Evolution/Pre-evolution Speculation

[Jake♫]

I'd be pretty happy with that number. I don't want this region's dex to be overflooding with new evolutions/pre-evolutinos anyways. I'd rather have more new Pokémon with a handful of old ones getting some buffs.

[Twilight Sky]

I'm the same way. I'd like to see a lot of evolutions for variety purposes, but not too many because I wouldn't want it to be overkill by any means.

But I've come up with a strange idea for an evolution...do you think that the Bellsprout line should be given the Oddish line treatment? You know, split-evolutions? When Bellsprout evolves into Weepingbell, would you like it to evolve into some sort of different plant from there, or...?

I hope I'm making sense here. u_u

[Jake♫]

I was actually pretty surprised that they didn't do that originally in GSC when Bellossom was introduced. It's pretty fair to say they are counterparts to one another (since they have different version exclusivity as the Grass/Poison types), and both appeared in the GSC games. I'd love to see Weepinbell be given an alternate evolution to Victrebell, although I have no idea what it would evolve into.

[Forever]

I think Bellsprout line is long gone, imo. Victreebel is great as it is and a second evolution just seems pointless because Weepinbel doesn't really look like it can go any other way.

[Jake♫]

Then again did it really appear from Gloom that it would evolve into anything but Vileplume? It's definitely possible, but you're probably right that's it's passed its time.

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by Zet

It would be interesting to see pre-evolution forms of the starter pokemon.

…especially if they went multiple levels deep. Imagine having one region's starters' shared pre-evolution share a pre-evolution with another region's starters' shared pre-evolution. Or the starters might not all need to be related directly to each other (you can always go through Mew, even though evolution doesn't work that way.)

Originally Posted by Suicune™

I'd like to see this get both a Pre-evolution & Evolution, it's got so much potential too.

I think that Maractus should be evolutionarily linked to Cacnea and Cacturn. I mean, come on, they're all cactus Pokémon!

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel

…especially if they went multiple levels deep. Imagine having one region's starters' shared pre-evolution share a pre-evolution with another region's starters' shared pre-evolution. Or the starters might not all need to be related directly to each other (you can always go through Mew, even though evolution doesn't work that way.)

Starters can't have Pre-evolutions. They are already in 3 stage sets.

Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel

I think that Maractus should be evolutionarily linked to Cacnea and Cacturn. I mean, come on, they're all cactus Pokémon!

Same base doesn't mean same species. Pikachu, Rattatta, and Sandshrew are all mouse Pokemon. By that they should all share an evolutionary family.

This is of course ignoring the fact that no Gen 5 Pokemon are related to older generation Pokemon as stated by the creators.

I doubt we'll ever get any linking between Gen 5 and past generation Pokemon.

[Jake♫]

Just to add onto this, just because things LOOK like they should be linked (which many people still won't stop about Luvdisc and Alomomola), it doesn't mean that they are going to link them for fan service. Besides, Maractus looks NOTHING like Cacnea and Caturne do, so that wouldn't make sense for it to be any sort of evolution to the two of them.

And I don't see there being multiple links for pre-evolutions of things into random families like you were suggesting. For starters, it'd make zero sense for the starters to have a common link to evolve into everything (for both the already existing three-stage evolution). Honestly just sounds ridiculous to me =x

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by Scarf

Please give a Crobat-like evolution for Swoobat. I love that line, but it's so frail and frustrating to use.

Lots of branching evolutions would be great. I would love to see lines that we already think of as complete have new ones added to them, like Gallade does on the Ralts line.

Woobat/Swoobat look similar to Zubat/Golbat/Crobat, but have fur, and have similar names. Can we get a common pre-evolution for these two lines?

[Jake♫]

No. Zubat's line is already three stages, it's not going to be given any sort of new pre-evolution or evolution. However I'd definitely be fine giving the Woobat line a third evolution similar to the friendship one of Crobat.

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by Raichupacabra

I think they should include pre-evolutions and evolutions to Pokemon that certainly need them, such as Farfetch'd. Hopefully they don't pull a Generation IV and have a huge number of the new Pokemon as evolutions and pre-evolutions.

Yeah; if they do have a large number of pre- and post-evolution Pokémon star in the new region's PokéDex, then that number of evolution-affected Pokémon from previous generations had better be balanced out with about an equal number (or maybe twice as many) new Pokémon as new evolutions and pre-evolutions.

Originally Posted by DarkRisingGirl

If Pinsir gets an evolution, so should Heracross. Who really doesn't need one seeing as how strong it already is. I like your more Rotoms idea though!

I think that Pinsir and Heracross should share a pre-evolution even if they both get post-evolutions.

[Twilight Sky]

Definitely okay with Woobat getting third evolution of some sort. Possibly worried about it being kind of too bulky mind you (Calm Mind scares me), but I don't think it'll be too much of a problem.

One thing though, I was always curious about Sandslash having something but...nah. Probably something bigger and more fierce-looking, maybe. It has potential after all for a third stage, but I just don't see how it would fair design-wise..

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by Cerberus87

I don't think there'll be new evolutions of anything unless they have an evolution theme going on. Which is actually quite likely, since X and Y point to genetics...

Evolutions are a way to balance bad Pokémon. In older gens this was necessary, for example in 1st gen, Pokémon like Seadra and Onix were quite bad, so they needed evolutions. Prior to 4th gen there were a lot of Pokémon like Tangela and Lickitung which were fairly useless, and got new evos.

But 4th gen was an interesting one because the whole theme of the series was evolution (Professor Rowan being an evolution specialist) and there were more than 10 new evolutions introduced. Technically, anything with a BST of 500 or less which hasn't yet evolved twice can get new evos.

As for Eevee, they need a new method of evolution for a new stage. Maybe a new item as well.

Why does GameFreak limit Pokémon to only two evolutions? I mean, it does make sense that some people wouldn't find themselves able to keep track of more than that, but evolution trees could do some cool things if this limitation were removed. They could split more than two times (although I don't think any splits have affected any evolutionary tree more than once; it would be cool to see this happen,) and they could also connect similar evolutionary trees via shared pre-evolutions that aren't currently possible due to this limitation (most of the electric rodents could get share a prevo even with the limitation in place, I think, and that might foreshadow the limitation's removal.)

[Jake♫]

Because you're now changing how evolution has worked for five generations of games. Splitting things just for the sake of doing it isn't going to add anything to the games except unneeded complexity that is going to confuse people. Just because people think things looks similar doesn't mean they're related, and going back to change them for fan service is just a silly thing to do. If they meant for similar things to be related than they would be.

As far as other evolutions go, I'd love to see one given to the Clefairy and Jigglypuff lines. They definitely aren't needed and are extremely unlikely since they evolve from a stone, but I'd just like to see some more of them.

[Twilight Sky]

I can imagine Clefable having so much more potential having an evolution. I'd hate bringing up repetitive arguments, but Eviolite with Magic Guard is more of a reason why Clefable would be more formidable in battle with an evolution. That, and I believe it has Wish, right (it would be stupid if it didn't, not even going to like here)? That would only benefit Clefable even more.

Wigglytuff on the other hand, I believe it's more or less the same thing since I believe it's a more...physical version of Clefable, if I'm correct. I'm not too sure on Wigglytuff, because I always saw it as kind of useless one way or another, sadly. Let's hoping that an evolution changes that for the poor thing. :(

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238

Yes Lumineon should get an evo, everybody always seems to forget Lumineon.

I was thinking it would be interesting if Phione got an evo, unrelated to Manaphy.

Speaking of Manaphy and Phione, I think that the reason that breeding a female Manaphy gives you a Phione egg is because the evolution linking them hasn't been introduced. If it were, though, then it could inspire a split in the evolutionary line that currently contains these two. The only problem with that is that Manaphy is supposed to be some sort of event Pokémon, right? But then, it doesn't seem very legendary, so maybe something of the above sort would work out. Could the dilemma be solved by only allowing Phione to evolve either with or in a specific item or area only available via special distribution?

Originally Posted by Musica

How about a Latios and Latias baby? :D Like a Phione from Manaphy.

Originally Posted by Suicune™

I'm surprised Jynx didn't get an evolution, Magmar, Electabuzz, Togetic, Rhyhorn & Tangela all got them and they have very similar characteristics. I think Jynx is fine as it is but I would have imagined an evolution if all of those got one.

Now that you guys mention Togepi's evolutionary line, it reminds that I've always wondered why the Latis resemble it so strikingly. Maybe we could extend the mechanism of which I thought earlier onto it and then add a gender-based evolution split to the evolutionary tree on top of that…but it probably won't ever happen, especially since legendaries are supposed to stand alone, evolutionarily speaking.

Originally Posted by CrystalRose

I'd like to see a Farfetch'd evolution... he pretty much got left behind.

…or Farfetch'd could somehow gain a link to Delibird, like I mentioned before? I mean it: they're both meals on wings, the poor things!

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire

I also agree, I wanted Masqerain to be Water/Bug back in Gen III. I was disappointed to see my masqurain not be Water/Bug any longer .
Oh and they should also give an alternate to Nincada (not countring Shedinja) that's Bug/Ground still. And while they're at it give Sheinja an evolution...one in which it get's 500 hp which would blow everyone away!

But…Shedinja's not really alive, is he? He's…just a shell, right?

Originally Posted by Forever

I kind of doubt that. While both are very cute and such, I think they just fit right with the two evolutions and if they were changed, I'm not sure I'd prefer the alternates given that the originals fit SO NICELY.

Maybe they could share a pre-evolution?

[Sabrewulf238]

Originally Posted by Forever

I think Bellsprout line is long gone, imo. Victreebel is great as it is and a second evolution just seems pointless because Weepinbel doesn't really look like it can go any other way.

As has been said I don't think Gloom evolving into Bellossom is that obvious. If I didn't know they were related I doubt I would make the connection myself.

It wouldn't be the first time a pokemon evolved into something that looked nothing like it's previous forms.

[XanderO]

Clefairy and Jigglypuff could get alternate evolutions since they are already the second stage of their lines.

Swoobat already evolves by happiness so if she evolves again it'll be by stone (Togetic to Togekiss) or by item.

Manaphy is Genderless. Phione is supposed to be a seperate species through combining Ditto's DNA with Manaphy's. Since Phione is considered a Legendary Pokemon by Gamefreak and TPC, she won't be getting an evolution.

I still doubt Pokemon that evolve by Stone will evolve further. So very little to no chance of Clefable evolving further not to mention she's already the third form in an evolution.

[Sabrewulf238]

Do you think Dugtrio should get an evolution? I just checked and it has a base stat total of 405. Looks like it could do with a boost.

I would hope the evolution keeps the same face though.

[Miss Doronjo]

Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238

Do you think Dugtrio should get an evolution? I just checked and it has a base stat total of 405. Looks like it could do with a boost.

I would hope the evolution keeps the same face though.

Maybe, but how can that work? Having a pokemon with 6 different heads?

[Jake♫]

Originally Posted by XanderO

I still doubt Pokemon that evolve by Stone will evolve further. So very little to no chance of Clefable evolving further not to mention she's already the third form in an evolution.

Wow I'm smart and forgot about the existence of Igglybuff and Cleffa! Yeah, they're definitely not going to get evolutions then =P

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by Blaqoon

Cacturne needs an evolution for sure. He has no staying power right now.

How about something to do with Maractus? Some of the Gen. V Pokés need to acknowledge the previous generations' existence.

[Jake♫]

Again, the two, other than being cactus Pokémon, don't look similar. Generation Five was meant to be a new beginning, so linking things to previous generations isn't going to happen, regardless how much people complain about how some Pokémon should be related.

However, I would still love a Cacturne evolution =P

[RandomDSdevel]

Originally Posted by PokémonShinySilver

I just kind of wonder if Cryogonal will get either a pre-evolution or an evolved form? It would be rather interesting to see a new evolution of Cryogonal, knowing that it doesn't have a pre-evolution and doesn't evolve.

Either that, or a new form: what happens to Cryogonal in Sunny weather? Doesn't he melt? What would that look like?

Originally Posted by Aerilyn

By the way, how many of you have seen this? Words can't describe how much I want this to happen.

The Lapras pre-evo looks kind of like a Mew with a shell swimming…

[vaporeon7]

I would understand and a pre-evolution for Lapras, but not an evolution. Iicr, Lapras has the highest BST of all Pokémon with no evolutionary relatives. If it got a pre-evo, I think it'd be similar to how Munchlax's stats are.