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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:00 AM
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Too good to be true, sadly. xD

'Cause here's the thing, the name "Fernox" is already trademarked by some other company for their cleaning products, so that does prove that it only made up and made so that fans would be fooled by something like that, 4chan is like that with their image boards.
Nice catch. Most people wouldn't think to check to see if these names are already trademarked.

I think it is clearly Fake. But, that is the fun of this time between games!!
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:03 AM
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Not quite, unless they change Psychic -> Dark immunity.
But if it's true then banzai, finally not Fire/Fighting starter...
Even though Dark is immune to Psychic, with the way this potential leak has been set up, it's still all pretty balanced in terms of each starter being strong and weak against one another.

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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:15 AM
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While I'm still partial to the idea of Froakie becoming a Water/Dark burglar I'm warming to the idea of Water/Fighting since the idea came to me that the bubbles could form a cape or some such. SUPER HERO POKEMON, GUYS.
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The list also references legendary trios, which also happen to be type triangles.

Grass Zeruneasu? ? ?
Iberutaru flame? ? ?
Zanaruoru rock / Zanarol ·? ? ?

Private railway steel / Dereyn
Runaseki rock / Lunyrite
Sikasso flame / Stapyre

Steel beats Rock beats Flame beats Steel beats Rock etc.,
That's an odd translation. Anyone know why?
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:48 AM
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That's an odd translation. Anyone know why?
Its poor translation, obviously. Not everyone who tries to translates things on the internet knows everything there is to know about Japanese. It's probably a mistranslation from slang or something, maybe some sort of onomatopoeia.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:56 AM
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Information from 2chan and Reddit is *usually* pretty unreliable/wrong. I wouldn't mind those typings for the evos, but I'm not going to assume that's what we're getting until a reliable source confirms it 100%.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 08:19 AM
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While I'm still partial to the idea of Froakie becoming a Water/Dark burglar I'm warming to the idea of Water/Fighting since the idea came to me that the bubbles could form a cape or some such. SUPER HERO POKEMON, GUYS.
If Froakie is a secondary dark, it would definitely explain the big yellow eyes.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 09:29 AM
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While I'm still partial to the idea of Froakie becoming a Water/Dark burglar I'm warming to the idea of Water/Fighting since the idea came to me that the bubbles could form a cape or some such. SUPER HERO POKEMON, GUYS.
Personally I'd rather if Froakie became a Water/Dark type, it would make for a much more interesting frog pokemon imo. I'm totally against it becoming a Water/Fighting type because we already have Poliwrath and I think they should let Froakie develop into a different type of frog instead of trying to make up for what Poliwrath is lacking. We have three different frogs: Poliwrath, Toxicroak and Seismitoad so I think Game Freak should go a new route with Froakie. I think the game could use a better Water/Fighting type, but there would be too many parallels to Poliwrath for Froakie's evo to have the same type combo so hey should save that type combo for a better suited pokemon. If Froakie doesn't become Water/Dark then maybe Water/Flying could work to suit the cloud cape around it's neck. Or better yet if they can't come up with anything different then just keep it pure Water type!
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Old January 16th, 2013, 09:34 AM
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Personally I'd rather if Froakie became a Water/Dark type, it would make for a much more interesting frog pokemon imo. I'm totally against it becoming a Water/Fighting type because we already have Poliwrath and I think they should let Froakie develop into a different type of frog instead of trying to make up for what Poliwrath is lacking. We have three different frogs: Poliwrath, Toxicroak and Seismitoad so I think Game Freak should go a new route with Froakie. I think the game could use a better Water/Fighting type, but there would be too many parallels to Poliwrath for Froakie's evo to have the same type combo so hey should save that type combo for a better suited pokemon. If Froakie doesn't become Water/Dark then maybe Water/Flying could work to suit the cloud cape around it's neck. Or better yet if they can't come up with anything different then just keep it pure Water type!
Poliwrath isn't technically a frog, but I do get where you are coming from.

Updated the translation in the OP and provided a better image. I do think this may be true, but I suppose we shall find out sooner or later. Less believable things have been true from the days of pre 5th gen release speculation.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 09:37 AM
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Interesting, this says that the Y is Dark/??? and X is Grass/???. Assuming this is true, which is a stretch, we might be getting new types.

As for the credibility of the rest of the information, its a pretty well made hoax if it is indeed one. It gives out little enough information that it can pass for a leaked "teaser". It even appears to hold some information back (which isn't very typical of teasers). It also boldly gives out concrete statements, such as the names, which would be among the first things to be revealed and thus would be easy to verify. Version-dependent evolutions is certainly GameFreak-esque.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 09:47 AM
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Mm... right.

This isn't even the first "leak" of the starter evos I've seen today.

For a bit of amusement, search "pokemon starter evos." You'll not only find multiple, and conflicting, "leaks" of the next starter evos, but some really outlandish "leaks" of the previous gens.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 09:51 AM
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I hope this is fake because:

1) Chespin looks nothing like it could evolve into a Grass/Dark type, more like Grass/Ground

2) Dark and Psychic were formally special-based moves, and all the other secondary types in the past were formally physical-based, which makes it a pattern

3) Dark/Pyschic/Fighting is an unbalanced type cycle because Dark is immune to Psychic, unlike Grass/Fire/Water, where all three can hit each other supper effectively and not very effectively even as dual types
1) Torchic doesn't look like a fighting type at all, and yet here we are.

2) I really don't think that matters after the physical/special split. Actually, I doubt it mattered even before that. It's not like there's really a reason for them to keep that pattern like there is for, say, having certain types for starters or having a duo/trio of legendaries for the game covers.

3) This is a pretty minor problem given that fire still hits grass SEly. And that type trio has already been referenced in BW anyway- one of the triple battle rematches in Opelucid uses Bisharp/Elgyem/Mienfoo while the other uses the elemental monkey trio- so Gamefreak is apparently fine with it.

That aside, I still don't think this is legit. But we'll see.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 09:58 AM
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It would be interesting if true. Fennekin being Fire/Psychic is a step up from Fire/Fighting certainly. However Im hesitant to believe any of this yet, until real confirmed info comes about despite that true info sometimes does surface on 2ch.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:21 AM
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I'm totally against it becoming a Water/Fighting type because we already have Poliwrath and I think they should let Froakie develop into a different type of frog instead of trying to make up for what Poliwrath is lacking. We have three different frogs: Poliwrath, Toxicroak and Seismitoad so I think Game Freak should go a new route with Froakie.
I think Froakie's next evolution will look like this:



We don't have any frogs that look like that.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 10:27 AM
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That's a really hollow argument there are heaps of Pokemon with the same types as starter Pokemon. Swampert/Wishcash/Gastradon/Palpitoed ,Bulbasaur line/ Bellsprout line, Bulbasuar line/ and Oddish line i think that is it an either way Poliwag is amazing and everyone would be lucky if it was a starter.


I will feel very at home with a Water/fighting type so I would be very happy if this turns out to be true.
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Then y charizard is not a legendary pkmn? Moltres is also fire/flying... XD
Its not just the fact that it could be a Water/Fighting type, but that it would be a Water/Fighting type that is also part of a three-stage evolutionary line and based on a frog, just like the Poliwag line.

The differences between Swampert, Whiscash, Gastradon, and Palpitoed are apparent when looking at their origin. They are based on a salamander, a catfish, a sea slug, and a toad, respectively. Likewise, Charizard is a dragon while Moltres is a phoenix. The same also applies to Bulbasaur, Bellsprout, and Oddish (dinosaur, venus flytrap, and radish, respectively).
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:33 AM
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When I saw the name "Lunyrite", I thought it was going to be an evolution for Lunatone!

As for the starters' types... MAKE. IT. HAPPEN!!!!!
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:38 AM
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I hope this is real. Like a lot of people, I'm pretty sick of Fire/Fighting with the starters (I wouldn't mind it for wild Pokemon though).
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Old January 16th, 2013, 11:44 AM
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@ Superfox Swampert's based on a mudskipper not a salamender. And than there's Ho-Oh who is also part Fire/Flying and based on a Phoenix (the asian version of one).

Either way I don't mind another water/fighting frog as long as they make it a different type of frog/toad.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:24 PM
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Even though Dark is immune to Psychic, with the way this potential leak has been set up, it's still all pretty balanced in terms of each starter being strong and weak against one another.
It's still perfectly balanced. You just don't use Psychic attacks against a Dark type, and you won't need to. First of all, your rival won't choose grass if you choose fire. Second, even if you're fighitng someone with the Grass / Dark final, you'd use your Fire moves. You wouldn't use your Fire moves against the water type, would you? No, you'd use your Psychic moves. Just the same, you wouldn't use your Psychic moves against a Dark type, you use the Fire moves.

Anywhoozle, I really hope this is true, and I actually think the trailer supports it. Their moves look like Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:27 PM
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@ Superfox Swampert's based on a mudskipper not a salamender. And than there's Ho-Oh who is also part Fire/Flying and based on a Phoenix (the asian version of one).

Either way I don't mind another water/fighting frog as long as they make it a different type of frog/toad.
Actually Mudkip is mostly based on a mudpuppy or an axolotl, which are both types of salamanders. There may be some influence from mudskippers in there, but little to none. In fact, I think the only thing that is at all influenced by mudskippers seems to be its name.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:31 PM
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I think Froakie's next evolution will look like this:



We don't have any frogs that look like that.
I doubt it. It looks to me like he is ready to stand up. If he had little tiny legs that didn't look like they could extend, then yeah, but he looks like he will be a more agile type to me. Anyway it'll be nice to finally see how it turns out.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:40 PM
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I doubt it. It looks to me like he is ready to stand up. If he had little tiny legs that didn't look like they could extend, then yeah, but he looks like he will be a more agile type to me. Anyway it'll be nice to finally see how it turns out.
I don't disagree, but I wouldn't rule it out. Tepig started on all fours and evolved into a bipedal sumo. Oshawott stood on two legs up until his final evolution. Mudkip went from being on four small legs, to walking on two, and then he went back on all fours, albeit he could still stand on two legs if I recall correctly from the anime. Point being, there's very much a possibility he could turn out like that. Again, I don't disagree with you. He looks like he's going to be a bipedal-type Pokémon as he evolves, and if he ends up as a Water/Fighting like this "leak" says, then even more so.
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I would like to see some confirmation of this. It's all plausible, of course, but something about it makes me doubtful. Maybe I'm just suspicious in general, but getting fully evolved starters with Dark/Fighting/Psychic secondary types just like everyone's always wanted seems too coincidental.

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Old January 16th, 2013, 01:33 PM
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I have my doubts. I also think it´s way too early to reveal all these things. They could reveal the generic bird alongside some other Pokémon though. I wouldn´t mind if the typings were real...I just hope they don´t mess up Chespin too much.
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NO PLEASE NO. Please be fake. PLEEEEAAAAAASEEEE!!!!!!!

Although, if this is real, then I guess some people will like it, and it'll be okay.

My one concern is that people will pretend that Dark/Fighting/Psychic is a type triangle, to counteract Water/Fire/Grass. I loathe that everybody has it engraved that Dark/Psychic/Fighting is a type triangle. IT'S NOT. Do you like Dark/Fighting/Psychic? Do you want starters to be these types? That's okay, and I respect that, that's your opinion. What really peeves, me, though, is when people go around allegedly boasting that Dark/Fighting/Psychic is a type triangle, when it isn't, BECAUSE DARK IS IMMUNE TO PSYCHIC, PEOPLE.

There are other legitimate type triangles, other than Grass/Water/Fire. Rock/Flying/Fighting and Ice/Flying/Fighting are some examples.

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It's still perfectly balanced. You just don't use Psychic attacks against a Dark type, and you won't need to. First of all, your rival won't choose grass if you choose fire. Second, even if you're fighitng someone with the Grass / Dark final, you'd use your Fire moves. You wouldn't use your Fire moves against the water type, would you? No, you'd use your Psychic moves. Just the same, you wouldn't use your Psychic moves against a Dark type, you use the Fire moves.

Anywhoozle, I really hope this is true, and I actually think the trailer supports it. Their moves look like Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting.
That's completely irrelevant! There's a difference between ignoring type triangles, and pretending they're fair. Just because you have some other moves to fight back with, that doesn't change the fact that one starter has an unfair obtrusive advantage over the other two.

Although, on the plus side, I know that you've been wanting Dark/Psychic/Fighting for a while now, so if this turns out to be true, you (and a couple other people, apparently) will be really pleased with the starters, I bet! So, Gamefreak would still be succeeding, because the majority of the fans don't care about the slight unfairness, from the vibe I'm getting, and will warm up to the starter's evolutions quite quickly.

Which is good, don't you think? There's no pleasing everybody, so if this turns out to be one of those generations where my personal tastes aren't pleased, I'll just wait until the next generation.
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