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Old August 18th, 2013 (04:55 PM).
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I would like Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic, Chespin Grass/Dark, and Froakie Water/Flying.
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Fennekin. Decided on this the second I saw it in the announcement trailer. I've almost always picked the Fire-type starter but I wasn't too fond of Tepig.
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I was originally planning to pick Fennekin, but after some deliberation I have chosen to start with Chespin. I don't really care what his evolutions are going to look like because he is one of the most adorable things ever <3 I cannot wait to conquer the Kalos region with him!
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Quote originally posted by jellicentfan1:
I was originally planning to pick Fennekin, but after some deliberation I have chosen to start with Chespin. I don't really care what his evolutions are going to look like because he is one of the most adorable things ever <3 I cannot wait to conquer the Kalos region with him!
Same thing happened to me at the start as well, I originally settled on Chespin as my fave Kalos starter but in recent months (even more thanks to the badass portrayal of him in the XY anime trailer) my favoritism of the Kalos starters seems to have shifted to Froakie. I thought he looked ugly at first, especially in comparison to the last Water starter (Oshawott) but after I saw various fanart floating around my thoughts on Froakie did change and due to my Water-type favoritism he easily became my new fave of the bunch.

I am hoping he gets an awesome evolution because you can expect loads of potential from this froggy, like how he's shown inflating his bubble collar or even throwing them as weapons a la Oshawott's scalchop. Can't wait to use him on my first playthrough!
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The only thing I'm concerned about at this point (and I'm sure I've made this clear to a number of people) is that Chespin at least gets an awesome Grass/Rock evolution. If not, Grass/Fighting or Grass/Ground would do just fine, but preferably the former, it seems it would be an excellent Shell Smash user. That's my dream starter, anyway. xD;
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The only thing I'm concerned about at this point (and I'm sure I've made this clear to a number of people) is that Chespin at least gets an awesome Grass/Rock evolution. If not, Grass/Fighting or Grass/Ground would do just fine, but preferably the former, it seems it would be an excellent Shell Smash user. That's my dream starter, anyway. xD;

I think Grass/Rock would really be amazing. Fire, Flying, and Ground attacks would all hit for neutral damage and would make the Chespin family really unique.
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Chespin is blowing my mind. Every Grass Starter is supposed to be reptilian but this guy is a mole thing! DOES NOT COMPUTE! ERROR! ERROR! If it is to become a reptile, it will probably evolve into some ankylosaurus-type thing.

I first picked Chespin because, despite the little rant above, I love its design. It's simple, it has a good color scheme, and it looks cheery. But I think I like Fennekin just a smidge more, so I think I'll be picking that one. Of course, I'll make sure my Fennekin is girl so I can breed it and then trade it for a Chespin B)
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CHESPIN
Tackle, Growl, Vine Whip, Rollout, Wood Hammer, Solarbeam, Leech Seed, Aerial Ace, Pin Missile ( this last move is NOT confirmed, it was noted by a supposed demo participant.)

The evolution typing could be dark, as stated in the pokebeach leak. Though, if we don't factor that leak, the possiblities are vast. It could be any combination of dark, rock, steel, perhaps others. Aerial Ace and Pin Missile are literally no help! If fairy is confimed to be super-effective on dark, that would mean a 7 type weakness, along with a X4 weakess to Bug if it becomes a grass/dark!!!

I am rooting for Rock or Steel. A type that would be better associated with armor. Though a "dark knight" motif is a possibility.

FENNEKIN
Scratch, Tail Whip, Ember, Howl, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Psychic, Glow Punch, Psybeam, Flame Charge

It has glowing, magical looking tufts, and it learns several psychic moves. Additionally, the names that appear to be likely true, allude to magical fox for it's evolutions' name origin. I can't see this pokemon being anything else, especially a fighting type :p

FROAKIE
Pound, Growl, Bubble, Quick Attack, Hydro Pump, Bounce, Water Pulse, Lick, Round

It seems like Flying or Fighting could be an additional typing for evolutions.

It's noted that this pokemon is know for jumping at high altitudes. This can be associated with flying type. This could also be associated with jumping an enemy, ninjas are known for their stealthy jumping techniques. Additionally, it seems to be throwing shuriken (throwing stars) with it's bubble coat. Which, still could go either way since they look like clouds, but generally there is a strong fighting-ninja vibe, look at the pokemon selection video. It makes a clear clear jujitsu gesture! Plus, the description also describes him as duplicitous, in that he feigns his absent-mindedness in order to deceive his foes. Who knows, it could be a water/flying with a high attack and physical move pool.
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Quote originally posted by Fenneking:
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Pound, Growl, Bubble, Quick Attack, Hydro Pump, Bounce, Water Pulse, Lick, Round

It seems like Flying or Fighting could be an additional typing for evolutions.

It's noted that this pokemon is know for jumping at high altitudes. This can be associated with flying type. This could also be associated with jumping an enemy, ninjas are known for their stealthy jumping techniques. Additionally, it seems to be throwing shuriken (throwing stars) with it's bubble coat. Which, still could go either way since they look like clouds, but generally there is a strong fighting-ninja vibe, look at the pokemon selection video. It makes a clear clear jujitsu gesture! Plus, the description also describes him as duplicitous, in that he feigns his absent-mindedness in order to deceive his foes. Who knows, it could be a water/flying with a high attack and physical move pool.
Do you have a source for these movepools? This is groundbreaking news for me, and I really, really, REALLY want to discuss this with my friends, although I need a source before wasting their time.

Politoed can learn Bounce, so that doesn't mean much. If Froakkie could learn Aerial Ace (general filler flying move anything can learn, along with being like a ninja slash) or Air Cutter (shuriken made out of wind), there'd be more merit to this theory. (But then again, it's evolutions could learn more flying-type moves.)

I still believe that Froakkie is the most likely candidate for being mono-typed. Unfortunate, yes, but 80% regions have had at least one mono-typed starter. Regardless of typing, ninja Froakkie would be awesome.
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Old August 21st, 2013 (06:41 PM).
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Do you have a source for these movepools? This is groundbreaking news for me, and I really, really, REALLY want to discuss this with my friends, although I need a source before wasting their time.

Politoed can learn Bounce, so that doesn't mean much. If Froakkie could learn Aerial Ace (general filler flying move anything can learn, along with being like a ninja slash) or Air Cutter (shuriken made out of wind), there'd be more merit to this theory. (But then again, it's evolutions could learn more flying-type moves.)

I still believe that Froakkie is the most likely candidate for being mono-typed. Unfortunate, yes, but 80% regions have had at least one mono-typed starter. Regardless of typing, ninja Froakkie would be awesome.
They were some of the moves used in the demo shown earlier this week.

Also I agree with your assumption of Froakie being mono typed, thus far only one out of five generation have had all dual typed Pokemon. Coincidently the dual waters have appeared in generation where on of the mascots of the twin versions has been water while having a typing of the other mascot...(Swampert having Water/Ground while the duo mascots are Ground and Water, and Empoleon having Water/Steel with the duo mascots being Steel/Dragon and Water/Dragon (Interestingly Gen 1 doesn't count as in japan the duo versions were Charzard and Venusaur).).
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So did anyone notice this in the anime trailer?

Notice Anything Odd??


If not, look at this frame:
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NINJA BUBBLE MASKKK!!!!!!!

I was just overly focused on the animation of the smoke bombs or shuriken, I never noticed this.


I am starting to love Froakie now too!
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I wonder if it really is going to be a Fighting type? Man, that would be interesting as all heck! You know what? I'm going to go look up some Japanese myths about frogs and see what they entail, and if any bear resemblance to Froakie...

Frogs resemble good luck (which would explain my Lucky Frog in Animal Crossing :D), and may also resemble longing/returning to places of origin. Origin of Pokemon would go all the way back to Gen 1 perhaps. So maybe Froakie will bear resemblance to Blastoise and be only a Water Type (this is sounding like babble without a foundation, isn't it?). Or maybe it will even resemble an early concept for a Pokemon that never even made it into a Pokemon. I'll keep looking...

This is Farfetch'd, but there is a legend about a man who can shapeshift into a toad to fight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiraiya

Really, I'm just pulling at straws because that's all I can find. It's better to just wait for the rest of the two months lol
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Quote originally posted by Fenneking:
So did anyone notice this in the anime trailer?

Notice Anything Odd??


If not, look at this frame:
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NINJA BUBBLE MASKKK!!!!!!!

I was just overly focused on the animation of the smoke bombs or shuriken, I never noticed this.


I am starting to love Froakie now too!
No wonder Froakie became my fave Kalos starter lately, I had a feeling it would have a ninja motif to it. It seems to be able to use those bubbles on its collar to both attack and defend which is kinda cool, sorta reminds me how Oshawott uses its scalchop as a sword, a shield and even a boomerang.

I bet the bubbles are fired like shuriken, and if that wasn't enough to confirm a ninja motif I found this image on Tumblr:



Notice the pose Froakie does in his animation when chosen in the starter selection screen, and I think he even does a ninja-like pose when he gets sent out of the Poke Ball, so I yeah I'm definitely seeing him giving off a ninja frog vibe. I'm looking forward to using him when I play the games!

Also, if one sees the battle against Serena in the X & Y demo videos on YouTube, her starter is female, same going with Shauna. So could this mean Kalos will have the first trio of starters to have 50-50 gender ratios? I know that any Pokemon with a 50-50 chance of being either gender are always the same gender as their trainer if used by an NPC.
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No wonder Froakie became my fave Kalos starter lately, I had a feeling it would have a ninja motif to it. It seems to be able to use those bubbles on its collar to both attack and defend which is kinda cool, sorta reminds me how Oshawott uses its scalchop as a sword, a shield and even a boomerang.

I bet the bubbles are fired like shuriken, and if that wasn't enough to confirm a ninja motif I found this image on Tumblr:



Notice the pose Froakie does in his animation when chosen in the starter selection screen, and I think he even does a ninja-like pose when he gets sent out of the Poke Ball, so I yeah I'm definitely seeing him giving off a ninja frog vibe. I'm looking forward to using him when I play the games!

Also, if one sees the battle against Serena in the X & Y demo videos on YouTube, her starter is female, same going with Shauna. So could this mean Kalos will have the first trio of starters to have 50-50 gender ratios? I know that any Pokemon with a 50-50 chance of being either gender are always the same gender as their trainer if used by an NPC.
I sure hope so, it's not fair that starters are mostly male...especially those that look more feminine like Chikorita...
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I sure hope so, it's not fair that starters are mostly male...especially those that look more feminine like Chikorita...
I'd be surprised if they changed things up this gen, the reason starters were mostly male was mainly to try and limit the breeding of them until one got a Ditto. Most of them even had male-looking appearances to begin with, Chikorita being a notable exception.

Most people see Fennekin as the feminine-looking one of the Kalos starters so I'd imagine most Fennekin fans wanting females. But yeah interesting thing to point out there, about Serena and Shauna having female starters.

But also, going by that video this might show that Shauna picks the starter weak to yours while Calem/Serena (depending on your gender) takes the one strong against yours. I'd still wonder what Tierno and Trevor would have assuming they don't get the other two starters.
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Honestly, I'm going to go for Fennekin, because the starters really don't look so great this time around. Here are my current starters:

Gen1: Charmander
Reason: Charizard is epic, and Charmander can learn Metal Claw (to defeat Brock and also if you catch a Pikachu in Viridian Forest, then the rival is easy)

Gen2: Cyndaquil
Reason: Quilava is SO CUTE XD.

Gen3: Mudkip
Reason: None of them were SUPER great, but Mudkip is fun. (and I herd u liek mudkipz too bro)

Gen4: Turtwig
Reason: Ground type allows for defeating the rival easily, and it's the easiest to battle with.

Gen5: Oshawott
Reason: Samurott is EPIC 2-DA MAX. When I first saw it I was like "aw yea legendary" even though I found out it wasn't.

Gen6 (so far): Fennekin
Reason: It's the best design, Chespin looks OK, and Froakie looks weird (but cool)

My thoughts on the 2-type thing:

Chespin: Grass/Ground
Fennekin: Fire/Psychic
Froakie: Water/Fighting

Even though the second trio doesn't work out like Dark/Psy/Fight does, it is more realistic, based off what I see right now.
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"The Tale of the Gallant Jiraiya"

He is a ninja who uses shapeshifting magic to morph into a gigantic toad. As the heir of a powerful clan in Kyūshū of the same name, Jiraiya fell in love with Tsunade (綱手), a beautiful young maiden who masters slug magic. His arch-enemy was his one-time follower Yashagorō (夜叉五郎), later known as Orochimaru (大蛇丸), who mastered serpent magic (the kanji 大蛇 literally mean "giant snake" or "serpent").

This toad/ninja motif is VERY popular in Japanese video games, television, and other forms of media.

The story has been featured most notably in Naruto playing out several of the characters from the story.



Lastly, the story describes the toad character as a Robin Hood of sorts. He uses his stealth and powers to oppose the ruling classes as a chivalrous robber. The story is heavily pertinent to kings, crowns, thrones, ect. This could really transcend to French/European royal history and culture. Additionally, he lovely wife fought along side him as a magician.

So now we have the knight, the mage(magician), and the Thief (ninja)

Ninja, just didn't fit the motif at first, but now, with the background of a stealthy robin-hood inspired character, the reference makes sense and connects to the European theme. I have a feeling with the drawbridges and castles in the Kalos map, we might see more medieval or royal motifs. Fairies also allude to medieval royalty folklore.

For evolutions, I could see Froakie go into the whole frog prince/toad king motif as well. Going with a less conventional royalty, "the king of thieves".
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When I saw Fennekin I said, okay I'm gonna choose this. But now I love Froakie too. It's gonna be a tough decision. And I think if they add a type to Froakie's evolutions this will be /Fighting. It will be interesting cause if Fennekin's evo is Fire/Psychic and Froakie's Water/Fighting then no one has an advantage haha
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I'm most likely going to be going with a fire type as my starter, but honestly, a lot of what I'll choose as my starter depends on what kind of pokemon are available later in game, such as a grass, water or fire type.
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I'm most likely going to be going with a fire type as my starter, but honestly, a lot of what I'll choose as my starter depends on what kind of pokemon are available later in game, such as a grass, water or fire type.
I think the same way. That's why I'm not gonna pick Fenny on my first playthrough, cause there are a lot of fire types already in the game that I'd like to use.
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Im pretty sure Froakie will be water/fighting and its evolution is like a ninja frog!
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I honestly wouldn't want for Fennekin to be Fire/Psychic. Obviously, I don't want it to be Fire/Fighting. However, I think that making it Fire/Psychic would basically be like Nintendo saying: "welp, here's another Ninetales." I think it really should be Fire/Fairy. If Fairy types are strong against Fighting types, it would be a good way to balance it out. That is, if Froakie's evolutions are Water/Fighting.

I actually think either Fennekin or Chespin is going to be secondary Fairy type. It'd be a good way to promote the new type and all. Plus, what better species to be Fairy types? A small, cute fox and a small, cute woodland creature? Yeah, one of those just screams Fairy.

You know, the hoodie on Chespin makes me think of a Little Red Riding Hood motif, with its evolution eventually being the Big Bad "Wolf." A Fairy type being based on a fairy tale? Huh?
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