrom and Reshiram were also already known year before Victini movie. New forms of Kami Trio could be featured in Genesect movie. Gen 6 is not certain to happen in next year, therefore R/S remakes are still likely to happen. I think they could also add some random Hoenn Pokemon in Genesect movie to promote remakes, just like they featured Johto starters in Arceus movie.
Victini had totally different treatment than any other Pokemon or movie.

July 24, 2010 - Victini revealed
December 17, 2010 - Victini/Zekrom movie announced
February 2011 - Reshiram confirmed for Zekrom movie/dual movie revealed
July 16, 2011 - Victini/Zekrom/Reshiram movie premieres

1. Victini was not the sole star of these movies, Zekrom and Reshiram were both equally important.
2. First time ever, we get dual movies to go along with the Black and White theme.
3. Victini was far from the last Pokemon to be revealed in Gen V.

Now, look at these dates:

December 2007 - Giratina/Shaymin movie announced (Giratina confirmed, Shaymin only hinted at)
February 2008 - Shaymin revealed
February 2008 - Giratina Origin Forme & Shaymin Sky Forme revealed
July 19, 2008 - Giratina/Shaymin movie premieres
September 13, 2008 - Pokemon Platinum released
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December 2008 - Arceus movie announced (only Dialga, Palkia and Giratina confirmed to appear)
December 2008 - Spiky eared Pichu revealed
February 14, 2009 - Arceus revealed
May 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver announced
July 18, 2009 - Arceus movie premieres
September 12, 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver released
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December 2009 - Zoroark movie announced (Only Celebi and Johto Beasts confirmed)
February 10, 2010 - Zoroark revealed
April 9, 2010 - Pokemon Black & White announced
July 10, 2010 - Zoroark movie premieres
September 18, 2010 - Pokemon Black & White released
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December 2011 - Kyurem/Keldeo movie announced (only Kyurem and the Swordsmen confirmed)
February 15, 2012 - Keldeo revealed
February 26, 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2 announced
February 26, 2012 - Black Kyurem & White Kyurem revealed
March 1, 2012 - Meloetta revealed
May 12, 2012 - Kami trio Therian Formes revealed
June 13, 2012 - Keldeo Resolution Form revealed
June 23, 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 & White 2 released
July 1, 2012 - Genesect shown in promo for 2013 movie
July 14, 2012 - Kyurem/Keldeo movie to premiere

See the pattern? Usually, movie details come out in December, a Pokemon or forme that is to star in the next movie is revealed in February, and then movie premieres in July, followed by a September game release of some kind. With Genesect already being shown, what is there left to reveal next February? Nothing but a new Pokemon. The Kami trio Therian formes I believe have been confirmed for Best Wishes 2, so they'll have their time in the series.

As for Gen 4 reveals, Munchlax was revealed first in 2004 with D/P announced later that year, however the games wouldn't come out for 2 more years, which is probably why they just slowly revealed more Pokemon until the games were finished. We also got XD: Gale of Darkness in 2005. Still, if remakes were coming, a Gen 3 Pokemon should have been revealed for the 2013 movie first, with Genesect being saved for the February news as it is still a new unrevealed Pokemon. It's not impossible that they'll use an old Pokemon as the star, but it's highly unlikely.

My prediction (at least for now) is:
Sometime in the future - Genesect reveal and event announced
December 2012 - Genesect movie announced (Will confirm Genesect to appear)
February 2013 - New Pokemon revealed (will debut in Genesect movie)
March-May 2013 - Gen 6 announced
July 2013 - Genesect movie premieres
September 2013 - Gen 6 released
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The storyline of the Kanto region is contemporaneous with the Hoenn story of Generation III, as revealed by details in both the Hoenn-based games as well as the later remakes of Generation I. The storylines of the Generation II and Generation IV games occur three years after this generation, with details about this link explicitly noted throughout the Johto-based games

Gen II/IV
Details in the games indicate that the story line of the Generation II games occurs three years after the one in Generation I and Generation III, while the story line of the Sinnoh-based Generation IV games indicate that they occur similarly contemporaneously to Generation II as Generation I does to Generation III

Gen V
Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part makes a cameo appearance, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion


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Like i said fan speculation. All it says is they know from in game details. What details?! So what if the Celio event mentions connecting with the hoenn pc girl. That doesn't really prove that it does. Bw and b2w2 have proved that we can trade without time machines. Who knows RsE could take place along with bw. There was a plasma grunt that mentioned Team Rocket and Galactic but said nothing about Aqua or Magma.
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Like i said fan speculation. All it says is they know from in game details. What details?! So what if the Celio event mentions connecting with the hoenn pc girl. That doesn't really prove that it does. Bw and b2w2 have proved that we can trade without time machines. Who knows RsE could take place along with bw. There was a plasma grunt that mentioned Team Rocket and Galactic but said nothing about Aqua or Magma.
There are references from both Lanette and Bill linking the two together also with the Pokemon Box Ruby/Sapphire where they introduce Lanette's Sister, the third member that created the original storage box. Both were said to be created at the same time. Lanette finished updating her box before Bill and with Bill's help updated it further between FR/LG and Emerald.

HG/SS Steven appears and introduces himself as the Champion of Hoenn and makes a vague reference to the PCs from the R/S games.

Those are the only major connections between the games both made/planted by Gamefreak themselves. Its not as much Fan Speculation is as the support against the current placement which is more speculation with lack of proof than the support for the current placement.

The current timeline created is facts from the games used to piece together the timeline, and based on game data, they is nothing to support that Hoenn isn't at the same time as R/B/Y/FR/LG.

Depending on what they do with Generation 6, this could upset the current time line so unless it happens in the past around the time of R/B/Y/FR/LG/R/S/E the remakes would most likely be past references and get no references to the newer generations outside of "Far Away Regions"
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Quote originally posted by XanderO:
There are references from both Lanette and Bill linking the two together also with the Pokemon Box Ruby/Sapphire where they introduce Lanette's Sister, the third member that created the original storage box. Both were said to be created at the same time. Lanette finished updating her box before Bill and with Bill's help updated it further between FR/LG and Emerald.

HG/SS Steven appears and introduces himself as the Champion of Hoenn and makes a vague reference to the PCs from the R/S games.

Those are the only major connections between the games both made/planted by Gamefreak themselves. Its not as much Fan Speculation is as the support against the current placement which is more speculation with lack of proof than the support for the current placement.

The current timeline created is facts from the games used to piece together the timeline, and based on game data, they is nothing to support that Hoenn isn't at the same time as R/B/Y/FR/LG.
That first one is still nothing solid to support it either. Nothing major shows up in either game about the other.

If Lanette and Bill are indeed co-workers, they more than likely worked on the project for some time; that doesn't have much to do with the actual main events of the Gens themselves. I'm not saying that they are only used for being able to cross-region trade, but that they aren't anything that should constitute as solid obviously. They only really prove that the 2 regions can communicate fully, at least sometime near the end of Gen I's events. (Trading compatibility should be the least proof anyways, as there are already impossible ways to trade; Ex: being able to trade Pokes back to I from II under certain conditions)

As for Steven's vague reference, that only really shows that Gen III probably occurs before VI and II, like how Ranger slightly hints at that. Remember, we have nothing solid for it happening at the exact same time as Gen I, so that still leaves the 3 year gap between I and VI/II available as a possibility as well. The odd thing is how Steven messes with our minds by refering to himself being Champion during HGSS.

When are we going to get off this timeline subject though? Have tried to not get involved in it, but it seems to be unavoidable. Despite that, it doesn't really have anything to do with the actual thread topic.




Trying to get back on topic...does anyone think Secret Bases will have more function than just decorating/battling said friend every so often?
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I can imagine they could expand on the Secret Base feature, it was kind of limited back in the day but now with all the Wi-Fi & Dream World features I'm sure they can make something good of it.
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wouldn't surprise me if they replace it with something very similar to the Underground, and being able to buy decorations with spheres
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I'm not saying the Underground is bad, as it was fun in it's own right, but I think the original secret bases work much better in this case. Rather than just running through some underground cave system, it felt much better to explore the different kinds of bases that you could make from different things; that felt much more suited for an area like Hoenn.
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I would like the original secret bases to reappear. Perhaps we can use pass orbs rather than sphere's to buy stuff for them.
Speaking of which do you think the remakes will have high link? and how will we gain access to the dream world...unless they save that post game and give us mostly hollows to find DW pokémon.
I hope they allow us to explore the "island" around Pacifidlog.
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But that still doesn't mean it's definitely being saved for another game. And with all the other characters available for battles post-game like Alder, Cynthia, Cheren, Bianca, N, Banjiro, and the Game Freak guys around, facing the Gym Leaders doesn't seem so important.

I also doubt Pokemon following will be back. It was a neat little feature, but ultimately useless and pointless. All it really did was show our Pokemon and pick up a few items. Not really a feature worth an "IT'S BACK!!!" kind of treatment.
"Pointless" features are needed to make games more unique. There's many features in every game which could be deleted, but why? For example, they made sprite animations for all trainers in B2/W2. It's pointless, but who cares? It's standard of gaming development to keep removing and bringing back features to keep people interested in games.

They brought back limited rematches with Gym Leaders in B2/W2, kinda like in Platinum. I expect them to bring back unlimited rematches in R/S remakes, just like in HG/SS. Hidden Hollows in B2/W2 are technically brought back Secret Bases without customizations. R/S remakes should have Secret Bases brought back with customizations.

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That would be like having a new generation happen in 2013 with RSE remakes and then again in 2014 for Gen 6. That's a lot of compatibility issues to think about. Remakes wouldn't be fully compatible with either the other Gen 5 games or Gen 6 once new Pokemon and moves are introduced. It would be stuck in between the two generations, like a Gen 5.5 all by itself.
Why remakes on 3DS would be incompatible with gen 5? If they don't introduce any new Pokemon, attacks, etc, there should be no problem. Dream Radar is for 3DS and has no compatibility problems with B2/W2.

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See the pattern? Usually, movie details come out in December, a Pokemon or forme that is to star in the next movie is revealed in February, and then movie premieres in July, followed by a September game release of some kind. With Genesect already being shown, what is there left to reveal next February? Nothing but a new Pokemon. The Kami trio Therian formes I believe have been confirmed for Best Wishes 2, so they'll have their time in the series.
Talking about patterns... you should notice that next gen Pokemon are main stars only after all movie Pokemon from current gen already had their movies, meaning no gen 6 star in Genesect movie. I thought Genesect won't be getting it's own movie because of most likely being revealed in this year, but now it looks like Genesect movie will be associated with with R/S remakes in 2013, much like Arceus movie with HG/SS. The reason why they started to revealing Genesect now is most likely it's presence in Pokedex 3D Pro.
Genesect will probably be announced like Victini - being already known year before and confirmed later to be main star.
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Whew a lot of speculation to catch up on. There are only a few things I have to say at the moment though.

While internationally, Pokemon Yellow was the third game released, it is not considered a third version in the ways that Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum are. Pokemon Yellow was loosely based off the anime featuring Ash. Therefore when making FR/LG the components of Yellow were ignored because it wasn't meant to be part of the original games (plus no one wanted to run around with a Pikachu who couldn't evolve if you wanted him to).

It is assumed that R/S/E takes place at the same time as FR/LG and D/P/PT with HG/SS and with the game hints there's little point in arguing that R/S/E is closer to 5th gen as it takes place at least 3+ years after HG/SS.

But this can also explain why Giovanni is in the PWT. After being defeated by Gold, he gave up on ever reviving Team Rocket and went into training. Also if I remember right, the public only thinks that Giovanni abandoned his position as a Gym Leader; they do not know that he was the leader of Team Rocket. The only ones who do are Red, Green/Blue, Gold, and Silver. Meaning that in the time skip he could have come back and regained his role, but we'll never know what happens to Kanto during this time. Course PWT isn't canon so this isn't much to discuss.

It might be simpler for them to remake Emerald, because it's events tied a bit more with both games than Crystal did with Gold and Silver. Plus it wouldn't make a big fuss of Team Magma/Aqua not existing in one of the games. It would also give reason for Rayquaza being present as he is part of the trio and just can't be ignored. However, they could change the events around and make Steven the Champion and Wallace a powerful wandering trainer.

Another way is to remake R/S and have you side with one team to stop the other. For example in a Sapphire remake, you would side with Team Aqua to stop Team Magma and end up helping them get Kyogre. However, the two Legends are locked in battle creating chaos and so the player is sent to awaken Rayquaza to stop the battle. All incorporating the features from Emerald, but leaving Steven as the Champion and Wallace as a Gym Leader.

On the note of B/W breaking patterns, in a way they didn't. They claimed they were starting over with B/W to welcome new people to the franchise and the next games ended up being sequels. Going back to R/B/G, the beginning, the next games made (we're excluding Yellow because it was a special edition for Pikachu, because people wanted to be Ash) were sequels that took place 3 years later. While B2/W2 isn't Gen 6 it's still sort of follows Pokemon game pattern if it is truly considered a reboot.

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Voice the Rse=rgby/frlg timeline is only fan speculation. Nothing confirms they happen simultaneously.
My point was that wombateiro's claim that RSE will be remade next is because they fit into the timeline of B2W2. However, if that is the case, that would also mean all other remakes occured due to being part of the same timeline, including FRLG occuring at the same time as RSE, which contradicts his RSE occuring with B2W2 and Janine's appearance as a Gym Leader and Red and Lance being Champions. I was actually trying to argue that using timeline as a reason can't be done.

I actually don't believe a Gen has to have occured in the same timeline to be remade. We already have alternate universes (N and Reshiram/Zekrom, Team Magma and Team Aqua being evil) so it really shouldn't mean there is an absolute set of events that occurs.

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"Pointless" features are needed to make games more unique. There's many features in every game which could be deleted, but why? For example, they made sprite animations for all trainers in B2/W2. It's pointless, but who cares? It's standard of gaming development to keep removing and bringing back features to keep people interested in games.
Exactly, if every game had following in it, it wouldn't be unique. The difference with these sprite animations is that they are far more advanced, unlike the limited animation we've seen before. Sort of like how B/W introduced the fully animated Pokemon, B2W2 fully animated (well, until they send out a Pokemon) trainers.

But the point again is that just because following and Gym Leader rematches specifically aren't there, doesn't mean this Generation has another installment coming just to include those features again.

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They brought back limited rematches with Gym Leaders in B2/W2, kinda like in Platinum. I expect them to bring back unlimited rematches in R/S remakes, just like in HG/SS. Hidden Hollows in B2/W2 are technically brought back Secret Bases without customizations. R/S remakes should have Secret Bases brought back with customizations.
Again, I don't see the importance of facing the Gym Leaders again with all the extra characters we can battle now. In HG/SS, there were no special NPC's other than Red and your Rival on certain days to face again. B/W changed this.

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"Why remakes on 3DS would be incompatible with gen 5? If they don't introduce any new Pokemon, attacks, etc, there should be no problem. Dream Radar is for 3DS and has no compatibility problems with B2/W2.
I meant FULL compatibility, like how HG/SS was fully compatible with D/P/Pt. No games designed for different systems have been fully compatible before. And the Dream Radar's compatibility isn't what I was talking about, I meant only the main series games. I doubt a DS designed game would fully work with one designed for the 3DS. We could probably use PokeTransfer like from Gen 3 to Gen 4 and Gen 4 to Gen 5, but battles and such would probably be out.

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"Talking about patterns... you should notice that next gen Pokemon are main stars only after all movie Pokemon from current gen already had their movies, meaning no gen 6 star in Genesect movie. I thought Genesect won't be getting it's own movie because of most likely being revealed in this year, but now it looks like Genesect movie will be associated with with R/S remakes in 2013, much like Arceus movie with HG/SS. The reason why they started to revealing Genesect now is most likely it's presence in Pokedex 3D Pro.
Genesect will probably be announced like Victini - being already known year before and confirmed later to be main star.
Gen 5 has broken a lot of trends, but every February except for the Victini movie has been "reveal the star" month, but only Victini and Zekrom were confirmed at first. February revealed Reshiram would also be in the movie, and that 2 movies would happen, not just 1. Victini was not the "star" of the movie, both Reshiram and Zekrom were equally important to those movies, like Mew and Mewtwo shared the spotlight. So that was very different from any other February announcement, but it was still something new and something we didn't know about from the December announcement.

Also, B/W got the traditional September release in Japan with a US release in March 2011, 5 months later which is the standard I believe. But B2/W2 were released in June, 3 months earlier than usual with the US October release being about 3.5 months between the Japanese release. And again, look at how many Pokemon and formes were revealed this February. Every event Legendary has had its own movie, except Meloetta. They stuck it in the series. Why do that if not to save time? Why not make a movie with it? Why reveal so many Pokemon and formes so soon if Gen 5 is going to continue into 2014? Even Arceus was saved to be revealed the same year HG/SS were released, possibly because of the Arceus event in those games.

Regigigas was shown in the preview for the Platinum movie, but had a small role. Lugia and Ho-oh were shown in the preview for the Zoroark movie, but didn't even appear in it. For Genesect (a Pokemon that still hasn't officially been revealed yet) to appear a whole year before its movie should be a red flag. With it being a "new" Pokemon, I doubt it won't be in the movie. So, since we know about Genesect already, what new could there be in February to announce other than a Gen 6 Pokemon? All movies that served as part of the remake eras revealed old Pokemon like Celebi and the Johto trio first in December, then a new or event Pokemon in February. That hasn't changed.
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You know what I think? I think GameFreak is trolling us. Getting our hopes down for the remakes. And then next time you walk through Walmart you see the remakes.
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@ Voicerocker maybe they'll show a gimmicky Hoenn Pokemon like Notch eared Minun and Plusle. Remember Arceus' movie didn't show any generation 5 pokémon despite us speculating it would, perhaps Genesect's movie will simply have some Hoenn mons for promotion and they'll save the gen 6 for the next one which if their are remakes will proably focus on a Hoenn legend my guess is either Deoxys (because it's the last like Mew and Celebi before it) or Jiranchi (cute legend) and a gen VI Pokémon.

I wouldn't be surprise if GF was trolling us with making our hopes go down, I remember they did the same with Notch ear Pichu...everyone was expecting a gen V pokémon...
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You know what I think? I think GameFreak is trolling us. Getting our hopes down for the remakes. And then next time you walk through Walmart you see the remakes.
Why would wal mart Be the first place you see them? The Internet will obviously be first.
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@ Voicerocker maybe they'll show a gimmicky Hoenn Pokemon like Notch eared Minun and Plusle. Remember Arceus' movie didn't show any generation 5 pokémon despite us speculating it would, perhaps Genesect's movie will simply have some Hoenn mons for promotion and they'll save the gen 6 for the next one which if their are remakes will proably focus on a Hoenn legend my guess is either Deoxys (because it's the last like Mew and Celebi before it) or Jiranchi (cute legend) and a gen VI Pokémon.

I wouldn't be surprise if GF was trolling us with making our hopes go down, I remember they did the same with Notch ear Pichu...everyone was expecting a gen V pokémon...
According to the info I found, the Notch eared Pichu was revealed in December '08, before Arceus was revealed in February '09. Arceus was the big reveal for that movie, but Genesect is being revealed for the movie now. That's what makes this case different. It would make sense for gimmick Hoenn Pokemon to be shown instead or revealed in December like Pichu was, but instead it's Genesect a whole year before the movie. There could be the chance that Genesect won't be in this movie at all, like Ho-oh and Lugia in the Zoroark movie, but those were old Pokemon. Plus, that December, Celebi was revealed for the movie, while Zoroark came in February. Genesect is still technically "new", so why put a new Pokemon in the preview if it isn't in it?

Also, they passed on making a movie for Meloetta for next year. The first time an event Pokemon won't have a full movie featuring it. Why skip Meloetta? They also revealed Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus 3 Februarys in a row. Keldeo and Meloetta were both revealed this year and now Genesect has officially appeared. Surely a proper reveal is coming soon, probably in time for the release of the Complete Pokedex and Pokedex Pro 3D.

February is the month of the event Pokemon reveal or totally new Pokemon reveal. There are no Unova Pokemon left.
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Does anyone think it would really be necessary to have Ruby and Sapphire remakes? Game Freak's "IT PRINTS MONEY" scheme is getting old, and there are apparently rumours that it'll be an Emerald remake.

I personally would want one big remake with new features which outstand the game from previous remakes.
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