X/Y General Chat and Speculation

[XanderO]

Gamefreak themselves said no Pokemon from Generation 5 has any tie into the generations before. You'll just have to accept that they aren't related.

Also, Marill has an evolution, so the Pikachu Clones do have at least one that evolved. Marill is the supposed Pikachu Clone for Gen 2 despite it being water typed, its still an elemental mouse and was originally the mascot for Gen 2.

As for pairs that evolve without the other evolving, Jynx didn't get an evolution when she was part of a trio with Electabuzz and Magmar. People have sense written her out, but she was part of that trio. Gloom got a split evolution while Weepinbel didn't, and like the Jynx/Magmar/Electabuzz trio, they were an unofficial pair.

You also have Dusclops who evolved in Gen 4 while his supposed pair Bannett didn't get an evolution. So they've done this a few times. Its not something unheard of.

Zangoose getting add ons doesn't mean much other than Zangoose gets an add on. He's not in a pair with Seviper rather he's a rival to seviper. They can still evolve without one another.

As for officially recognized pairs or Tag Battle Pokemon, it would seem a little weird if one got an evolution when the other doesn't, though that's only like 3 lines. Illumise/Volbeat (since they share an egg), Plusel/Minun, and the Nidotwins. If they aren't like these three I can see only one evolving.

[JayTheKing]

Are you talking about this?

They are awfull IMO.They look like pigs and they are most likely fake.

[Twilight Sky]

I don't see any discussion about that but...that happens to be a pretty interesting photo. o.o; Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be a fake like the apparent scan of that black/yellow bird and the bug looking thing. x_x

I mean, they don't really look that bad...the pre-evo looks a bit meh, the evo looks better.

[JayTheKing]

Originally Posted by Twilight Sky

I don't see any discussion about that but...that happens to be a pretty interesting photo. o.o; Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be a fake like the apparent scan of that black/yellow bird and the bug looking thing. x_x

I mean, they don't really look that bad...the pre-evo looks a bit meh, the evo looks better.

These are the zangoo's pre evo and evo.
I dont really like them plus the pre evo looks like a mankey

[Twilight Sky]

...How can Zangoose evolve into that? It looks...nothing, if hardly anything like it.

That said, I feel that this is blatantly fake now.

[JayTheKing]

Originally Posted by Twilight Sky

...How can Zangoose evolve into that? It looks...nothing, if hardly anything like it.

That said, I feel that this is blatantly fake now.

Checkmate!My point exactly!

[Pinkie-Dawn]

Originally Posted by XanderO

Also, Marill has an evolution, so the Pikachu Clones do have at least one that evolved. Marill is the supposed Pikachu Clone for Gen 2 despite it being water typed, its still an elemental mouse and was originally the mascot for Gen 2.

But Pichu was the official mascot of Gen 2 and the supposed Pikachu clone.

As for pairs that evolve without the other evolving, Jynx didn't get an evolution when she was part of a trio with Electabuzz and Magmar. People have sense written her out, but she was part of that trio. Gloom got a split evolution while Weepinbel didn't, and like the Jynx/Magmar/Electabuzz trio, they were an unofficial pair.

Some will argue that Jynx was never part of the trio to begin with because of her gender as 100% female and her secondary type, unlike Magmar and Electabuzz, who have a 50/50 gender ratio and are mono-types.

You also have Dusclops who evolved in Gen 4 while his supposed pair Bannett didn't get an evolution. So they've done this a few times. Its not something unheard of.

Zangoose getting add ons doesn't mean much other than Zangoose gets an add on. He's not in a pair with Seviper rather he's a rival to seviper. They can still evolve without one another.

GF will eventually give the other pair an evolutions a few generations later, which is something the fans are anticipating for. So we'll eventually get our Weepinbel split evo, Skarmory pre-evo, and Bannette evo.

[JayTheKing]

Bannette evo...My first shiny evolving....

Oh GF give me this in Gen 6!

[Twilight Sky]

Originally Posted by JayTheKing

Bannette evo...My first shiny evolving....

Oh GF give me this in Gen 6!

That would be so cool! I never thought of an actual puppeteer-esque Pokemon before, and that would be so fitting for Banette's evo! @_@

[Scarecr0wFixatioN]

A Zangoose evo would be pretty cool, but I'd rather Seviper got one. Zangoose looks intimidating as is, but Seviper just looks silly, and has so much potential to evolve into cool looking. Although I'd be so cool with them giving Absol + Zangoose + Seviper evolutions and revealing it in the same scan.

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn

But Pichu was the official mascot of Gen 2 and the supposed Pikachu clone.

No it wasn't. Marill was used for promotions and was even a new Main character's Pokemon (Tracy). Pichu also cannot be a clone as its a direct form of Pikachu being its pre-evolved form. Unlike the others who were in no way related to Pikachu other than by design and type.

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn

Some will argue that Jynx was never part of the trio to begin with because of her gender as 100% female and her secondary type, unlike Magmar and Electabuzz, who have a 50/50 gender ratio and are mono-types.

And those same people would have been the ones to say that she was part of the trio before Generation 4. She has always been treated as part of the trio up until Generation 4 where players then complained about her not getting an evolution with them and then accepted that maybe she wasn't part of that group. She was part of the group and then Gamefreak wrote her out just as they do with all unofficial pairs

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn

GF will eventually give the other pair an evolutions a few generations later, which is something the fans are anticipating for. So we'll eventually get our Weepinbel split evo, Skarmory pre-evo, and Bannette evo.

They haven't done so since Generation 2 for Weepinbel. How can you say that they will? GF may decide to do nothing but new Pokemon for every generation after this. There is nothing that gives concrete proof that once they've broken fan made pairs that they'll bring them back together. Especually since they are as I just said, fan made pairs. None of them are official. The only ones Gamefreak has recognized as pairs are Plusel and Minun, Nidoran♀ and Nidoran♂, and Illimise and Volbeat. Two of which can breed with one another and the other directly influences one another.

All other pairs don't really mean much to Gamefreak since they don't recognize them as such.

[Jake♫]

On top of Xander's great explanation, just because the fans see a pattern doesn't mean that Game Freak is intending one to be there, or that it's just anything that very well mayb be coincidence. Yes, I'm one of the people that saw Jynx as part of a trio. Clearly Game Freak didn't care, as it wasn't given an evolution in Generation Four. They don't have to go back and create things as fan service just because we see a pattern that they weren't intending to be there. It's the same thing with creating links between things. Sure, Luvdisc and Alomomola look similar, and a lot of people think they should be linked. Doesn't mean that it's going to happen just because players want it to.

[Sabrewulf238]

Originally Posted by JayTheKing

Are you talking about this?

They are awfull IMO.They look like pigs and they are most likely fake.

I swear I saw those on deviantart a while back.

[Aerilyn]

Originally Posted by JayTheKing

Are you talking about this?

They are awfull IMO.They look like pigs and they are most likely fake.

That's some nice fakemon, but nothing more than that. Certainly not a Zangoose (pre)-evolution, that's for sure.

[Twilight Sky]

Just thought I'd bring in a different topic to make things interesting:

Do any of you remember Amity Square? For those of you that don't, it's basically a little area in 4th generation that allows you to walk with your Pokemon, and your Pokemon would actually come out of your Pokeball, and you would actually interact with it! Sort of a Follow Me feature for those games, as a lot of you would call it.

Would you like something like this to appear in the games? o:

[CycloneGU]

Originally Posted by Twilight Sky

Just thought I'd bring in a different topic to make things interesting:

Do any of you remember Amity Square? For those of you that don't, it's basically a little area in 4th generation that allows you to walk with your Pokemon, and your Pokemon would actually come out of your Pokeball, and you would actually interact with it! Sort of a Follow Me feature for those games, as a lot of you would call it.

Would you like something like this to appear in the games? o:

As they expanded on this in HG/SS to make it the entire game, I most definitely want this to return, as I loved that aspect of the game. I doubt it will in this case, however.

Cyclone

[Twilight Sky]

Yes! And make it a wider selection of Pokemon, too. Instead of having it limited to just a few Pokemon, why not be a spot where you could spend time with all of your Pokemon? Haha, as I'm typing this, I'm thinking of like, letting all of your Pokemon out of their Pokeballs at once (which actually would be pretty cool), but one at a time seems acceptable, too!

[CycloneGU]

Hmm. I like the idea of all of them coming out while in town. Or at least a second or third. Fainted Pokémon would stay in their balls.

Why could they all come out? They could go to designated landmarks for each type while in town (like water types hopping in for a swim). When you leave, they all return to their balls except the leader, who stays with you the entire time.

That would be complex, however.

Cyclone

[Twilight Sky]

That would be complex, however.

I don't see what's so complex about letting out a bunch of Pokemon and having them go out for a swim/walk/whatever, really. o.o; It's only a matter of whether GF just kind of feels like doing it or not.

[CycloneGU]

Originally Posted by Twilight Sky

I don't see what's so complex about letting out a bunch of Pokemon and having them go out for a swim/walk/whatever, really. o.o; It's only a matter of whether GF just kind of feels like doing it or not.

No. Not that. Complex programming-wise. Meaning they won't do it.

Cyclone

[Twilight Sky]

Eh, I dunno. I mean, it'd seem like a plausible thing to do, right? But it's just a thought is all. I believe that the more interaction you have with your Pokemon, the better, actually. How they feel, their general moods, things of that nature, I suppose. @_@; I don't think it's something that'd be difficult considering they achieved similar with HG/SS but it was with one of your own Pokemon instead of all six.

[CycloneGU]

Originally Posted by Twilight Sky

Eh, I dunno. I mean, it'd seem like a plausible thing to do, right? But it's just a thought is all. I believe that the more interaction you have with your Pokemon, the better, actually. How they feel, their general moods, things of that nature, I suppose. @_@; I don't think it's something that'd be difficult considering they achieved similar with HG/SS but it was with one of your own Pokemon instead of all six.

The problem is that if they did something where all Pokémon came out, generally they'd have to follow one behind the other. And you can't easily interact with all of them. It makes sense to have only one, unless they all come out when you get to the city and scatter. That might make rival or storyline battles in a city useless, however, unless they are designed for one Pokémon to be able to fight (especially in early cities).

I want to see one, and select areas where they all can come out, but not the entire game.

Cyclone

[Twilight Sky]

Originally Posted by CycloneGU

The problem is that if they did something where all Pokémon came out, generally they'd have to follow one behind the other. And you can't easily interact with all of them. It makes sense to have only one, unless they all come out when you get to the city and scatter. That might make rival or storyline battles in a city useless, however, unless they are designed for one Pokémon to be able to fight (especially in early cities).

I want to see one, and select areas where they all can come out, but not the entire game.

Cyclone

That's what I'm saying! A select area where they could all come out. Having them out the entire game would be fairly awkward. @_@

[Zorogami]

This would be pretty cool, especially since they would all be in 3D!
And when they come out of their pokeballs, maybe interacting with them would cause their happiness to increase or something? That way it could also have a gameplay value.

[Twilight Sky]

Yep! And who knows really, I like that in Amity Squire, you find items by interacting with your Pokemon, so maybe that could be a bonus, too? I realize that the Pickup ability kind of exists for a reason, but perhaps we could take it a step further and say that, whatever Pokemon you would have out would have the ability to look for things like hidden Super Potions and the like, y'know?