Possible leak on 2chan/reddit of starter evos

[vaporeon7]

Originally Posted by Scarf

I would like to see some confirmation of this. It's all plausible, of course, but something about it makes me doubtful. Maybe I'm just suspicious in general, but getting fully evolved starters with Dark/Fighting/Psychic secondary types just like everyone's always wanted seems too coincidental.

I agree, the fact that the typings are exactly what people predicted and wanted makes it all seem much more suspicious.

[RedWing]

Who cares if it isn't a type triangle The bottom line is, it allows Chespin to have a shot against Fennekin, and so on and so on. So Feenkin can't damage Chespin with its Psychic attacks, oh well. Not like Fennekin's a Fire-type or anything.

Personally, I'd be very happy if these leaks were true, but as others have said, the chances aren't really likely considering the source. But, then again, stranger things have happened.

[Yamiidenryuu]

Originally Posted by tente2

Ice/Flying/Fighting

... You do realize that's a worse triangle than fighting/psychic/dark, right? Fighting doesn't resist ice, and ice doesn't resist flying.

And seriously, people are blowing the immunity thing way out of proportion, especially give that it's only being used for secondary types. Chespin's evolution having an immunity rather than a resistance to a move Fennekin's evo wouldn't even be using due to much better options is barely "obtrusive". Besides, if they're really reworking the type chart to accommodate new types like some other rumors said, they could easily fix this teeny little problem and use the starters to show it off.

[RedWing]

A re-worked type chart would be nice.

Personally, I'd like to see Bugs and Poison-types to be buffed, either with more resistances, or advantages. Also, I'd really like the whole Psychic immunity thing to be done away with. I never really understood the logic behind it and, frankly, it seems wasteful that Dark types have an immunity to Psychic when it could simply have a resistance and possibly add a new resistance to compensate for it.

[jellotime91]

Originally Posted by tente2

That's completely irrelevant! There's a difference between ignoring type triangles, and pretending they're fair. Just because you have some other moves to fight back with, that doesn't change the fact that one starter has an unfair obtrusive advantage over the other two.

Although, on the plus side, I know that you've been wanting Dark/Psychic/Fighting for a while now, so if this turns out to be true, you (and a couple other people, apparently) will be really pleased with the starters, I bet! So, Gamefreak would still be succeeding, because the majority of the fans don't care about the slight unfairness, from the vibe I'm getting, and will warm up to the starter's evolutions quite quickly.

Which is good, don't you think? There's no pleasing everybody, so if this turns out to be one of those generations where my personal tastes aren't pleased, I'll just wait until the next generation.

Starters have always been a little unbalanced. Squirtle can learn Ice-type moves and seriously **** up Bulbasaur. IMO there has never been a perfectly balanced trio. Psychic/Dark/Fighting would be the most balanced we've ever had.

And @RedWing that's exactly my point! It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

[Livewire]

I actually would be ok with all of that. I'd still grab Fennekin over the other two, awesome typings aside.

Assuming this is real. D:

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by jellotime91

Starters have always been a little unbalanced. Squirtle can learn Ice-type moves and seriously **** up Bulbasaur. IMO there has never been a perfectly balanced trio. Psychic/Dark/Fighting would be the most balanced we've ever had.

And @RedWing that's exactly my point! It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

Gen 2 was perfectly balanced, and in no way is having an immunity close to being considered balanced. What they can learn is irrelevent as some fire starters, possibly all can learn electic attacks as well as various grass starters learning rock/ground attacks. All they are looking at is face value of type match-ups.

[RedWing]

Originally Posted by jellotime91

@RedWing that's exactly my point! It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

Nor would I. Rock, in and of itself, is a very unappealing typing simply because it alludes to a slow Pokemon that can be easily wrecked by Fighting attacks. A Fire/Rock type would be horrible against anything that knows EQ, a Water/Rock...well, we've all seen how well Relicanth fairs in battle against Grass types. The only combination that would be even remotely decent would be Grass/Rock since it would provide it with higher physical Defense (Uncommon in Grass-types) as well as remove its weakness to Fire and Flying-type attacks.

[Cerberus87]

I'm going to take a risk and claim this is true. If you watch the trailer, you can see Fennekin uses a move that looks like a Psychic move.

It would be very cool if this was true BTW.

[RedWing]

Originally Posted by Cerberus87

I'm going to take a risk and claim this is true. If you watch the trailer, you can see Fennekin uses a move that looks like a Psychic move.

It would be very cool if this was true BTW.

You know, I thought it was going to be part Psychic based on that as well! It also looks like Chespin and Froakie use a Dark and Fighting move respectively.

[tente2]

Originally Posted by Yamiidenryuu

... You do realize that's a worse triangle than fighting/psychic/dark, right? Fighting doesn't resist ice, and ice doesn't resist flying.

Not in my opinion. But in the end, it doesn't really matter. If the starters aren't Dark/Psychic/Fighting, then great for me! And if they are, I simply won't use the starters, and other people who appreciate D/P/F starters more can use them and be happy.

Originally Posted by jellotime91

And @RedWing that's exactly my point! :) It gives each one an advantage over the other! It doesn't matter if it's perfect. And I mean really, we're going to have flying/rock/fighting as secondary types? I would never pick a rock-type starter, ever.

I like Rock types! It's fine if you don't like them, but in retrospect I wouldn't use a starter within a D/P/F triangle, "ever".

It matters to me if it's perfect, but honestly, like I said, if you get your D/P/F starters, good for you! It's not the end of the world for me, anyway, and I think if you really like D/P/F triangles that much, you'll enjoy playing with the starters for this generation.

[AfewQuestions]

If this is true Slowbro and Starmie will be great fennekin counters.

[Pinkie-Dawn]

Originally Posted by Yamiidenryuu

1) Torchic doesn't look like a fighting type at all, and yet here we are.

2) I really don't think that matters after the physical/special split. Actually, I doubt it mattered even before that. It's not like there's really a reason for them to keep that pattern like there is for, say, having certain types for starters or having a duo/trio of legendaries for the game covers.

3) This is a pretty minor problem given that fire still hits grass SEly. And that type trio has already been referenced in BW anyway- one of the triple battle rematches in Opelucid uses Bisharp/Elgyem/Mienfoo while the other uses the elemental monkey trio- so Gamefreak is apparently fine with it.

That aside, I still don't think this is legit. But we'll see.

1) That's because a fighting chicken actually exists. A dark type hedgehog, on the other hand, doesn't. Shadow is a poor example of a dark type

2) Poison, Flying, Fighting, Ground, and Steel were formerly physical, so there's no way to stop the pattern now.

3) Both STABs of a dual-typed starter are suppose to hit another starter regardless if it's super effective or not very effective. There's no sign of an immunity from each regional starters (there's no ground starter in Kanto, no poison starter in Hoenn nor Sinnoh, and no electric starter in Sinnoh).

[RedWing]

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn

1) That's because a fighting chicken actually exists. A dark type hedgehog, on the other hand, doesn't. Shadow is a poor example of a dark type

2) Poison, Flying, Fighting, Ground, and Steel were formerly physical, so there's no way to stop the pattern now.

3) Both STABs of a dual-typed starter are suppose to hit another starter regardless if it's super effective or not very effective. There's no sign of an immunity from each regional starters (there's no ground starter in Kanto, no poison starter in Hoenn nor Sinnoh, and no electric starter in Sinnoh).

1) And? Torchic could easily have been the pre-evolution to some phoenix Pokemon for all we knew.

2) Um, sorry to burst your bubble, but GameFreak can do whatever they please. Pokemon is their project and if they feel like adding triple-typing or making a Pokemon "Cake" type, then they can. They aren't restricted by silly patterns the fans notice.

3) Oh really? Again, another fan-based theory. Never officially stated, nor alluded to. Again, GameFreak does as it pleases. Attempting to stick to "tradition", as some would call it with Pokemon, is like trying to name Jell-O to a tree.

[Keiran777]

Originally Posted by Sydian

Water/Fighting ruins my dreams of frogs on a cloud.

Don't know about that. Goku and the Monkey King both fought on clouds.


Anyways..I'm not too sure about this leak. "Aikenki" would translate into something like "I love sword wielding demons" I think...which sounds odd for a region name. Aikenki sounds more fitting for the name of a Ghost/Steel type, lol.

If this does turn out to be true, I was at least right about the starter types. :D Also, assuming this is true, that finch Pokemon seems to have different formes based on gender (not just appearance). Kind of like Nidoran. Which backs up the common assumption that this generations theme is based on genetics.

[CynicalGiant]

Originally Posted by Keiran777

Don't know about that. Goku and the Monkey King both fought on clouds.


Anyways..I'm not too sure about this leak. "Aikenki" would translate into something like "I love sword wielding demons" I think...which sounds odd for a region name. Aikenki sounds more fitting for the name of a Ghost/Steel type, lol.

If this does turn out to be true, I was at least right about the starter types. :D Also, assuming this is true, that finch Pokemon seems to have different formes based on gender (not just appearance). Kind of like Nidoran. Which backs up the common assumption that this generations theme is based on genetics.

The forms are different based on the version itself, not entirely the gender.

[Aerilyn]

Originally Posted by vaporeon7

I agree, the fact that the typings are exactly what people predicted and wanted makes it all seem much more suspicious.

For me, it isn't so much the starter's type being what so many people have been speculating or wishing them to be that sets this off a little bit, but more so the lengthy list of Legendary Pokémon they would reveal just about a week since the games were announced.

It's hardly likely they'd reveal so many new Legendary Pokémon before revealing smaller things like the region bird and the common Normal-type found in early routes.

Besides, these starter types aren't out of the realm of possibility. Just because so many people wish for them to happen, doesn't mean it can't or won't. GameFreak, and Pokémon in general, has shown that it doesn't always listen to its fan base in terms of wants and needs. They just do what they do. Heh.

[CynicalGiant]

Originally Posted by Aerilyn

For me, it isn't so much the starter's type being what so many people have been speculating or wishing them to be that sets this off a little bit, but more so the lengthy list of Legendary Pokémon they would reveal just about a week since the games were announced.

It's hardly likely they'd reveal so many new Legendary Pokémon before revealing smaller things like the region bird and the common Normal-type found in early routes.

Besides, these starter types aren't out of the realm of possibility. Just because so many people wish for them to happen, doesn't mean it can't or won't. GameFreak, and Pokémon in general, has shown that it doesn't always listen to its fan base in terms of wants and needs. They just do what they do. Heh.

Lengthy list?

They would be revealing 4, Z and a trio, since we already know 2 of them (its just the japanese names of X and Y)

[Zupplu]

Originally Posted by Aerilyn

Besides, these starter types aren't out of the realm of possibility. Just because so many people wish for them to happen, doesn't mean it can't or won't. GameFreak, and Pokémon in general, has shown that it doesn't always listen to its fan base in terms of wants and needs. They just do what they do. Heh.

Yes, even though we may not always get what we want *cough cough follow me feature*, there is usually a good reason, and it doesn't always mean we won't get it. I wouldn't be surprised if these are the types, along with Psychic now just being "not very effective". Although, the legendary names and ideas are off. I think this is plausible, but rubbish.

[tente2]

Originally Posted by CynicalGiant

Lengthy list?

They would be revealing 4, Z and a trio, since we already know 2 of them (its just the japanese names of X and Y)

Maybe you disagree, but I think that four legendaries all at once is a lot...

[Pryze]

Meh, I'm still not convinced Fennekin will be a Fire/Psychic, I mean, just because it's shown using Psychic, doesn't mean it'll be a Psychic-type. I won't be surprised if they just slap some boxing gloves on it and say it's a Fire/Fighting.

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by Pryze

Meh, I'm still not convinced Fennekin will be a Fire/Psychic, I mean, just because it's shown using Psychic, doesn't mean it'll be a Psychic-type. I won't be surprised if they just slap some boxing gloves on it and say it's a Fire/Fighting.

Just putting it out there, Fennekin wasn't shown using "Psychic". We don't know what that attack was. It could have been Psywave, Confusion, or even non-Psychic Attacks as there are a good number that think that attack was Confuse Ray.

It may not have been a Pychic or Ghost attack at all since we don't know what any attack looks like in Pokemon X and Pokemon Y.

[Flydro]

Originally Posted by Pryze

Meh, I'm still not convinced Fennekin will be a Fire/Psychic, I mean, just because it's shown using Psychic, doesn't mean it'll be a Psychic-type. I won't be surprised if they just slap some boxing gloves on it and say it's a Fire/Fighting.

I partly agree with you. I'm not even fully convinced that second attack Fennekin used was even a Psychic move, because to me it looked like it possibly could have been a Dark Pulse. I remember reading somewhere that Fennec foxes are nocturnal, so it could make sense. People seem to be forgetting that this is all still just speculation, and all we have to go on are screenshots of the announcement video. The popular theory appears to be predicting a Fire/Psychic type with unofficial hints suggesting this as well, along with that particular type combo already having been wanted by a lot of people for some time now (not counting Victini), naturally this would be the most popular choice. But we have to take the situation for what it is really...which is knowing that we know nothing. At least not yet anyway. Hopefully they release the evolutions soon or at least drop some official information regarding the starter types, that way we can eliminate any theories that may or may not be true. I mostly wanna see what their evolutions will look like though, because that will be what really makes my final decision.

[Sydian]

Just putting it out there, Fennekin wasn't shown using "Psychic". We don't know what that attack was. It could have been Psywave, Confusion, or even non-Psychic Attacks as there are a good number that think that attack was Confuse Ray.

That Psychic looking move clearly did damage to the Kirlia it was being used against, and if anyone has played a 3D model Pokemon game, they know that Pokemon don't use their "damaged" animation when hit with a status ailment like Confuse Ray. Not since the Stadium games, anyway. In Colosseum and XD, they didn't use that animation. Nor in PBR (ew) from what I noticed. Plus, Confuse Ray is usually a darker looking move than the one we saw.

idk, I just don't know how people think it was Confuse Ray. I'm pretty firm in that, whether this whole thing is true or not, Fennekin will end up being Fire/Psychic.

[XanderO]

Originally Posted by Sydian

That Psychic looking move clearly did damage to the Kirlia it was being used against, and if anyone has played a 3D model Pokemon game, they know that Pokemon don't use their "damaged" animation when hit with a status ailment like Confuse Ray. Not since the Stadium games, anyway. In Colosseum and XD, they didn't use that animation. Nor in PBR (ew) from what I noticed. Plus, Confuse Ray is usually a darker looking move than the one we saw.

idk, I just don't know how people think it was Confuse Ray. I'm pretty firm in that, whether this whole thing is true or not, Fennekin will end up being Fire/Psychic.

Those two were also made by two different sets of companies, neither of which's models are being used. The Water attack Froakie used is either Water gun, since it appeared to lack force, or Hydropump. Its not one from any past 3D game, so Gamefreak most likely created all of them from scratch. If they did the animations soley by themselves, that could have been hypnosis for all we know. Its possible that the Pokemon will show damage taking hits to acknowledge that they were hit by an attack since these were all made by Gamefreak.