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Old February 16th, 2013, 09:39 PM
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I've briefly asked about this on the chat, however, I want to bring this to full light, and make a thread about specifically Mewtwo in X&Y. There are threads about speculations about past legendaries, but, this thread is not about if it will be in the pokedex, nor if it will be catchable, or if we should see it in the wild, but, if this particular pokemon will play a specific role in X&Y. Why Mewtwo? Well, there's an interesting theory about Mewtwo that can play specifically in X&Y:

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With the announcement of Mewtwo being the secret Movie 16 star, I kinda wonder what this may mean for the games. Even though it's unlikely, it might mean something. Previous generations were heavily promoted by the movies leading up to their release, but in this case the stars of the main movie (as opposed to the short) aren't new species. While Genesect was due for a movie role, Mewtwo already has a movie and a special (technically two specials) under its belt. Why would the Pokémon Company want the movie to be focused on Mewtwo unless it were relevant to the upcoming games?

Mewtwo's name has already been brought up in the context of X and Y due to the probable Genetics theme. But some fans seem to have dismissed that theory simply on the basis of Mewtwo (and Mew and Deoxys for that matter) being old news. But if Mewtwo is good enough for the movie, why would it seem out of place in the games? If anything, there should be some old legendaries in the games so that Game Freak don't have to go overboard with new legendaries just to fill some quota of sidequests. A lot of existing legendaries have untapped potential story-wise, and Mewtwo and Mew are among the prime examples.

While a movie-related download could work, Mewtwo has already been distributed in the current generation. It would be far better if it were catchable in X and Y and had some connection to the main story. Not only could Mewtwo's real origin story be finally told in full, but I could also see a connection to the new bonding feature. Dr. Fuji may have created Mewtwo solely for battling, but Mr. Fuji clearly doesn't see Pokémon that way. No doubt Mr. Fuji would want Mewtwo to finally find a trainer that could manage to open its heart and earn its trust.
On another note, the theory about Mew being the ancestor of (most) Pokémon could finally be touched upon. I wouldn't be surprised if Mew were connected to Xerneas and Yveltal. I mean, I personally think Mewtwo and Mew can have the potential of making a return with the theme of genetics. I mean, in the game, what do we actually know about Mewtwo other than it was man-made from Mew's genes, and that it was designed to be the ultimate fighting machine? I mean, aside from the anime, I think that maybe they can show more of Mewtwo's own personal feelings and own willpower.

Well, to now get to the actual point of this thread, do you think Mewtwo could play a greater role in the representation of the games and make Mewtwo something essential in the games? Could Mewtwo possibly play a significant role if there is a theme of genetics? Would Mewtwo influence the Gen 6's legendary pokemon in some way? Will Mew make a brief scene as well?
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Since the movie itself isn't made to promote Generation 6, I don't think Mewtwo being in it has any significance. Perhaps Mewtwo is just pissed off since humans started experimenting on Pokemon again (Genesect) Knowing the pain it brought him, he may just be there to put a stop to their plans.

I don't see anything about Mew being added in either. They would have added more to the movie captions if they intended to add a small segment about Mew.

Mewtwo is just popular enough to warrant multiple movies and has a similar background to Genesect.

Mew also has two movies, sharing the spot light with Mewtwo and a second Movie with Lucario, which was a promotion for Generation 4. Though Mew played no important roles in Generation 4.

The only Legendry Pokemon that I remember having a Movie that tied in with pre-release previews of new Generation Pokemon were the Legendary Beasts and Celebi (who also has 2 movies centered around it and anime cameo episodes) in the Zoroark movie. While none of them were available in Generation 5, they had specially released downloads that unlocked special events in the new games. This again was because of direct relation to promoting Gen 5.

The Genesect Movie doesn't Promote Gen 6 as far as we've been shown.
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Old February 16th, 2013, 09:58 PM
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Mmmm, trying to figure out a way to word my answer here, but it's not particularly easy.

It'd definitely be something that I'd find both interesting and incredible at the same time. Part of me just wants Gen VI to be a fresh, new experience, and leave past legendaries to their respective regions, but seeing as Mewtwo does play a role(as well as Mew and Deoxys) as far as the genetics theme is concerned, I wouldn't be too totally surprised if they had some sort of connection with the games as well, but I don't think they'll all show up at once, no no.

Storyline-wise? I believe Mew would have more of a connection with Xerneas and Yveltal more than Mewtwo. In fact, I don't really believe that Mewtwo would have anything significant to do within the storyline at all, and if anything at most it'd probably be a catchable lengendary.

So in short, I believe Mew would make more of a presence than Mewtwo in this generation.
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I agree to what XanderO said because Genesect was somewhat made the same way as Mewtwo it might just be there to help Genesect out.
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Hm... even though Mewtwo fits into the chromosomes theme of Pokémon X and Y, I don't really see it becoming essential to the storyline in the game. I'm probably just going to speculate that Mewtwo will just be given away as an event Pokémon alongside Genesect for the Genesect movie. Mewtwo could actually unlock some kind of secret in the game if you have it with you, like how the 3 legendary beasts allowed you to capture Zoroark in Black and White. This could be the same sort of thing happening all over again except with a totally new Pokémon.
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Just like i've just said before in chit-chat thread, Mwetwo can return, but ini post-game story not within the main storyline themselves. Let the new legendaries have their own showtime because certailny Mewtwo will steal it if he did appear.

If Mewtwo would appear, I demand Red make an appearance too :cer_shifty:
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As XanderO put it, the upcoming movie has so far been to further promote Gen V and its final Pokémon, Genesect. Mewtwo making an appearance will less than likely have anything to do with the main plotline of X and Y.

Not to deter from the discussion of the games, but the anime was supposed to begin this large feud between Team Rocket and Team Plasma earlier on in the season. Due to the tragedy that had struck Japan during that time, however, the episodes that were supposed to begin that feud never aired and future plotlines were probably altered. Considering how Genesect and Mewtwo share a commonality with one another, bringing in Mewtwo just make logical sense. It not only going to make up for the loss of the Team Rocket vs. Team Plasma rivalry that never happened, but it's another way to sell the movie seeing as Mewtwo is generally loved by a larger percentage of the fanbase.

They could potentially hold a movie event for Mewtwo that can later be transferred to X and Y to unlock an in-game event, but unless Mewtwo doesn't have any sort of connection with a new Pokémon in X and Y, I don't see the basis for creating one. Maybe Mewtwo can be found post-game somewhere in the region, but the main plotline of the new games shouldn't have to center around Mewtwo or Mew despite their genetic back story.

This is the time for the newer Pokémon to receive the attention they deserve, which isn't going to happen if we have older generation Pokémon available on top of having the main storyline center around one of Pokémon's older and bigger legendary icons.
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I see it as a chance for the anime to show off Mewtwo's signature move which it just gained this generation (V), leaving it as one of the only things yet shown.
If Mewtwo were to appear in the new games than they should make Deoxys, Mew, and GENEsct return too, it'll only be fair... though if they did that Sinnoh and Johto would lack returning legends...oh wait Arceus should show up to with divine retribution at hand. I don't think it'll happen.
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I don't think that Mewtwo would be essential to the games' storyline, but I actually wouldn't mind clarification on the creation of Mewtwo as a sort of side-story in the games (and going off the Japanese logos, it's not like that's impossible). The Cinnabar Journals, Mew, and even Mewtwo weren't major components of even gen 1's storyline--they were just a side-quest, a few puzzle pieces that didn't create the whole picture, but just enough for you to get the general idea.

Now I know that the Genesect/Mewtwo movie isn't meant to "advertise" for gen 6, but I still don't see why Mewtwo (and by that extent, Mew) can't be part of a side-quest in X and Y. Zoroark+The Crown Beasts and Zorua+Celebi was handled simply but nicely in BW, and I would honestly love for more in-depth events such as the ones in gen 4, including the Sinjoh Ruins and the battle with Giovanni. Mewtwo would be a great opportunity for that, offering older fans a chance to see a long-time favorite and finally uncover the mystery behind its creation, and giving the new fans an opportunity to catch/utilize the gen 1 Pokémon.
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I really don't see Mewtwo being significant in the games at all. I think it just shares a common background with Genesect, and therefore it making an appearance made sense in the context of the movie. I talk it up to coincidence when it comes to the timing of the movie being released. I don't see any event getting unlocked when transferring it over to X/Y when they come out.
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As I said in the general thread, I expect something from it. My expectations range from an in-game event lending some background to the canon to some kind of forme for it.
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Unlike the Beast and Zoroark movie, Mewtwo and the Genesect movie has absolutely nothing to do with Pokemon X and Pokemon Y. Genesect's movie is in Unova and is the final part to the Unova Legends. Since they are both Gen 5 related, there is little to do with future games. The Beast were in a Gen 5 Movie related to a Gen 5 Pokemon and were used to get that Gen 5 Pokemon. Mewtwo doesn't unlock Genesect as we've already had the event for Genesect.

They didn't even drop a secret like they did when they revealed Keldeo in the Kyurem Movie. Both Kyurem and Keldeo when Keldeo was finally shown to be part said there was some secrets being revealed. Mewtwo didn't show that. We just have a specific title with many possible meanings.
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It would be awesome to bring back some old legendary pokemon such as Mewtwo, Mew, even Jirachi. There is too many legendary pokemon as it is, there would be no problem just bringing back the old legendary pokemon back into the game
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It would be awesome to bring back some old legendary pokemon such as Mewtwo, Mew, even Jirachi. There is too many legendary pokemon as it is, there would be no problem just bringing back the old legendary pokemon back into the game
Well... Mewtwo will be in Genesect Movie, Jirachi will have episode in the upcoming episodes of anime...
I think there might be events including them or they will be put into the game directly.
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Well... Mewtwo will be in Genesect Movie, Jirachi will have episode in the upcoming episodes of anime...
I think there might be events including them or they will be put into the game directly.
Neither of those points have anything to do with X and Y though. The Movie and Anime are both Gen 5 related so if we get more download events its Gen 5 downloads.
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With increasing speculation about Mewtwo possibly having not just one, but maybe two forms, I'm beginning to think that Mewtwo may actually have some relevance in X/Y. Of course, that's assuming Mewtwo is even given a new form at all. If it were to have some importance in the game though, then I don't see it being anything more or near what the Arceus in-game event was like in HG/SS.
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I felt that the focus on Mewtwo in Gen V with the new signature move and it's presence in the TGC was wide, I even half expected them to make Pokemon Purple... now if Mewtwo get's new formes it's focus will be even greater, maybe it'll even get more of a focus than in generation 1 within these games...
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These are all the things that happened pertaining to Mewtwo from BW's release to now:

-Given a signature move: Psystrike
-Appearing in the Genesect movie (unsure if he's the same one from the first movie)
-Wi-Fi event
-Possible second form leak

Yeah, with so much focus on Mewtwo, I feel he may make a return. If that picture of the new form is true, it would be even more of a reason to include him in X/Y, especially since he finally has a signature move. Maybe if you take the Mewtwo received from the movie preorder event to some area in the game, you can unlock it or something like that.

But that's just my thoughts. xD
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Or maybe the Genesect event could activate a Mewtwo event where it attacks us like when we took the Shiny beasts to the Losthorn forest and were attacked by Zoroark.
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I heard a rumor somewhere that the Berserk Gene from G/S/C could make a comeback, which I guess would explain Mewtwo's supposed new forme, and perhaps even explain why the Berserk Gene wasn't in HG/SS.

Here's my theory, in the situation that the new forme is legit: in G/S/C, the Berserk Gene was a consumable item that could be found in Cerulean Cave that raised the user's Attack power. If the Berserk Gene were to make a comeback, then that would lead me to believe that the Berserk Gene has been repurposed to be a forme-changing item like the Reveal Glass or the DNA Splicers in BW2, and that Mewtwo's new forme is a berserk forme that's more Attack-focused than its base forme. Perhaps with X and Y, we'll get more of a backstory behind the Berserk Gene as a sort of callback to Gold and Silver.

I for one think the prospect of Gen I and II Pokemon getting new formes is great; it's been something I've been wondering about since the release of Gen V, since the last three generations have had at least one Pokemon with an alternate forme, and yet no Pokemon from Gen I and II has ever had one.

[EDIT] ...Why did I think you could go to Cerulean Cave in GSC?? I think HG/SS was messing with my memory or something. XD
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I do feel like this would be a good moment to have the item appear again as it was missing in gen IV's gen II remakes. However what could cause the second forme as it's believed that it has two new forms. Unless we get a choice of which forme to turn it into using one item
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I heard a rumor somewhere that the Berserk Gene from G/S/C could make a comeback, which I guess would explain Mewtwo's supposed new forme, and perhaps even explain why the Berserk Gene wasn't in HG/SS.

Here's my theory, in the situation that the new forme is legit: in G/S/C, the Berserk Gene was a consumable item that could be found in Cerulean Cave that raised the user's Attack power. If the Berserk Gene were to make a comeback, then that would lead me to believe that the Berserk Gene has been repurposed to be a forme-changing item like the Reveal Glass or the DNA Splicers in BW2, and that Mewtwo's new forme is a berserk forme that's more Attack-focused than its base forme. Perhaps with X and Y, we'll get more of a backstory behind the Berserk Gene as a sort of callback to Gold and Silver.

I for one think the prospect of Gen I and II Pokemon getting new formes is great; it's been something I've been wondering about since the release of Gen V, since the last three generations have had at least one Pokemon with an alternate forme, and yet no Pokemon from Gen I and II has ever had one.
I'd really like if that isn't true. Beserk Gene has also been rumored to reappear in roughly every game since its removal from the data coding in Ruby/Sapphire. It was rumored to appear in FR/LG and Emerald, but didn't. Someone said it would appear in D/P it didn't. Platinum rolled around still no Gene, and when the remakes appeared it was still gone. Its most likely been deleted for good just like Cacophony.

Also even if it gets an alternate form it may have no back story at all. Not all of them with form changes have stories. Even if they include it it can also be Post National dex.

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I do feel like this would be a good moment to have the item appear again as it was missing in gen IV's gen II remakes. However what could cause the second forme as it's believed that it has two new forms. Unless we get a choice of which forme to turn it into using one item
I sorta remember them saying they just removed it since it was scrapped data to begin with like Cacophony. It didn't appear in the remakes because it wasn't supposed to exist or something.
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I sorta remember them saying they just removed it since it was scrapped data to begin with like Cacophony. It didn't appear in the remakes because it wasn't supposed to exist or something.
I always thought Cacophony didn't exist because it was just Soundproof with a different name. I would assume it was originally meant to be a signature ability for the Whismur line, given their tendency to emit loud noises, and how all three are supposed to resemble some form of loudspeaker, but as you can see they now all have Soundproof for an ability which does the same thing as Cacophony. So I assume that's the reason the ability was never used.

And Berserk Gene falls under a similar category; it's a consumable item that raises Attack, but we already have X Attack, which does the exact same thing. It could always be brought back with a new purpose since it never existed in the games since Gen II, but of course the same could also be said for Cacophony (perhaps it could raise the power of sound attacks, like how Iron Fist raises the power of punches).
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I always thought Cacophony didn't exist because it was just Soundproof with a different name. I would assume it was originally meant to be a signature ability for the Whismur line, given their tendency to emit loud noises, and how all three are supposed to resemble some form of loudspeaker, but as you can see they now all have Soundproof for an ability which does the same thing as Cacophony. So I assume that's the reason the ability was never used.

And Berserk Gene falls under a similar category; it's a consumable item that raises Attack, but we already have X Attack, which does the exact same thing. It could always be brought back with a new purpose since it never existed in the games since Gen II, but of course the same could also be said for Cacophony (perhaps it could raise the power of sound attacks, like how Iron Fist raises the power of punches).
Cacophony was the Beta version of Sound Proof. So yes they were the same ability. It was removed later on.

I think Berserk Gene may have been beta item for X attack since you mention that. Which would be why it was removed.

As for is it possible for both to return in name alone? Yes, but then its a different item and not a returning one.


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Just noticed a huge kanto advertisement thing going on...Anime: Kanto Fair where they show the starters, showcase Kanto Pokemon in Unova...and Ash gets Charizard back...Ash is returning to Kanto for no real reason other than to end the season...Mewtwo promotions in B/W and Movie wise...Guys Gen 1 remakes for the 3DS OMG! XD If Mewtwo gets a new form watch...it'll happen just to go further into why he has a new form giving the remakes a further story again XD

All this Kanto business is just coincidence...don't think to hard about this. I'm just having fun~

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on that off topic: It's speculated that Kanto may appear in these games so that way the need for any more RG remakes will be gone for now...also next year is the tenth anniversity of FrLg...I don't really know what to think of it as I'm still a little tired of Kanto despite gen V's break.

On topic: Maybe they can make two new genes, and say in game that scientists developed the forms using the berserk gene that was left over creating new genes, as a kind of reference to the now obsolete item.
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