2012 Survivor's Party @ Drakow's House

[Plumpyfoof]

Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto

A TV license over here is basically just paying for the right to watch TV.

That's silly. I'm never going to pay for something I can get for free mostly because it's crap and I've got other things to do but it's the principle!

I'm in a tv watching mood right now in fact all i want to do is sit down with a bowl of cereal and watch iCarly or something similar.
Except I have a physics practise exam to do, maybe in 9 minutes.

[Went]

In the UK, you have to pay a licence to have a TV. Even if you are only going to watch cable, or even if you never turn it on, ever- just by having a television in your house, you have to pay. And if you have two, you pay double (with a discount). There are cheaper plans for families and people with 15 TV's at home, but you have to pay either way.

And that fee is entirely used to pay for the public national channel, the BBC. Seeing how it's considered one of the absolute best, more impartial, educative and informative channels in the world, it's kinda worth it. And that way the Government isn't directly paying for it, so it can be free of political bias and hit it whenever they deserve to. And since they get a guaranteed income, they don't need advertisements, meaning no breaks nor economical bias- since nobody can pull their ads off if they reveal some hidden crap about some certain company.

Working in the BBC is one of the dreams of journalists like me.

[Mr Cat Dog]

Originally Posted by Went

In the UK, you have to pay a licence to have a TV. Even if you are only going to watch cable, or even if you never turn it on, ever- just by having a television in your house, you have to pay. And if you have two, you pay double (with a discount). There are cheaper plans for families and people with 15 TV's at home, but you have to pay either way.

You actually only pay a flat fee even if you have multiple TVs, and if you just use your TV as a monitor for DVDs/video games, then you don't have to pay anything at all!

The rest of your lovely BBC sentiments are bang on the money, though.

[Counterfeit]

Originally Posted by Went

How is wellensleydale cheese like? It's the first time I ever heard about it XD

You clearly don't watch enough Wallace & Gromit!

[Ausaudriel]

Even being an American I loooove BBC. 8) The BBC version of Planet Earth is easily one of the most amazing things ever created.

And also Doctor Who. Need I say any more? Seriously.

[Kura]

Yeah the shows are good.. but I rather keep my 12-13 pounds a month (like 20 bucks) and just watch it like a couple hours later online when it's not being aired.. ._. Easy peasy!

[Toujours]

Originally Posted by Ausaudriel

Even being an American I loooove BBC. 8) The BBC version of Planet Earth is easily one of the most amazing things ever created.

And also Doctor Who. Need I say any more? Seriously.

Yeah Doctor Who is the bestttt. I have Dalek posters on my wall!

[Kura]

I need to watch the latest season :cc!! I still haven't gotten around to it yet ;___;

[Counterfeit]

That's not the best attitude, Kura. :|

I know you don't have to have a TV license to use iPlayer, but to enjoy their content and choose not to pay them for it is a little bit off..

On the subject of DW I haven't got around to watching the latest season either.

I will because it's DW, but I don't look forward to new episodes like I used to at all any more... Moffat! ];

[Toujours]

I'm behind on it too >_o I'm somewhere in the Eleventh Doctor, I forget where, but I'm a few seasons behind the current one on that show.

[Kura]

Originally Posted by Counterfeit

That's not the best attitude, Kura. :|

I know you don't have to have a TV license to use iPlayer, but it's probably still the most ethical thing to do.

Dude.. it's not illegal. It says on the website. I only need to pay for a TV license if I am watching a show on air. If I wanted to go onto the BBC player afterwards, I don't need to pay anything. Same as if I wanted Netflix, I wouldn't need to pay extra except for the Netflix fee.

I need a new TV anyways. I'm using a CRT right now. Do you think I wanna pay 20 bucks every month for maybe watching a total of an hour or two of TV a month?

How about nah. I fail to see how that's unethical.

[Counterfeit]

Originally Posted by Kura

Dude.. it's not illegal. It says on the website. I only need to pay for a TV license if I am watching a show on air. If I wanted to go onto the BBC player afterwards, I don't need to pay anything. Same as if I wanted Netflix, I wouldn't need to pay extra except for the Netflix fee.

I need a new TV anyways. I'm using a CRT right now. Do you think I wanna pay 20 bucks every month for maybe watching a total of an hour or two of TV a month?

How about nah. I fail to see how that's unethical.

I didn't say it was illegal at all, lol.

And I've edited my post to explain why I find it a little unethical.

[Kura]

It's not off.. they get their "payments" through advertising. I've never even watched through itunes in my life anyways. I will maybe watch 1 or less J Drama episodes every week and that's it. Or once in a while I will marathon something but that might be once every like.. 4 months anyways. The rest of my time is spent chatting, gaming, drawing, or on Youtube looking at random vids, music vids, etc.

[Toujours]

It's not unethical to use a service offered for free without paying a fee for something else. o_O;

[Counterfeit]

What are you talking about, Kura? o_o'

Originally Posted by Kura

they get their "payments" through advertising.

The entirety of the BBC website, including iPlayer, is devoid of adverts.

Originally Posted by Kura

I've never even watched through itunes in my life anyways.

Nobody ever said anything about iTunes.

Originally Posted by Kura

I will maybe watch 1 or less J Drama episodes every week and that's it. Or once in a while I will marathon something but that might be once every like.. 4 months anyways.

It doesn't matter how frequently or infrequently you do it, you enjoy their content.

Originally Posted by Toujours

It's not unethical to use a service offered for free without paying a fee for something else. o_O;

I'm not saying you have to pay for it, I'm just saying that it's a much nicer thing to do if you compensate someone for their work rather than take the cheap way out just because you can.

Additionally the iPlayer service is only separate from the TV license situation at the moment because of how they would go about policing it and such. They're expecting most people who are using it to already be paying for a TV license.

[Toujours]

Idk, I refuse to get judgmental over someone using a free service without paying something, lol. Kind of like I don't care if people pay one cent for the Humble Bundle. We're really smart people - if BBC didn't want people that didn't pay the licensing fee to use their online services I'm sure they could come up with some kind of restriction on it.

[Counterfeit]

I'm not getting judgmental over not paying for it, I'm getting judgmental over the attitude she has towards paying for it.

[Toujours]

I think the ideal solution would be to not be judgmental at all.

[Plumpyfoof]

Originally Posted by Went

In the UK, you have to pay a licence to have a TV. Even if you are only going to watch cable, or even if you never turn it on, ever- just by having a television in your house, you have to pay. And if you have two, you pay double (with a discount). There are cheaper plans for families and people with 15 TV's at home, but you have to pay either way.

And that fee is entirely used to pay for the public national channel, the BBC. Seeing how it's considered one of the absolute best, more impartial, educative and informative channels in the world, it's kinda worth it. And that way the Government isn't directly paying for it, so it can be free of political bias and hit it whenever they deserve to. And since they get a guaranteed income, they don't need advertisements, meaning no breaks nor economical bias- since nobody can pull their ads off if they reveal some hidden crap about some certain company.

Working in the BBC is one of the dreams of journalists like me.

Well in that case I suppose it's not such a bad idea.
I remember way back when we had PayTV at home and they advertised on regular tv that they wouldn't have advertising and that. Yeah that bottomed out 18 months later.

Advertising is big business no matter where you are in the world, I admire television networks or radio stations etc, that don't feel the need to advertise during programmes, now we have 4 dedicated channels strictly to advertise products for "10 easy payments of x amount of moneys less 6 gazzilion dollars postage" and It's so ridiculous.

[Toujours]

I don't get channels dedicated to advertising. Like, I don't understand. Who watches that?

[Razor Leaf]

Honestly, the concept of a TV license always seemed pretty normal to me. You pay for your home phone, your internet, your mobile phone, your electricity, your gas, your house, your car insurance, your water, etc. Basically any useful resource other than the radio. I never saw why it should be any different with TVs.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by Toujours

Yeah Doctor Who is the bestttt. I have Dalek posters on my wall!

Am incredibly proud right now, just saying. I've got Matt Smith and David Tennant posters all over my walls at home hehe x3

[Went]

And, adding to the discussion, I'd gladly pay a special tax to maintain the public channel here in Spain too. Currently the Government pays for it- and they appoint the director and the political line they need to follow, so it becomes a propaganda channel when a certain Government isn't nice enough to voluntarily depolitize it, as it's happening here right now.

I sometimes watch advertisement channels when I'm over-the-toply bored just to get a laugh off their most ridiculous ones. But I don't know who can watch them out of actual interest XD

[Kura]

Originally Posted by Counterfeit

I'm not getting judgmental over not paying for it, I'm getting judgmental over the attitude she has towards paying for it.

But I don't enjoy their content. I watch foreign TV shows that I would happily pay for if it was possible to actually get a copy of their DVDs without it being a HongKong ripoff. When I go to Toronto I do buy the official J-Drama shows that I like. I plan to buy the Ruroni Kenshin movie because I saw it was getting localized so I haven't watched it yet. I buy my Dr. Who DVDs and my Digimon season DVDs.

I'm not paying for something I don't use. The last time I turned on my TV was 3 months ago when I decided to play some DDR.

I don't get what "attitude" I have other than the fact that I wont give the government 240 dollars a year for nothing.


:/ INB4 you probably download a lot of your music, too. So who are you to judge me?


I'm not doing anything illegal. The Japanese shows havent been localized so it is free to watch subs until they are officially released- then they are taken down. I didn't watch the olympics except for one Saturday that I went to a friend's house and it was on in the background. I don't torrent.

Edit: Oh and the last show I watched was on 4OD's own youtube channel which is not illegal either.

So why do you have a problem with my "attitude"?

[Bloodex]

Originally Posted by Kura

:/ INB4 you probably download a lot of your music, too.

That's me right there. Is it bad that I don't feel ashamed?




On a side note, anyone see Sinister yet? It was soooo goooooddd.