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View Poll Results: What do you think of Ghetsis trying to freeze you alive instead of killing you?
Good that they did it, it makes it safer for kids 3 5.45%
I like it, it makes the scene a bit scarier (intentionally or unintentionally) 14 25.45%
Indifferent 16 29.09%
They should have censored it but in a different way, or not to the same extent 1 1.82%
They should have just left it the same as in Japanese 21 38.18%
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Old October 11th, 2012 (02:55 AM).
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Well, for now it just a line of dialogue
But if it removal of a certain character or gameplay aspect.....
They gonna have a bad time (though Voltorb flip does fun since you can use calculator from the net)
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The amount of "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU!!!!!" threats in Japanese entertainment (especially when you already know there is no way that character can die) only to be saved a split second before your demise is incredibly overused.

I don't think it was necessarily censorship but rather an improvement in dialogue. I mean, the animation of the icicles were a lot more violent than someone saying they're going to kill you.

I don't understand why this is a huge deal around the internet tbh. :<
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Old October 12th, 2012 (06:06 PM). Edited October 12th, 2012 by RedJ.
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....okay now that I've actually seen the scene in question. It's pretty obvious what the intent was there I don't have a problem with the change, but....yeah, what was about to happen there WAS NOT "being frozen".
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There's no question about it - Ghetsis is trying very desperately to kill the trainer, regardless of whether he actually uses the word "kill" or not.
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Old October 17th, 2012 (10:38 AM).
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As it turns out, the original Japanese dialogue was the exact same thing. This is what happens when let assumptions go. Given a good read at the TV Tropes pages, turns out they translated it faithfully. As is. Nothing to see here.

There's a lesson to be learned here: Get a Japanese speaker to translate first. Literally.
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doesnt really make any difference really does it. Being frozen = pretty dead
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I finally got to this part in-game and I can't complain. It seemed natural enough and not like it was censored.

Tbh I'd find it a little odd to have Ghetsis threaten to kill the protagonist since the main chara is just standing there and literally doing nothing when Kyurem's taking its sweet ol' time getting the icicles revved up. No exclamation point? Not even going to turn around and half-ass running away or anything? Lame.
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We live in a world where everyone has to be babied and thought carefully, or else we'll turn into a crazed gunman or something like that. Thing is they don't realize that there will always be bad people in the world, but they're just trying to hide it. In all honesty, NOA shouldn't be doing this, it's just a word. They're going to learn it later on in life anyways. It's like Nickelodeon with DB Kai. They censored "kill" and "die" to similar words like "destroy." Censorship will always be stupid.
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I felt the whole ordeal with Ghetsis felt rather rushed, so his words really had no meaning, but rather the emotion and intent behind them were felt instead. In this scenario I'd have to say I'm indifferent because it did not really alter my enjoyment or understanding of the scene.

In my mind I could picture Ghetsis raging, "I'll freeze you alive!" which, as has been said, is quite a terrifying ordeal. It would kill you. The localization team felt that it would be more appropriate for the wide-ranging American (not sure about other international releases) audience for him to say that, and it's not that bad: children won't think much of it and adults will realize the terror behind it.
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They wanted a G rating (I think it is like the E rating in the US?). Over here, Australia, if you have themes like kill, etc., you will be put under the PG rating. So I guess Nintendo wanted Pokemon to have the G rating to get a wider audience. Which I think is the main reason they modified this section. Also, you know the lady that you ride in the Ferris wheel? I think in the Japanese version, she is actually a trans-sexual/cross dresser. At least so I heard from and seen from the 3rd-party translated BW2.

I think this also happens with censorship for the Pokemon Anime releases, or at least use too.
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Old October 26th, 2012 (11:29 PM).
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I agree with the sentiment that being frozen solid is much worse than a more 'ordinary' death.

Censorship on kids' media can get out of hand at times (hi 4Kids) but I don't think of B/W2 as one of those instances.
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Old October 26th, 2012 (11:36 PM).
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Look at it this way, phrased by a Youtube comment I particularly liked.

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If you're Japanese, you were going to die.

If you're English, you'll be frozen for the eternity, unable to move and see how the cave around you grew old...
One is instant death while the other is prolonged suffering.
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Old October 27th, 2012 (03:43 AM). Edited October 27th, 2012 by Hiroshi Sotomura.
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One is prolonged suffering, the other is a faithful translation. I really do wonder what translation you're using as the basis to say there was any form of censorship, because I don't recall anything like it, and I just watched a video to see if he said anything like it. He didn't.

And while we can spur a philosophical discussion on censorship, that'd be better suited to the Video Gaming forum.
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