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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:51 PM
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you decided to eat Big Macs 5 times a week and not exercise.
Oh, so because I ate 5 Big Macs last week, I have cancer, broken legs, internal bleeding, and meningitis? Please be a little more sensitive.
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ron paul explains it pretty well

obamacare is unconstitutional and only good thing about it is not turning down people with preexisting conditions aside from that i cant stand it
im not republican saying that cuz my post look like i am
Funny, because the Supreme Court said otherwise.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:52 PM
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That's why I said that health care is ultimately personal responsibility. It's not the government's job, or even a private doctor's job to make all of your health decisions. It's up to you and I to make healthy choices. Don't expect others to take care of you when you decided to eat Big Macs 5 times a week and not exercise.
No one expects to be taken care of. Particularly by the government. They do hope to be able to see a doctor without losing their house though.

And not everyone dies from Big Macs. People get seriously ill. People have accidents

We have universal health care here in Canada. Health care is not provided by or performed by the government. Doctors and their practices are private entities. What the government provides here is just a baseline level of health insurance. We still need to buy private health insurance. We still need to rely on drug plans from our employers. What the government plan does though is enable you to see a doctor when you think you need it. You don't need to wait if you can't afford it. Waiting makes things worse. Preventive care, which in the long run is less of a burden on the government.

And it isn't like you get everything for free anyway. You want a private or semi-private room? Well, you pay for it not the government. A new treatment for cancer that hasn't been added to the public plan yet? You can have it, but you need to pay for it. Medicine, you pay for it. Cosmetic stuff? Dental work. Eye exams. You pay, not the government.


Anyway, anyone think the Republicans might budge on "taxes for the rich" if they bump it from incomes of 250,000 to 500,000 or even 1million? I doubt it, but I think it'd be reasonable.
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Funny, because the Supreme Court said otherwise.
at one point Supreme Court said slavery was
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at one point Supreme Court said slavery was
Obviously, Slavery is = Obamacare.

So you're comparing two different courts, two different America's, (literaly) two different types of arguments, 150 years apart? No such comparison can be made logically. The Affordable Care Act was ruled constitutional, end of discussion.

Best part is that Obama will likely get to appoint more Supreme Court Justices by the end of 2016. Meaning he can assure that his legislation will survive for a few decades at the very least, perhaps longer depending on how long it takes the GOP to turn around.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:40 PM
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No one expects to be taken care of. Particularly by the government. They do hope to be able to see a doctor without losing their house though.

And not everyone dies from Big Macs. People get seriously ill. People have accidents

We have universal health care here in Canada. Health care is not provided by or performed by the government. Doctors and their practices are private entities. What the government provides here is just a baseline level of health insurance. We still need to buy private health insurance. We still need to rely on drug plans from our employers. What the government plan does though is enable you to see a doctor when you think you need it. You don't need to wait if you can't afford it. Waiting makes things worse. Preventive care, which in the long run is less of a burden on the government.

And it isn't like you get everything for free anyway. You want a private or semi-private room? Well, you pay for it not the government. A new treatment for cancer that hasn't been added to the public plan yet? You can have it, but you need to pay for it. Medicine, you pay for it. Cosmetic stuff? Dental work. Eye exams. You pay, not the government.


Anyway, anyone think the Republicans might budge on "taxes for the rich" if they bump it from incomes of 250,000 to 500,000 or even 1million? I doubt it, but I think it'd be reasonable.
So Canada's "universal health care" really doesn't cover anything of significance? Visiting a doctor alone is meaningless without the treatment necessary if it is needed. Medicare in the United States actually does cover prescription drugs, though it was controversial when Bush signed into law Medicare Part D.

The fact still remains that the United States is the most unhealthy of the industrialized nations. Physical education and sports programs are being cut nationwide, and parents are feeding their children GMO fattening foods in their laziness. We are also increasingly becoming a more sedentary society. Much of the problems with our health can be addressed by attacking the roots of the problem: our lifestyles.

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Obviously, Slavery is = Obamacare.

So you're comparing two different courts, two different America's, (literaly) two different types of arguments, 150 years apart? No such comparison can be made logically. The Affordable Care Act was ruled constitutional, end of discussion.

Best part is that Obama will likely get to appoint more Supreme Court Justices by the end of 2016. Meaning he can assure that his legislation will survive for a few decades at the very least, perhaps longer depending on how long it takes the GOP to turn around.
The Supreme Court also ruled that sodomy laws were constitutional. That was in 1980s, not 150 years ago. The point is that, while the Supreme Court does set the final precedent, that doesn't mean that Congress is prohibited from repealing the Court's mistakes. The Court has even overruled itself several times when it finally realized that it was wrong.

Don't get too optimistic about Obama's judicial nominees. We still have enough GOP Senators to filibuster them!

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Old November 12th, 2012, 03:04 PM
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So Canada's "universal health care" really doesn't cover anything of significance? Visiting a doctor alone is meaningless without the treatment necessary if it is needed. Medicare in the United States actually does cover prescription drugs, though it was controversial when Bush signed into law Medicare Part D.
You get treatment, as in procedures or surgery and other things of consequence - but mostly not prescription drugs (though there are exceptions). At least in Ontario. Federal money is divided up among the Provinces and added to their health budgets. So, coverage is different in each of the Provinces. Which I think is stupid. Regardless, by and large you get treatment. Mostly drugs you need to worry about and new experimental treatments that aren't under the public plan yet. So, a drug plan and private insurance is still needed to fill in the gaps.

You can get medical supplies/tools, it can cover travel, nursing/home care, therapy and rehabilitation (like physio for instance), examinations, tests, physicians, podiatry, dental (if done in a hospital), certain treatments, etc.

All "universal health care" ensures is a baseline for everyone. You want to go beyond it, you need to cover that some how
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The fact still remains that the United States is the most unhealthy of the industrialized nations. Physical education and sports programs are being cut nationwide, and parents are feeding their children GMO fattening foods in their laziness. We are also increasingly becoming a more sedentary lifestyle. Much of the problems with our health can be addressed by attacking the roots of the problem: our lifestyles.
Some states have tried, but those laws were later repealed. (Their fat-tax laws, and regulations on sugary drinks)

In this case we do need Federal intervention. We need them to step up and force food companies to sell healthier foods, and other things.

And, really, they can justifiably do this as the poor lifestyles are affecting our national security. Each year we have fewer and fewer people in good enough physical condition to join the army/navy/airforce/whatever. The fewer and fewer numbers of potential recruits means a continuously smaller army, meaning increasingly less national security.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:07 PM
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The Supreme Court also ruled that sodomy laws were constitutional. That was in 1980s, not 150 years ago. The point is that, while the Supreme Court does set the final precedent, that doesn't mean that Congress is prohibited from repealing the Court's mistakes. The Court has even overruled itself several times when it finally realized that it was wrong.

Don't get too optimistic about Obama's judicial nominees. We still have enough GOP Senators to filibuster them!
If Roe V. Wade has stood this long then Obamacare needn't worry.

Did you see any of the election results? Obstruction didn't fly last time. And lol. 4 years is an awful long time to idle or to waste time talking on the floor. Not even Mitch McConnell himself is that full of hot air.
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Some states have tried, but those laws were later repealed. (Their fat-tax laws, and regulations on sugary drinks)

In this case we do need Federal intervention. We need them to step up and force food companies to sell healthier foods, and other things.

And, really, they can justifiably do this as the poor lifestyles are affecting our national security. Each year we have fewer and fewer people in good enough physical condition to join the army/navy/airforce/whatever. The fewer and fewer numbers of potential recruits means a continuously smaller army, meaning increasingly less national security.
"Fat taxes" don't really deter people from eating unhealthy, just like cigarette taxes haven't really deterred people from smoking. All they are good for is generating revenue for the government, not solving our health problems. Instead, we need to make sure that physical education, sports programs, and health classes remain a part of school curriculum, and educate parents about making healthy choices for their children.

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If Roe V. Wade has stood this long then Obamacare needn't worry.

Did you see any of the election results? Obstruction didn't fly last time. And lol. 4 years is an awful long time to idle or to waste time talking on the floor. Not even Mitch McConnell himself is that full of hot air.
Obama won't be nominating new Supreme Court Justices his entire term, so there will be no need to talk on the floor for 4 years.

We're already concerting an effort to encourage GOP Congressmen and Senators to agree to things like temporary tax hikes for this wealthy, military budget cuts, and comprehensive immigration reform in exchange for the repeal of Obamacare. Let's see if Obama will put his money where is mouth is when he talks about wanting to compromise!
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Old November 12th, 2012, 07:15 PM
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Barack Obama isn’t exactly famous for his loyalty; he has a history of jettisoning people once they’ve outlived their usefulness to him. This time, it’s the gay community.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...is-Second-Term
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gary johnson said he was better than obama when it came to social issue i thought they were equal i was wrong
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Where exactly did I say that hoesntly your just defecting my point with failed sarcasm, so I will try to nsil my point into your thick skill again.

If people need to see a doctor there is insurance, if they don't want to see a doctor that is their choice. I dont like hospitals so I dont go, if I get sick and I die I die, that is my choice. I refuse to pay for something I dont want or need. Everyone else can get insurance, goto the doctor hell for all I care they can see the pope for prayers I dont care. They point is if they want to see a doctor they can, if they dont they dont have to...

if you are arguing you cannot afford the insurance because your poor, then do something about that. I grew u poor I went to school worked hard now I live a comfortable life, not rich or anything but I meet my expenses with some left to splurge
A few pages ago you said you had a broken ribs before but you simply walked it off. You were also complaining that people don't need to see Doctors.



I think you really set the bar for how stupid you have to be not to see a doctor about something like that... you should probably see a doctor about that bar.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 07:32 PM
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I've never heard of that news blog before, but I wouldn't believe anything that's been on MTV to be the truth.
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How is this "announcing opposition"? He just said he won't be PUSHING for it, which doesn't really matter since it's a state issue anyway. Obama has to deal with issues in the East that might turn into WW3 at the present time, which I regret to admit are more important.

I'm not the biggest Obama supporter, but I'm less of a fan of taking things out of context, twisting words around, and putting them into peoples mouths than I am of him.

Also, this article was posted well before the election, so using it to make it look like Obama is backstabbing the LGBT community and allies that voted for him is wrong. In the original MTV article which this article lists as its source he asserts opposition to DOMA. Obama shows nothing but support for same-sex marriage etc in the MTV article.

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Mitt Romney isn’t exactly famous for his loyalty; he has a history of jettisoning people once they’ve outlived their usefulness to him. This time, it’s his own staffers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineo...-of-the-night/


A completely misleading title posted by FreakyLocz? I'm so surprised.

Direct quote from the article "First of all, I've been very clear about my belief that same-sex couples have to be treated before the eyes of the law the same way as heterosexual couples. I think that's the right thing to do. It's based on my personal experience, seeing loving couples who are committed to each other, raising kids and are just outstanding people. And I was supportive of civil unions, but they taught me, if you're using different words, if you're somehow singling them out, they don't feel true equality."

And "Here’s the kicker; realizing that some states are now endorsing gay marriage, Obama suddenly became a champion of states’ rights, asserting, 'For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go.'"

All of you shouting Gary Johnson should be all over this, since that's the Libertarian stance.


I won't say I'm not disappointed though, getting DOMA off the books would be a great way to go.

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honestly i could see why he is not "fighting for it"
gay marriage is getting passed in a ton of states right now and will easily be legal in pretty much every democratic state

also this article seems really bias the first line pretty much says it
" Barack Obama isn’t exactly famous for his loyalty; he has a history of jettisoning people once they’ve outlived their usefulness to him. This time, it’s the gay community."
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Old November 12th, 2012, 08:48 PM
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Mitt Romney isn’t exactly famous for his loyalty; he has a history of jettisoning people once they’ve outlived their usefulness to him. This time, it’s his own staffers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineo...-of-the-night/
Romney's campaign ended on November 6th. There's no need to have campaign credit cards when the campaign is over.
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Romney's campaign ended on November 6th. There's no need to have campaign credit cards when the campaign is over.
Dick move on his part, but I do agree with you.
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Romney's campaign ended on November 6th. There's no need to have campaign credit cards when the campaign is over.
That seems normal.

Also... on that note. We on November 13th now. Whether you liked Romney or not... at this point its a bit like beating a dead horse.
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Dick move on his part, but I do agree with you.
I don't see how it's a dick move. Why should he allow a campaign that has ended to incur more debt unnecessarily?
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:37 PM
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I don't see how it's a dick move. Why should he allow a campaign that has ended to incur more debt unnecessarily?
I think it's probably the way he did it, considering he lost. I know I would have been upset too.

Maybe "let go" would have been a little more nice, but "firing" them was probably a bit too harsh? I dunno really, but that seems like the most logical reason.
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I think it's probably the way he did it, considering he lost. I know I would have been upset too.

Maybe "let go" would have been a little more nice, but "firing" them was probably a bit too harsh? I dunno really, but that seems like the most logical reason.
So... your issue is more semantics than the act?
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:51 PM
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I think it's probably the way he did it, considering he lost. I know I would have been upset too.

Maybe "let go" would have been a little more nice, but "firing" them was probably a bit too harsh? I dunno really, but that seems like the most logical reason.
"Let go" and "firing" are two ways to say the same thing. The former is just a term used to sugar coat it.
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