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Old October 22nd, 2012 (07:15 PM). Edited October 23rd, 2012 by Livewire.
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Sept. 11th was surely one of the most defining and poignant moments in American history. The events of that day have been rehashed in countless television specials and documentaries, but in 2013 audiences can expect something different. A 9/11 "truther" fim titled "September Morn" is set to hit theaters and it has two big Hollywood names at the helm.

Martin Sheen and Woody Harrelson will star in the 9/11 truther flick, according to Yahoo! Movies. The film will focus on some of the theories presented by the truther movement, a coalition of individuals who believe that the mainstream media has deceived the public about what really happened on Sept. 11, 2001.

"September Morn" has been described in an advanced publicity note (via IMDb): "We the people demand that the government revisit and initiates a thorough and independent investigation to the tragic events of 911. In the vein of '12 Angry Men' this dramatic piece is set with a stellar and award winning cast."

In 2007, Sheen first expressed doubt over the true events of 9/11. “I did not want to believe that my government could possibly be involved in such a thing, I could not live in a country that I thought could do that – that would be the ultimate betrayal,” he said during a 2007 appearance at We Are Change L.A. “There have been so many revelations that now I have my doubts, and chief among them is Building 7 –- how did they rig that building so that it came down on the evening of the day?”

The actor was alerted to the "inconsistencies" in the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, the cornerstone of September 11th conspiracy theories, by his son Charlie, according to Yahoo!.

Harrelson and actor Ed Asner, who will also appear in the film, have aligned themselves with the truther movement as well, according to the Guardian.

Indie Wire reports that the 9/11 conspiracy film is set to be directed by BJ Davis, whose resume includes "Charlie Sheen's Stunt Spectacular" and "Forget About It." It will be produced by John D. Schofield.

The film will be shot in one location, similar to "12 Angry Men," according to Indie Wire.
I was always very perturbed about 9/11 and the conspiracy theories. I don't think there's anything to the wild conspiracy theories, but at the same time, I don't trust the Bush Administration either.

Thoughts on the topic of the movie? Is there anything to substantiate their claims? (That way it stays here rather than in G.E.)
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After 9/11 happened (because I'm old and I was around then) I thought it made sense that the government could have had something to do with it. I saw some of the videos that claimed the towers couldn't have fallen how they did from a crash and must have been destroyed from hidden explosives, that some people in business and government acted strangely that day in a way that made it seem that they knew something was up, and how there's never been images showing what happened at the Pentagon.

Now... I dunno. I still kinda feel like there's more than we've heard. Not necessarily a conspiracy theory. I don't think a movie will have more information, don't think it will have new information. I think we'll learn more in like 30 or 50 years.
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I've always rolled my eyes at the 9/11 conspiracy theories and I can't imagine this one will be any better, even with the director of a Charlie Sheen production. <insert :rolleyes: smilie that was popular on the internet around the time of 9/11>

I've never heard a theory that was anything more than a simple "what if??". I'm perfectly content with all the explanations given for what occurred that day and I almost feel like trying to implicate the government or large corporations is a little insulting at this point. Ugh, insulting isn't even the word I'm looking for but it just seems inappropriate? Then again, I don't think it really matters at this point. I mean, I understand the need for closure and the need to place blame on whatever entity is easiest to blame but it's been so long now that I don't think it would really change very much if it DID come to light that the government was behind it at the time. I mean, what could they even do to "fix" the situation then?

That said, it's not like one film among what is probably going to be many in the years to come (as if there aren't enough already) is going to make it obvious that the perpetrator was the government/whomever all along... nor will it even raise much awareness for the idea beyond controversial hype.
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"Truther movement"? We'll I'll be glad to hear the nonsense they say this time "Uhh the towers didn't fall like anything ever resembling a controlled demolition but probably they were demolished. After all, why would a tower collapse after a 1-hour fire caused by a 767 hitting the building with tons of fuel at 500mph?? That's insane! Must have been invisible explosives that no recording anywhere in the city that day caught on tape. And all that pieces of airplane in Pennsylvania? All produced afterwards! The plane didn't fall! The people in there were taken by the CIA to the "Lost" Island!!"

There is a thing called "Occam's razor" that says: two options presented, the less insanely complex one is probably the truth. I'm going with that this time.
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Seriously? A 9/11 Conspiracy FILM? There are already all sorts of documentaries and **** on all these stupid conspiracies.
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Old October 22nd, 2012 (11:29 PM). Edited October 23rd, 2012 by Keiran.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA

"We knew about the attacks way before they happened, and the Bush Administration decided to use it as an excuse to go to war. Why else would military grade bombs be used to demolish the buildings? A plane couldn't do that. There were videos of suspicious people entering the buildings at night with unmarked vans. Why would they want war? Oil."

I don't think a film like this is really necessary. Documentaries have already covered this topic in the past decade, I don't see a reason to beat the dead horse further when the mainstream won't easily be swayed.
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I've never heard of any of the Theories other than Bush destroyed the towers for money, but that was South Park. I've also always wondered how one plane can cause an entire building to collapse, especially from so high. If it crashed closer to the middle or towards the bottom, then yeah sure, as the plane could have destroyed vital supporting collumns. I'm not a structural engineer but I know enough about Structural integrity to smell something fishy. I don't think there has to be a movie but it might open peoples eyes a bit.
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Why else would military grade bombs be used to demolish the buildings? A plane couldn't do that. There were videos of suspicious people entering the buildings at night with unmarked vans. Why would they want war? Oil.
They must have been amazing bombs. They were invisible, as nobody noticed them. They were incredibly easy to deploy, as it took 24 days to prepare the Hudson Building (26 stories, a little bit smaller than the Towers) for demolition just three years earlier- apparently these were bugged in one night without nobody noticing! And their explosion didn't cause any explosions (you know, flashes and all that stuff), nor any sound prior to the collapses! Compare a control-demolished building falling to the WTC falling.

Not to mention that controlled demolition causes buildings to collapse at free-fall speed. Which wasn't the case here.

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I've never heard of any of the Theories other than Bush destroyed the towers for money, but that was South Park. I've also always wondered how one plane can cause an entire building to collapse, especially from so high. If it crashed closer to the middle or towards the bottom, then yeah sure, as the plane could have destroyed vital supporting collumns. I'm not a structural engineer but I know enough about Structural integrity to smell something fishy. I don't think there has to be a movie but it might open peoples eyes a bit.
This should explain what happened: http://www.debunking911.com/impact.htm and http://www.debunking911.com/collapse.htm

In short, the planes did not bring the towers down- they were designed to withstand a (much less massive) impact and they did, since they took like an hour to fall after being hit. And your ideas are in part right, as the tower that was hit on a lower spot collapsed earlier. But why the collapse? Because of the gigantic fires that weakened the steel trusses supporting the building. There weren't any concrete structures supporting them so the buildings relied entriely on the steel columns. The fire didn't melt them, but it did weaken them enough for them to become unable to stand the weight of the stories over them. As such, the tower with more stories over the weak point collapsed earlier. Kind of what happens when you hold a spoon over a small fire for long enough- it doesn't melt, but it becomes weak enough for you to twist it as you want.
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I am genuinely curious to see how this is approached from a movie standpoint. I would love to see it done in a way that sticks mostly to the facts but probes speculation enough to at least make people question what they've been told a bit. I dislike that people just accept an admission of guilt as reason enough to put an end to the worst attack on American soil since the 1940s without even conducting an investigation. I have yet to ever see a thorough, independent investigation conducted regarding the attack, which really bothers me and I think is why most of these conspiracies exist to begin with. I guess I hope that this movie at least pushes people to think about what caused it to happen at the very least.
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They must have been amazing bombs. They were invisible, as nobody noticed them. They were incredibly easy to deploy, as it took 24 days to prepare the Hudson Building (26 stories, a little bit smaller than the Towers) for demolition just three years earlier- apparently these were bugged in one night without nobody noticing! And their explosion didn't cause any explosions (you know, flashes and all that stuff), nor any sound prior to the collapses!
I don't actually believe the whole controlled demolition thing, but I do believe the government knew that an attack was coming and did little to prevent it. I was summarizing their stance and beliefs and calling it a waste of time, which is what this movie is. The only documentary we needed about this was Fahrenheit 9/11 which had nothing to do with conspiracies.

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Oh boy!! I like watching these, I find them interesting.
Since I don't live in the USA, as mean as it sounds, I'm not really bothered what actually happened.
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Oh boy!! I like watching these, I find them interesting.
Since I don't live in the USA, as mean as it sounds, I'm not really bothered what actually happened.
Probably because you weren't affected. It's hard not to be indifferent when you weren't affected let alone living in the same country.

Personally, I am indifferent to it as well, possibly since I was way too young to know what was going on when it happened. I was only 6 if I remember correctly. I remember I used to naively believe that two towers side by side in our state were the twin towers and would constantly ask about why it was still up because I thought it was destroyed. I was still too young to even give a **** or think about what happened there and be bothered by it. Blissful ignorance, I guess.
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I don't actually believe the whole controlled demolition thing, but I do believe the government knew that an attack was coming and did little to prevent it. I was summarizing their stance and beliefs and calling it a waste of time, which is what this movie is. The only documentary we needed about this was Fahrenheit 9/11 which had nothing to do with conspiracies.

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I'm sorry I come off like that, but I have had a few gos at "controlled demolition" conspiranoists in some other forums and I'm a bit too defensive when it comes down to these :P My apologies.
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Probably because you weren't affected. It's hard not to be indifferent when you weren't affected let alone living in the same country.

Personally, I am indifferent to it as well, possibly since I was way too young to know what was going on when it happened. I was only 6 if I remember correctly. I remember I used to naively believe that two towers side by side in our state were the twin towers and would constantly ask about why it was still up because I thought it was destroyed. I was still too young to even give a **** or think about what happened there and be bothered by it. Blissful ignorance, I guess.
I was affected. I lost family to it, but I just honestly can't be asked the effort to argue and bother to try to say what actually happened.
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There is a thing called "Occam's razor" that says: two options presented, the less insanely complex one is probably the truth. I'm going with that this time.
So much this. I've not yet heard a theory that sounds any more realistic to me than "planes were flown into these buildings and the buildings collapsed". I mean, there are some conspiracy theories out there which sound plausible, but that's because the people who come up with these theories are able to start with absolutely anything they want to - since there's no actual, hard, proven evidence that it was the government or otherwise, then they're able to use whatever minor details they want to use to come up with a story that sounds believable. Whereas people who don't believe the conspiracy theories have the rather major detail of the, well, planes crashing into the buildings to go by.

On the topic of this film - no, I won't be watching it. I don't think I've watched any 9/11-related material 2001 because there's been so much conspiracy stuff and so much "omg what really happened" stuff that it all just seems kinda disrespectful to me. This was mass murder, not an opportunity to get views for your TV program and make money. I think it's ridiculous that this is still going on now and will be continuing in 2013 where producers have the audacity to use not just a documentary, but a full-on film, to continue making money out of this tragedy. 9/11's been turned into a gigantic money-maker for the media and it's annoying me.
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I don't actually believe the whole controlled demolition thing, but I do believe the government knew that an attack was coming and did little to prevent it.
Yep, this is my view as well.

I don't see anything enlightening about this movie apart from the fact that Woody Harrelson hasn't retired from the industry as a result of the Rampart fiasco.
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Well, the Government had been warned of the possibility of an attack many years before 9/11 occurred. Clinton had reports here and there of Al Qaeda planning missions as early as 1997-8 I believe. And CIA intelligence had the chance of an attack as 'imminent' as late as summer 2001, and CIA Director George Tenet and George Bush did nothing.
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These "truther" idiots need to give it up already. The truth was that bad guys, which our intelligence confirmed were on the plane AND connected to al-Qaeda, hijacked the planes as an anti-American statement. When it being the World Trade Center angered more than just the USA.

They really need to give it up. It has been 11 years. When more stuff is found out, it'll come out. They don't need to press lies upon the American public anymore.
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These "truther" idiots need to give it up already
They should also give up the "birther" thing while they're at it.
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These "truther" idiots need to give it up already. The truth was that bad guys, which our intelligence confirmed were on the plane AND connected to al-Qaeda, hijacked the planes as an anti-American statement. When it being the World Trade Center angered more than just the USA.

They really need to give it up. It has been 11 years. When more stuff is found out, it'll come out. They don't need to press lies upon the American public anymore.
Calling truthers "idiots" is not a very smart way to make a political statement. How many declassified government documents have you read into the matter? Conspiracies do exist, and if they're responsible, they do not intend to reveal the truth without a fight.

I'm not going to deny some people are just Alex Jones listeners who just parrot what he says, but I have a copy with me right now "63 documents the Government doesn't want you to read", and right now I'm reading an August 6th 2001 letter given directly to former-president Bush entitled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" talking about Bin Laden's desire to hijack a US aircraft.

Now, it's possible George Bush is just plain an idiot, but you also have to consider he was working with Dick Cheney. Do you have any idea who Dick Cheney even is? He was the deputy of Donald Rumsfield during the 1970s. The two prosecuted the whistleblower Seymour Hersh, who was leaking the CIA's (illegal) plot to assassinate foreign leaders, as well as various MKUltra subjects.

Now, think about it for a moment. This was in the 1970s. Our own CIA was caught trying to assassinate foreign leaders. The CIA should have been investigated, but instead Dick Cheney claimed "national security", and prosecuted Seymour Hersh without any guilt whatsoever? So Dick Cheney actually condones trying to assassinate foreign leaders? And that PSYCHOPATH was our vice-president during the events of 9/11!?

It's possible we could have had that psychopath be our VP during the events of 9/11 without him being behind it, but only 4 months before 9/11, Donald Rumsfield, our secretary of defense at the time, issued an order requiring his approval for any "potentially lethal support... in the event of an aircraft piracy." And guess what he did on 9/11? The "stand down" order not to take down the aircraft they knew was going to hit the building.

Now, okay, maybe there was some reason for standing down that I'm not reading here. But then we have the issue of Building 7. It was NOT hit by a plane! And yet it fell free-fall? I'm not familiar with physics, so I cannot argue. However, I thought "Free fall can only be achieved if there is zero resistance to the motion?" The only way that is possible is through a controlled demolition, and whether it was perpetrated by our government, Al-Qaeda, or the Russians, it was still a controlled demolition! That's the simple laws of physics! I want to see building 7 reproduced before I believe otherwise.

People cry "conspiracy" because people like Dick Cheney actually condones conspiracy. And if for some reason you still don't think something is messed up, imagine if Ahdaminajad or Vladamir Putin was caught red handed with a plot to assassinate Nettanyahu or Israel or Stephen Harper of Canada?

The Americans do not have the legal power to assassinate anyone. American or foreign. Assassinating a foreign official is formal declaration of war, and we should be grateful the Soviets didn't launch any nukes at us when we tried to assassinate Fidel Castro!

In short, I'm not saying the government did 9/11, nor am I denying terrorists took down the Twin Towers. I'm just saying suspicion does not make someone an idiot because sometimes it's actually justified. If I said the CIA practiced mind control on unconsenting individuals, you would probably laugh. But the truth is such operations actually did happen (mostly during the 1950s), and it turned out people who were suspicious ended up revealing one of the most atrocious crimes in American history!

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I could go on and on about this and if you people want me to post what I believe I will some of it you may agree with some of it you might not, but I'm tired of posting my views in long paragraphs only to have them deleted...

Bottom line the stories we have gotten about 9/11 didn't quite add up or make logical sense..

But when people try to debunk the stories they keep pressing one issue even when we explain thats not the case then they bring up some random facts, if and when this crap is proved that it was allowed to happen then everyone will know.

I hate people that willingly ignore the truth, because the truth is a little "out there", in life the truth is never black and white when it comes to something like this and they easiest thing to do when someone finds out the truth and you didn't want them to find out is to call them a conspiracy nut job and dismiss them..

I wasn't gonna do this but I changed my mind.

Lets start off at the pentagon, its been said by career pilots and many other flight instructors that a plane could not fly that low to the ground and monuver let alone hit the side of the pentagon at the speeds they claim. Secondly, where are all the parts of the plane at the crash, not even half the plane would have hit the pentagon so where are the engines? where is the tail the back part of the plane? Shouldn't that be scattered on the lawn? Also how does one of the most secure building with plenty of cameras somewhere probably over 100 and none of them on that side of the building were working that day? Seriously? It just doesn't make any sense? Not logically anyways...

Here are pics of the pentagon after the attack: http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagonpictures.html

Lets move onto the white house, your telling me that is the only plane that conveniently got taken down by the passengers? Really? The one plane that was supped to hit the most sacred building in America and these people rather die that see that happen? I doubt it. Also this plane was crashed on purpose even after they regained control?

Okay about the towers, I honestly don't know how a building falls strait down unless its demolished, most buildings fall sideways or on an angle but these buildings both fell the same and they were hit at different heights and different locations. Also they were hit towards the top and while I'll admit their was alot of weight pressing on the lower levels the tops were not enough weight for the tops to take down the entire buildings. at least the floors below 40 floors should have remained standing... Also most people forget the tower withstood a bombing in 1993 and it barely caused any damage...

Okay about the whole situation when the flight tower loses contact with the plane they immediately contact the air force and scramble jets, this was protocol before 9/11 that never happened I don't think their was ever a jet in the air the whole time... Also how is it possible to get through a metal detector with a box cutter, they beep. Another thing is really they high jacked a plane with a small ass knife? Really? That phone call from the plane was bs too.

This could have been prevented and I could stay more but I asked enough questions that I know I wont get a direct answer to yet alone an answer that will make sense with the evidence that isn't convenient.
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My concern with 9/11 films in general is they sometimes jump to conclusion and announce theories as fact.

We know Dick Cheney has been involved with conspiracy in the past, but we don't have proof he was responsible for 9/11.... Yet!

We know Islamic extremists attacked us on 9/11. That is because we actually have declassified government documents announcing Bin Laden's intentions. So the real question in my opinion is why didn't we do anything, and how did a plane strike on the twin towers cause it to fall at free-fall speeds? How, furthermore, did building 7 collapse?

I'm not doubting Islamic extremists attacked us because that is what actually happened. But the collapse of the WTC doesn't make sense at all! Did an external factor want Al-Qaeda to attack us because it would be a decoy?
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Molten aluminum is highly explosive with water and other metals... Hey... you know what was aluminum? The fuselage! And when the internal sprinkler system was set off... molten aluminum rushed into a building over water, which would create a violent explosion that would also violently react with other metals used in the construction of the building. Ergo... a simple plane crash could have been enough. As for the parts of the planes that did not retain heat damage... it's simple: upon impact they were wrenched from the main body of the plane and sent to the ground--out of the raging inferno that consumed the actual buildings.

That being said... I would watch that new film with a whole box of salt next to you...
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Quote originally posted by Lishy:
My concern with 9/11 films in general is they sometimes jump to conclusion and announce theories as fact.

We know Dick Cheney has been involved with conspiracy in the past, but we don't have proof he was responsible for 9/11.... Yet!

We know Islamic extremists attacked us on 9/11. That is because we actually have declassified government documents announcing Bin Laden's intentions. So the real question in my opinion is why didn't we do anything, and how did a plane strike on the twin towers cause it to fall at free-fall speeds? How, furthermore, did building 7 collapse?

I'm not doubting Islamic extremists attacked us because that is what actually happened. But the collapse of the WTC doesn't make sense at all! Did an external factor want Al-Qaeda to attack us because it would be a decoy?
Nothing caused the towers to collapse at free-fall speed because they didn't collapse at free-fall speed, as you can easily see by watching the video of their collapse with a chronometre at hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qLShZOvxVe4

Also I think this should explain the WTC7 collapse from a technical viewpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8

It's true that the Bush Administration had warnings about Al-Qaeda and they were ignored, but you need a big dose of imagination to say that the attack itself was "an inside job", and not a gigantic security failure.
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