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Old February 15th, 2013, 08:39 AM
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Mmm, well, I guess the main problem with adding new types is that incorporating a new type in Gen VI would take so much more work than it did in Gen II. Gen I into Gen II had 150 pre-existing Pokemon, two of which had Steel retrofitted onto them. Gen I had no IVs to speak of, so Hidden Power couldn't have been an issue. Gen VI has almost six times the Pokemon Gen I had, without adding any new Pokemon. There are detailed IV and Hidden Power mechanics that rely on the type chart as it is now. I'm not saying a new type is impossible, and I'm no programmer, but it seems to me that the amount of work involved in throwing in a new type would be pretty ridiculous.

My opinion about these balanced issues; I'd like to ask, is everything as balanced as we're going to get, or can it be more balanced? To be fair, I really wouldn't go out and say that everything right now is "balanced" because I don't think anything can be truly "balanced" in sense that people would always use the next best thing in order to win, especially when it comes to pokemon, because people don't normally use pokemon in high tiers that are about 2x weak to stealth rock with a ton of weaknesses (ie. pure Ice, Fire and Bug typed pokemon) which is why I'm thinking that anything can be fair game, including new types, at this point of speculations.
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Old February 15th, 2013, 08:57 AM
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When I say balance, I mean with the amount of weaknesses and advantages we have with the types now, I'm not counting tiers and such cause that's a whole other park that always has some iffiness in it because of it being entirely fanmade and such xD

Should've made that clear, I apologize *n*

I mean like... Grass is weak to Ice, Fire, Bug, Flying, and Poison, but strong against Water, Ground, Rock. That's not an even ratio, but with how common Water, Ground, and Rock are, it's pretty even to me. But if Light-type is added, how will it affect all of the other types? Would it be neutral, strong, or weak? Would it resist anything or be resisted by anything?

Figuring that out is simple enough but like you mentioned Miss Doronjo, it seems more unlikely with each generation we progress through just because of the amount of work that would have to be done. That's a really good point with the IVs and such too, I hadn't thought of that but that does seem to make it more unlikely.

That's why I think Sylveon won't be a new type, and a new type won't be introduced, because of how soon Gen VI is coming out after Gen V. They could have been working on it since the 3DS was announced, or heck even before then, but I just don't see it happening.
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Old February 15th, 2013, 09:23 AM
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I would like "Fairy" typing instead of "light". The moveset would be larger since there are both good and evil "fairy" mythical creatures. They would be able to go back and type some of the older mons too like clefairy, jigglypuff, chansey, and audino.
Fairy type would be... unique. But I don't think it'd be that necessary. ;( I can't really see many advantages to a fairy typing, and it just sends a kid-ish message which Pokemon isn't necessarily trying to display, given that they're aiming it at a wider audience from the looks of the protagonists and that generally little boys won't really want fairy Pokemon, and would rather have dark/fire/steel, aka strong stuff. It may be unfair but it's true and how they'd be perceived.
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Old February 15th, 2013, 09:26 AM
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When I say balance, I mean with the amount of weaknesses and advantages we have with the types now, I'm not counting tiers and such cause that's a whole other park that always has some iffiness in it because of it being entirely fanmade and such xD

Should've made that clear, I apologize *n*

I mean like... Grass is weak to Ice, Fire, Bug, Flying, and Poison, but strong against Water, Ground, Rock. That's not an even ratio, but with how common Water, Ground, and Rock are, it's pretty even to me. But if Light-type is added, how will it affect all of the other types? Would it be neutral, strong, or weak? Would it resist anything or be resisted by anything?

Figuring that out is simple enough but like you mentioned Miss Doronjo, it seems more unlikely with each generation we progress through just because of the amount of work that would have to be done. That's a really good point with the IVs and such too, I hadn't thought of that but that does seem to make it more unlikely.

That's why I think Sylveon won't be a new type, and a new type won't be introduced, because of how soon Gen VI is coming out after Gen V. They could have been working on it since the 3DS was announced, or heck even before then, but I just don't see it happening.
Yeah, that's true.

I'm just not sure most of these things really matter all that much in the world of pokemon, though. Some type interactions are deeply intuitive, but some of them are just made up for the heck of it--probably for pragmatic reasons. I mean, why is steel immune to poison, but rock doesn't get this immunity? Why is steel weak to fighting, for that matter? Or ground? Why does dragon resist anything it resists? Why is it weak to ice? Why is poison weak to bug? Or psychic? Why is dark weak to bug?

Trying to justify any of these would be a huge stretch. Pokemon keeps a lot of the obvious type interactions obvious, but they're hardly above doing what is necessary to try to balance things. They've proven they're not at all above retyping both pokemon and moves, as well as retconning and changing all sorts of other mechanics and elements of the game. But don't get me wrong -- I don't think a new type is happening either, let alone "Light", but, who knows what GF may be thinking.
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Fairy type would be... unique. But I don't think it'd be that necessary. ;( I can't really see many advantages to a fairy typing, and it just sends a kid-ish message which Pokemon isn't necessarily trying to display, given that they're aiming it at a wider audience from the looks of the protagonists and that generally little boys won't really want fairy Pokemon, and would rather have dark/fire/steel, aka strong stuff. It may be unfair but it's true and how they'd be perceived.
Fairies aren't just petite little creatures with magic fairy dust and wings that flutter. There are all different kinds of fairy-like beings that exist in many various mythologies today. If Pokémon were to introduce a Fairy type, they don't all have to be this cute, elegant and feminine type monster. There can be larger and more masculine types that can appeal to a wider audience, specifically the guys.

There's also an advantage that should they need to retcon any of the old Pokémon, there aren't many to change. Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Chancey, Blissey, and Audino being the most notable.

It can be effective against Dragon, Ghost, Psychic, and Dark.
Weak against Fire, Ice, Rock, and Steel.
Resistant to Grass, Bug, Poison, and Fighting.

It's definitely an intriguing type idea, but I still have my doubts about getting any sort of new type at all. It's certainly a lot more creative than the over-hyped "Light" type though, and I sure do fancy it a lot more than the idea of there being a "Love" type.

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Yeah, that's true.

I'm just not sure most of these things really matter all that much in the world of pokemon, though. Some type interactions are deeply intuitive, but some of them are just made up for the heck of it--probably for pragmatic reasons. I mean, why is steel immune to poison, but rock doesn't get this immunity? Why is steel weak to fighting, for that matter? Or ground? Why does dragon resist anything it resists? Why is it weak to ice? Why is poison weak to bug? Or psychic? Why is dark weak to bug?
Dragons being weak to ice is sort of reminicent to the dinosaurs and Ice Age theory.

Poisons aren't weak to Bug types though.
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*typo on my part

Still, even if GF made Dragons weak to Ice reminiscent of Dinosaurs and the Ice age, or whatever, I'm still not sure if balance within type weaknesses are be the only thing that GF considers if they are making new types. GF could of still made Dragon weak to ice for the sake of just... weaknesses.
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I would like "Fairy" typing instead of "light". The moveset would be larger since there are both good and evil "fairy" mythical creatures. They would be able to go back and type some of the older mons too like clefairy, jigglypuff, chansey, and audino.
I don't know if they could use "Fairy" as a type considering the Yu-Gi-Oh series has a type by that name. In fact, alot of their types are like Pokémon's types:

Pyro - Fire
Aqua - Water
Thunder - Electric
Insect - Bug
Plant - Grass
Rock - Rock
Dragon - Dragon
Psychic - Psychic

There might be a few more but I'm not sure
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If GameFreak were to introduce a new type now, then it's because they want to. There's no other real reason as to why a new type would be needed since they fixed the system's imbalance back in Gen II.

It would definitely be a good shock value to the fans though and only promote the sales even more in my opinion.
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I don't know if they could use "Fairy" as a type considering the Yu-Gi-Oh series has a type by that name. In fact, alot of their types are like Pokémon's types:

Pyro - Fire
Aqua - Water
Thunder - Electric
Insect - Bug
Plant - Grass
Rock - Rock
Dragon - Dragon
Psychic - Psychic

There might be a few more but I'm not sure

I didnt remember that. But with all the speculation of a "light" type by other users. I thought a "fairy" type would work better. They would be able to create more pokes as well with all the mythical creatures that are fairies both good and evil
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It can be effective against Dragon, Ghost, Psychic, and Dark.
Weak against Fire, Ice, Rock, and Steel.
Resistant to Grass, Bug, Poison, and Fighting.
I was thinking that a Fairy type would be super effective against Fighting, Dragon, Ghost, and Dark, be resistant to its own type, Psychic, Fighting, and Dark, and be weak to Electric, Ice, Fire, and Poison.
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Fairies aren't just petite little creatures with magic fairy dust and wings that flutter. There are all different kinds of fairy-like beings that exist in many various mythologies today. If Pokémon were to introduce a Fairy type, they don't all have to be this cute, elegant and feminine type monster. There can be larger and more masculine types that can appeal to a wider audience, specifically the guys.

There's also an advantage that should they need to retcon any of the old Pokémon, there aren't many to change. Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Chancey, Blissey, and Audino being the most notable.

It can be effective against Dragon, Ghost, Psychic, and Dark.
Weak against Fire, Ice, Rock, and Steel.
Resistant to Grass, Bug, Poison, and Fighting.

It's definitely an intriguing type idea, but I still have my doubts about getting any sort of new type at all. It's certainly a lot more creative than the over-hyped "Light" type though, and I sure do fancy it a lot more than the idea of there being a "Love" type.


Dragons being weak to ice is sort of reminicent to the dinosaurs and Ice Age theory.

Poisons aren't weak to Bug types though.
Well said. There are some other Pokemon that I would like add to that list. Some are small-spirited legendaries like Mew, Celeby, Jirachi, Lake Trio. And Meloetta would more fitting for Fairy-type than normal. The more we discussed about this, the more I can accept the idea of "Fairy"-type.

Love type? I'll quit Pokemon officially if that happen. Seriously.
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Still, even if GF made Dragons weak to Ice reminiscent of Dinosaurs and the Ice age, or whatever, I'm still not sure if balance within type weaknesses are be the only thing that GF considers if they are making new types. GF could of still made Dragon weak to ice for the sake of just... weaknesses.
I think there is some mythology that said Dragon being weak to Ice. I don't which myth said that though.
Some match up that I thought being made up for the sake of balance are like Dark weakness to Bug (seriously I'm still puzzled about this), Bug resistance to Fighting (its even more damn confusing since Fighting is super effective to both Rock and Steel), and Steel and Ground advantage over Rock.


Whether there will be new type its all depend on GF decision. For me, it would less likely for us to have new type mainly because GF would probably try to play safe.
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I've been hoping for a Light-type for quite a while, ever since I was thinking about Spiritomb and how it doesn't have any weakness. Bringing in a new type that would finally give a weakness to a Ghost/Dark-type would make it fair for everyone, otherwise if they don't... everyone would be placed at an unfair advantage for any newer Ghost/Dark Pokémon that are introduced. When I was thinking about Light-type, I was thinking that it would be:

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1/2 (Not very effective) to: Grass, Fire and Electric-types
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x0 (Has no effect) to: N/A

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1/2 (Not very effective) from: Fire and Electric-types
x2 (Super effective) from: Grass, Fighting and Psychic-types
x0 (Has no effect) from: Dark-type

But then... I also was looking at the older Eeveelutions... they all seem to be based off a type that is part of nature. So then what popped into my head after thinking about forests and trees based on the name origin of "sylvania" from the new Eeveelution called Sylveon, I thought Nature-type might be also fitting.
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I think there is some mythology that said Dragon being weak to Ice. I don't which myth said that though.
Some match up that I thought being made up for the sake of balance are like Dark weakness to Bug (seriously I'm still puzzled about this), Bug resistance to Fighting (its even more damn confusing since Fighting is super effective to both Rock and Steel), and Steel and Ground advantage over Rock.
A friend of mine provided a good reason on why Dark is weak to Bug. It's because villains usually call the heroes "pests" or "insects" for foiling their plans.
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I think there is some mythology that said Dragon being weak to Ice. I don't which myth said that though.
Some match up that I thought being made up for the sake of balance are like Dark weakness to Bug (seriously I'm still puzzled about this), Bug resistance to Fighting (its even more damn confusing since Fighting is super effective to both Rock and Steel), and Steel and Ground advantage over Rock.
There actually isn't any myth around that. Dragons are based off of reptiles and reptiles are cold blooded. They are creatures that cannot produce body heat, so if they were to try to live in colder climates, they die. Since the cold can kill reptiles and Dragons are based off of reptiles, Dragons are weak to Ice attacks.
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How about Gas-type? I,ve been thinking this since last year, this is the type chart:

Offense:
2x : poison and bug
0,5x : steel, gas, fire, ghost, and grass
0x : none

Defense:
2x : flying, poison and grass (maybe)
0,5x : gas, water, fire and dragon (maybe)
0x : normal, fight and steel

And I don't really agree about Light-type because I think Dark-type is already balanced and it makes Psychic-type is more useless
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A friend of mine provided a good reason on why Dark is weak to Bug. It's because villains usually call the heroes "pests" or "insects" for foiling their plans.
Its......fine, I guess >___>
Still plausible consindering Psychic weaknesses are some kind of phobia that''l disturb your mind.
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There actually isn't any myth around that. Dragons are based off of reptiles and reptiles are cold blooded. They are creatures that cannot produce body heat, so if they were to try to live in colder climates, they die. Since the cold can kill reptiles and Dragons are based off of reptiles, Dragons are weak to Ice attacks.
I just thought that Dragons weak to ice because there is another kind story who tells that too >__>
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How about Gas-type? I,ve been thinking this since last year, this is the type chart:

Offense:
2x : poison and bug
0,5x : steel, gas, fire, ghost, and grass
0x : none

Defense:
2x : flying, poison and grass (maybe)
0,5x : gas, water, fire and dragon (maybe)
0x : normal, fight and steel

And I don't really agree about Light-type because I think Dark-type is already balanced and it makes Psychic-type is more useless
To be frank, Bug doesn't need another weakness.
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To be frank, Bug doesn't need another weakness.
Okay, I'll fix that:

Offense:
2x : poison, normal and electric (maybe)
0,5x : steel, gas, fire, ice, and grass
0x : none

Defense:
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Well said. There are some other Pokemon that I would like add to that list. Some are small-spirited legendaries like Mew, Celeby, Jirachi, Lake Trio. And Meloetta would more fitting for Fairy-type than normal. The more we discussed about this, the more I can accept the idea of "Fairy"-type.
The pokemon that you've said is Psychic-types!


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Some match up that I thought being made up for the sake of balance are like Dark weakness to Bug (seriously I'm still puzzled about this), Bug resistance to Fighting (its even more damn confusing since Fighting is super effective to both Rock and Steel), and Steel and Ground advantage over Rock.
Bug resist Fighting because they body are small so Fighting-types is hard to hit it. Steel-type is super effective on rock because steel is more sturdier so its easy to crush rocks. And Ground-types had advantage over Rock because rock is made from ground.

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I think they May add a New tipe Because of Slyveon(new Eeveelution)
I don't look any references on Him like FLAREon,JOLTeon,LEAFeon,,GLAZEeon,ect
Like the Light type that You guys mention!
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The pokemon that you've said is Psychic-types!




Bug resist Fighting because they body are small so Fighting-types is hard to hit it. Steel-type is super effective on rock because steel is more sturdier so its easy to crush rocks. And Ground-types had advantage over Rock because rock is made from ground.
I said it because they indeed more fitting to Fairy type rather than Psychic you know. They are not really "Psychic" compared to Mewtwo, Deoxys, and Cresselia (I think Cresselia fit to be Fairy too).

That reason is......even more silly than Dark weakness to Bug that have been said by Pinkie-Dawn >__>
Now that's what I called made up, the same with Dark<Bug too
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Even after everything that's been said I'd still like to avoid the Fairy typing. ;( Plus! They can easily fit into the other typings as it is, and it doesn't seem like an overly major thing. Maybe a mammal type idk but that wouldn't seem that strangeee.
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Even after everything that's been said I'd still like to avoid the Fairy typing. ;( Plus! They can easily fit into the other typings as it is, and it doesn't seem like an overly major thing. Maybe a mammal type idk but that wouldn't seem that strangeee.
Yeah.Knowing that Pokemon Which are based To be Mammals Hatch From Eggs
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Hm... now about another new type I was thinking about that actually fits Sylveon's name. It's called Natural-type and not to be mistaken by Grass-type, as it includes everything that is not man-made, such as water, animals, ice and plants. And doing things naturally

Offense
x2: Dark and Ghost
1/2: Fire, Electric, Water, Grass and Ice
x0: N/A

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Please let me know if there's any types that might be causing some imbalances. ;)
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Even after everything that's been said I'd still like to avoid the Fairy typing. ;( Plus! They can easily fit into the other typings as it is, and it doesn't seem like an overly major thing. Maybe a mammal type idk but that wouldn't seem that strangeee.
While it's certainly weird that Pokémon that are clearly based off of real life mammals hatch out of eggs, it would be just as weird to have a type listed as "Mammal." It's too much of a broad term in my opinion to be used as a specific type such as Fire, Grass, Water, Electric, etc.
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