Who would you vote for in the Presidential election?

[Demon.]

Originally Posted by Rodriguezjames55

I voting for gary johnson (if you didnt know) even tho im 16 (Harlem doesn't check any thing) any way ideology wise he fits where i go
cuts unnecessary programs (unfortunately obama care one of them)
he will let churches do what they want with marriage (obama will force them to marry gays) while making legal
less taxes and my favorite limiting drug cartells power by making weed legal
durring the debates i saw this with it and i found obama and romney failing during the debate at least theirs a new meme

You act like this is a bad thing.

[Stand Alone]

Seeing as how I live in a solid red state and my vote doesn't mean jack anyway, and seeing as how my preferred candidate finally was placed on the ballot here recently, my vote is going to go to Jill Stein. However, if I had to choose between the big two, Obama > Romney, for sure.

[Rodriguezjames55]

Originally Posted by Demon.

You act like this is a bad thing.

difference between letting them be legally married and forcing churches to marry them heard of separation between church and state

[Demon.]

Well if he legalized gay marriage, a church would have to marry them or they would be breaking federal law.

[Rodriguezjames55]

exactly why it breaks the 1st ammendemt

[Demon.]

so gay people shouldnt be allowed to get married? Because the Christian bible says they shouldnt lay together? It says nothing about them getting married. So it wouldnt break the first amendment. It shouldnt be banned in the first place, but whatever.

[Netto Azure]

President Obama for Electability and achievements during his first 2 years. Jill Stein of the Green Party for promoting most of my principles. Hmm...choices, choices.

Such is the dilemma of the Electoral College. Hell If I could I'd vote for Social Democrat Bernie Sanders as my senator, and Nancy Pelosi as my Representative. Then again having Henry Waxman as my congressman isn't half bad.

[donavannj]

A church isn't the only place a legal marriage can be held, gentlemen. My parents were married in a courthouse, and I'd assume any gay marriages would be the same way my parents' heterosexual marriage was (conducted in a courthouse instead of a church). I highly doubt Obama would actually force the churches to perform marriages (among other things, he doesn't have the power to make such a mandate on his own), seeing as a church marriage is for ceremonial religious purposes, which the biggest reason gay marriage supporters want it legalized in all states is so that gays are equal in the eyes of the law and can receive the same tax benefits heterosexual couples do.


EDIT: Also, I'm likely voting for Barack Obama, especially due to major flip-flopping on Romney's part with regards to his opinions and plans. Also because Romney lived a very privileged life from birth.

[Rodriguezjames55]

im aware of that and i heard that he was forcing churches to do that probably not a good idea to listen to a religion teacher and before you sat im a right wing extremist my familly is Democrats im liberaltarian

[Airbourne Bubblun]

Well, since I'm not from America, I would probably vote Obama. I think that Mitt Romney's mannerisms is too much like PM David Cameron, and I think that America will sink even further if Romney gets in. That's just my opinion.

[LividZephyr]

I am an eligible American voter, and analysis indicates the following:

Pros for Obama: Is a great orator
Cons for Obama: Campaigns instead of doing job, weak foreign policy, has caused mass unemployment and many people have quit looking, supports illegal immigration, has no leadership skills, lies in campaign ads, has nothing to run on, raised the cost of living but lowered personal income, has no idea what he's doing, wants to keep funding everything with taxpayer dollars, is probably a puppet

Pros for Romney: Has a track record, can work with both sides, will cut taxes and cost of living, picked a good running mate
Cons for Romney: Has been out of the scene for a while, doesn't have the presence, says a lot of things that make him look ignorant, has weak job promises, isn't running a good campaign, [may] support SOPA, sometimes changes his mind [not as much as John Kerry but still]

...I'm leaning Romney, really. I can think of more good things for him and more bad things for Obama. It's really a tough call, though, because Obama has been an awful president. Would Romney be much better? Probably not.

Back in 2008, Obama said that if he didn't fix the economy, he'd be a one-term president. That should be true. I say we put Romney in, then install someone else who isn't radical left like Obama or radical right like Dick Santorum. We need a change every four years until we get someone capable like Ronald Reagan or JFK.

[Demon.]

Obama put that economy back on track.

[Mario The World Champion]

Originally Posted by Demon.

Obama put that economy back on track.

I have to disagree with that. Unemployment is still high. It could be even higher if they counted the discouraged workers and the jobs that are created are low-wage. The looming fiscal cliff will hurt this country more than we know even if Obama is re-elected or Romney is elected.

I fear the people in Congress WANT to bring this country to ruin since all they do is bicker like spoiled children most of the time. They say that they'll wait after the election to do something, but after seeing that poor excuse of a "super-committee" fail, I really think very poorly of the children in Congress.

[LividZephyr]

Originally Posted by Mario The World Champion

I have to disagree with that. Unemployment is still high. It could be even higher if they counted the discouraged workers and the jobs that are created are low-wage. The looming fiscal cliff will hurt this country more than we know even if Obama is re-elected or Romney is elected.

I fear the people in Congress WANT to bring this country to ruin since all they do is bicker like spoiled children most of the time. They say that they'll wait after the election to do something, but after seeing that poor excuse of a "super-committee" fail, I really think very poorly of the children in Congress.

Obama is probably worse, given how he has no leadership stills. Romney... well he hasn't proven he can propose a decisive plan that will get things done.

Congress? They're more like Neanderthals. They have no idea what they're doing, and they're a partisan war zone that does whatever their leaders want. I say we fire everyone in Congress. Vote ALL of them out of office, and get new blood in to actually, you know, run this country the way the Founding Fathers wanted, instead of leech off of its taxpayers. It's pathetic. It's Congress that is ruining this country more than the President, but the most damage was caused when Congress was in complete control of the Democrats - both under Bush and Obama. I'm REALLY unhappy with the Democrats right now. And I'm not at all happy with the Republicans, either.

Let's start a third party, guys. That way, we can get somebody Gary Johnson elected in 2016.

[AChipOffTheOldBrock]

Originally Posted by Demon.

Obama put that economy back on track.

Haha, nice one.

God, I miss Ron Paul. Obama didnt really do anything except Obamacare and that was just another step toward despotism. But, Romney is just unlikeable as a person and I disagree with alot of what he says. If I was 18 I'd stay home. Other, ftw!

[Brendino]

Being a Canadian watching this election from the outside, it's always interested me how different the two countries are in terms of politics despite being right next to each other. Here, we've got 5 different parties comprising the government (the second largest being a social democratic party), yet for the U.S. there's no real option outside the big 2.

If I were an American but the U.S. used something similar to Canada's voting system, I'd probably choose Gary Johnson. However, since the only two realistic choices are Obama and Romney, I would choose Obama. While I wouldn't say I'm a supporter of his, I just don't think that Mitt Romney makes a very strong candidate, especially seeing him flip-flop on some of his stances.

[Laugh]

If I were an American citizen, I'd vote for Barack Obama. Ever since he became president, the Philippines, where I live, is now highly associated with America. And I like black presidents.

[AChipOffTheOldBrock]

Originally Posted by Laugh

And I like black presidents.

Racism. I always felt that was the only reason he got elected in the first place was because hes black. Hes not even black really, hes barely brown. I remember in 08 all the Gobama folk at my school said if you dont vote for Obama your a racist. It aint right. People just ignore his views and vote for him because "Omg first black prez!" or "Omg I dont want people to think Im racist!"

[princeofpoop]

Obama. Mostly because I haven't payed attention to the 3rd party canditates, and I hate Romney with a fiery passion. Obama also seems to have proved trustworthy for the last 4 years.

[Rodriguezjames55]

debates on no Johnson hes up to 10% now
election day almost here

[60]

Originally Posted by AChipOffTheOldBrock

Racism. I always felt that was the only reason he got elected in the first place was because hes black. Hes not even black really, hes barely brown. I remember in 08 all the Gobama folk at my school said if you dont vote for Obama your a racist. It aint right. People just ignore his views and vote for him because "Omg first black prez!" or "Omg I dont want people to think Im racist!"

You think the only reason Obama got elected was because he was black? On this large a stage you think race was the determining factor?

And I'm not voting. From what I've heard, both candidates have ups and downs and I don't feel like I could make a decision anyways.

[Cassino]

Originally Posted by Rodriguezjames55

con [...] doesnt view China as a threat/rival

I can't help but see that view as representative of what's wrong with the US, but this thread isn't about American imperialism... well it is, ultimately, but... from my outsider perspective, Obama is the most reasonable leader the US has had in quite some time.

[Went]

Well, I'm part of that 90% of Europeans who cringe at the thought of someone from the Republican Party ruling the US, so it's pretty obvious.

I always love how different we are when someone talks about how Obama is "extreme left". In our views, Romney would be off-the-charts-right and Obama a moderate somewhere between Conservatives and Labour/Social-Democrats. And then someone like Gingrich would be in an asylum. If someone tried to build a political agenda around spreading private healthcare in any EU country, he'd be attacked by torch-wielding angry mobs during every public speech, not be nominated for President.

[AWsquared]

This is my first time voting in a presidential election and I honestly I don't care enough for either Romney or Obama to vote for either one. Romney can say some foolish things sometimes, though Obama hasn't impressed me enough in the last 4 years. Then again, I don't pay attention to politics alot. I'm more of a independent person, I support both Republican and Democratic ideas. So either I will go for a 3rd party candidate or not vote at all.

[PlatinumDude]

If I could vote, I'd vote for Obama. IMO, he did a good job as president so far. I don't care much about politics, so yeah.