Competitive Team Questions (and Incomplete Team Help)

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but if you're referring to the level at the time the Pokemon was caught, it should be displayed right in its summary. In Latios' case, if it was initially caught in SoulSilver, it should be caught at level 35; if it was initially caught via event in HeartGold, it should be level 40. If it was initially caught in Black 2, it should be level 68.

Duh, Shouldve read it. It can be caught in Black 2??? Thats awesome. another reason to get B2

Also I was talking about its EV stats -_- fail.

New question. Going to plan using Latios. Rash nature. Planning to do this set

Recover/Psycho shift
Recover/ Reflect
Luster Purge
Psychic

Ev Sp. Atk 252
Hp 128
Spd 130 Might make this higher Still deciding. Want some thoughts

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

Duh, Shouldve read it. It can be caught in Black 2??? Thats awesome. another reason to get B2

Also I was talking about its EV stats fail.

New question. Going to plan using Latios. Rash nature. Planning to do this set

Recover/Psycho shift
Recover/ Reflect
Luster Purge
Psychic

Ev Sp. Atk 252
Hp 128
Spd 130 Might make this higher Still deciding. Want some thoughts

Latios needs all the Speed it can get to compensate for the lost Speed from using Rash. Rash takes away from Latios' good Special Defense slightly, but at least it's an alternative if you don't want to spend loads of time going for a Timid/Modest Latios.

Regarding the set itself, Latios' sets lean towards a sweeping role; Latias can handle defensive sets better. Latios is better with using Calm Mind + 3 attacks (or 2 attacks + Recover), Life Orb + 4 attacks (or 3 attacks + Recover), Dual Screens + Memento, or a Choice set. Latios has a good movepool to choose from, so you can pick Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse as your main STAB move, then fill the last 3 slots with coverage options that you need. While Luster Purge is tempting to use because it's Latios' signature move, it's not worth using because it has less PP and power than Psychic. Latios is also walled by Dark Pokemon currently.

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

Latios needs all the Speed it can get to compensate for the lost Speed from using Rash. Rash takes away from Latios' good Special Defense slightly, but at least it's an alternative if you don't want to spend loads of time going for a Timid/Modest Latios.

Regarding the set itself, Latios' sets lean towards a sweeping role; Latias can handle defensive sets better. Latios is better with using Calm Mind + 3 attacks (or 2 attacks + Recover), Life Orb + 4 attacks (or 3 attacks + Recover), Dual Screens + Memento, or a Choice set. Latios has a good movepool to choose from, so you can pick Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse as your main STAB move, then fill the last 3 slots with coverage options that you need. While Luster Purge is tempting to use because it's Latios' signature move, it's not worth using because it has less PP and power than Psychic. Latios is also walled by Dark Pokemon currently.

How does Latios lose speed when Rash nature is (+Sp atk) (-Sp def)
and considering that Latios is Psychic wouldnt he still get the STAB with Psychic moves?

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

How does Latios lose speed when Rash nature is (+Sp atk) (-Sp def)
and considering that Latios is Psychic wouldnt he still get the STAB with Psychic moves?

I'm aware of the Rash nature, but what I'm saying is that most, if not all, Latios run a Timid nature to outspeed as much Pokemon as possible. Assuming 31 IVs and 252 EVs, a Rash/Modest/Mild Latios has 319 Speed at level 100, which means that it gets outpaced by base 100 Speed Pokemon that use Hasty, Naive, Timid or Jolly.

And yes, Latios does get STAB from Psychic. It has 2 Psychic-typed moves, hence why I said that its current set is walled by Dark Pokemon.

[Ash493]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

How does Latios lose speed when Rash nature is (+Sp atk) (-Sp def)
and considering that Latios is Psychic wouldnt he still get the STAB with Psychic moves?

It still needs speed more than anything else as he's supposed to mainly work as sweeper.
If you concentrate on HP, Choice Scarf Tyranitar or something like that will totally overspeed your Latios and crush it with Crunch or something like that.
And yes, Latios gets STAB from psychic type attacks but only Psychic (from the attacking moves) is worth using (also Psyshock is good against Sp.Walls but it lask the power Psychic has.)

[AdrianD]

Well im sure that stuck with this latios w rash. should i ev max its speed? then go sp atk and hp. Should mix psychic and dragon move or stay with a straight move set?

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

Well im sure that stuck with this latios w rash. should i ev max its speed? then go sp atk and hp. Should mix psychic and dragon move or stay with a straight move set?

It's better to use offensive sets with Latios (Calm Mind, Life Orb, Choice), given its base stats.

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

It's better to use offensive sets with Latios (Calm Mind, Life Orb, Choice), given its base stats.

If the stats help

HP 120
Atk 87
Def 71
Sp Atk 125
Sp Def 89
Spd 94

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

If the stats help

HP 120
Atk 87
Def 71
Sp Atk 125
Sp Def 89
Spd 94

Latios was untrained by the time you posted this, right? And by base stats, I meant base 130 Special Attack, base 110 Speed, that sort of stuff.

And in that case, go ahead and EV train Latios.

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

Latios was untrained by the time you posted this, right? And by base stats, I meant base 130 Special Attack, base 110 Speed, that sort of stuff.

And in that case, go ahead and EV train Latios.

Yes its untrained. What would you suggest the Ev Draw should be?

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

Yes its untrained. What would you suggest the Ev Draw should be?

As I've said before, 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe. Latios needs all the speed and power it can get.

[AdrianD]

New problem. I have it ev trained to 6 Hp (i think) 250ish Sp atk and Spd 252.

Before I completed my EV training leveling up twice I have a Sp atk +5 and +4 respectively, The next 2 levels up +4 and +3 Sp atk raised respectively.

However on the latter 2 level ups my speed when +4 and +3 respectively. Does the amount of addition amounts of stats average out between the two or Did I do something wrong? I would think that I would be getting +4 and +5s or more when ev training but dont seem to be doin it right.

Thoughts?

Latest Level up +4 sp atk +3 spd

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

New problem. I have it ev trained to 6 Hp (i think) 250ish Sp atk and Spd 252.

Before I completed my EV training leveling up twice I have a Sp atk +5 and +4 respectively, The next 2 levels up +4 and +3 Sp atk raised respectively.

However on the latter 2 level ups my speed when +4 and +3 respectively. Does the amount of addition amounts of stats average out between the two or Did I do something wrong? I would think that I would be getting +4 and +5s or more when ev training but dont seem to be doin it right.

Thoughts?

Latest Level up +4 sp atk +3 spd

You didn't do anything wrong. That's how natural stat gains happen when EV training. That, or you finished EV training already.

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

You didn't do anything wrong. That's how natural stat gains happen when EV training. That, or you finished EV training already.

Will holding a training brace of some sort help increase the stats?

[Ash493]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

Will holding a training brace of some sort help increase the stats?

If you already finished your EV training then not.
If you did not, then EVs will be spread quicker so you will probably see bigger boost in stats.

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by Ash493

If you already finished your EV training then not.
If you did not, then EVs will be spread quicker so you will probably see bigger boost in stats.

Ok. Ive been getting bi-polar results. couple levels i get +2, +3, now couple of levels are +4 and +5. I am guessing its all random again. Cant really control it right?

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

Ok. Ive been getting bi-polar results. couple levels i get +2, +3, now couple of levels are +4 and +5. I am guessing its all random again. Cant really control it right?

Nope, that's natural stat gain happening post-EV training.

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

Nope, that's natural stat gain happening post-EV training.

Ok. Im glad to know that I am properly training the pokemon. I was worried I was doin it wrong

Charizard or Inferape? I am likely breeding both of them with a naive or the other +spd -def cant think of it. Any way would like thoughts.

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

Ok. Im glad to know that I am properly training the pokemon. I was worried I was doin it wrong

Charizard or Inferape? I am likely breeding both of them with a naive or the other +spd -def cant think of it. Any way would like thoughts.

If you're using a Sun team, Charizard is most likely the best choice because of Solar Power boosting its Special Attack to insane levels in sunlight, but then again, this type of Charizard is only available as a DW event (male-only, unfortunately, so you can't pass the ability down by breeding it), which means you'll have to stick to Blaze Charizard, who isn't very good nowadays. In that case, Infernape is the better option because it's a bit faster than Charizard and has a very wide movepool, allowing it to run mixed, physical and special sets effectively.

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

If you're using a Sun team, Charizard is most likely the best choice because of Solar Power boosting its Special Attack to insane levels in sunlight, but then again, this type of Charizard is only available as a DW event (male-only, unfortunately, so you can't pass the ability down by breeding it), which means you'll have to stick to Blaze Charizard, who isn't very good nowadays. In that case, Infernape is the better option because it's a bit faster than Charizard and has a very wide movepool, allowing it to run mixed, physical and special sets effectively.

Is it possible to breed egg moves of Poison spikes and Stealth rock in the same pokemon? Im rebooting the team with new ferroseed and pinco with each of those respectively wonder if either one can have both.

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

Is it possible to breed egg moves of Poison spikes and Stealth rock in the same pokemon? Im rebooting the team with new ferroseed and pinco with each of those respectively wonder if either one can have both.

"Toxic Spikes," you mean. Before you continue, Ferroseed and Pineco can't breed together; Ferroseed belongs to the Plant and Mineral egg groups, while Pineco belongs to the Bug egg group.

And yes, it's possible for Forretress to have both Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes at once; you just need to use the Stealth Rock TM on Pineco/Forretress in Gen IV, then transfer it to Gen V, or wait until B2/W2, when Stealth Rock is available as a move tutor.

For the sake of convenience, it might be a better idea to use Spikes + Toxic Spikes on Forretress.

[AdrianD]

which pokemon are best bred fastest to get spikes, toxic spikes, and stealth rock all on one pokemon.

Also what would be suggested move set for frillish?

[Ash493]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

which pokemon are best bred fastest to get spikes, toxic spikes, and stealth rock all on one pokemon.

Again, Foretress is capable of having all these attacks.

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by AdrianD

which pokemon are best bred fastest to get spikes, toxic spikes, and stealth rock all on one pokemon.

Also what would be suggested move set for frillish?

What Ash493 said. In Gen V, it's possible to breed for a Pineco with Stealth Rock using a female Pineco and a male Dwebble/Crustle, but as I said, you're better off waiting for B2/W2, since Stealth Rock is available as a move tutor there. And it's not recommended to have all 3 entry hazards on one Pokemon because:
-Forretress becomes Taunt/setup bait
-You're forced to give up Rapid Spin or an attacking move (Gyro Ball for STAB, Earthquake to hit Steels and Volt Switch to escape Magnezone or give a teammate a free switch in, considering that Forretress is a very slow Pokemon) both of which are essential for Forretress.

Regarding Frillish/Jellicent, these sets are your best bets:
-Scald/Surf
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

or
-Water Spout
-Shadow Ball
-Surf/Scald/Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam/Giga Drain
Nature: Modest
EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb

[AdrianD]

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

What Ash493 said. In Gen V, it's possible to breed for a Pineco with Stealth Rock using a female Pineco and a male Dwebble/Crustle, but as I said, you're better off waiting for B2/W2, since Stealth Rock is available as a move tutor there. And it's not recommended to have all 3 entry hazards on one Pokemon because:
-Forretress becomes Taunt/setup bait
-You're forced to give up Rapid Spin or an attacking move (Gyro Ball for STAB, Earthquake to hit Steels and Volt Switch to escape Magnezone or give a teammate a free switch in, considering that Forretress is a very slow Pokemon) both of which are essential for Forretress.

Regarding Frillish/Jellicent, these sets are your best bets:
-Scald/Surf
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

or
-Water Spout
-Shadow Ball
-Surf/Scald/Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam/Giga Drain
Nature: Modest
EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb

Two things.

Can B2/W2 be transfered back to B/W?

Two Ive been breeding cursed body, is that an acceptable ability to use?