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Old March 9th, 2013, 09:06 PM
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I loved the choose your path in the E4. It gave you a chance to strategize before the battle. I kinda also hope To see something like Water, Fire, Electric, Grass as the E4 and A champ with 12 types on his team. It would be an amazing battle.
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What I'd like to see would be the Elite 4 having more diverse team. I mean, the gym leaders already have a monotype team, which can be challenging, but given the right type they are not that hard anymore. I think the Elite 4 having teams with 2 base types would be a bit more challenging and fun! These types could either complement each other (Steel+Electric, Ghost+Dark, Posion+Grass) or make up for each other's weaknesses. It would add a spin to what we are used to and make it a greater challenge!
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Old March 15th, 2013, 04:24 AM
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I agree. Two primary types could make e4 more interesting. Or three, even, as things would be much harder to take down then! Like ground/rock/steel and water/grass/fire etc.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 10:21 AM
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I'd actually like that a lot. I mean I get sticking with the theme of monotypes for the sake of the Gyms and Elite Four matching up, but if they had more than one type it'd actually be more of a challenge, which would make them actually elite to me. If anything, I'd just love to keep the champion as not having a single type of Pokémon, since if they're the one who beat the Elite Four the it's unlikely they only used one type.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 04:02 PM
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As long as at least one of the Elite Four's types is Dragon, I don't really mind about the rest. I suppose I feel this way because I kind of miss Drake from R/S/E, and I'd like kind of a similar feeling in one of the E4's in this generation~!
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Old March 15th, 2013, 09:00 PM
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As long as Normal and Flying get a place in the E4, I don't really mind what the others are really. Aside from Bug, which we got with Aaron, I think Normal and Flying would come across as types that you wouldn't expect to see as the focus of Elite trainers. I'd love it if those thoughts were proven wrong by bringing more light on them.
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I kinda don't want anything but the usual sets to be in the E4 this round. So any of the types from before (except dark since I want a dark gym).

Dragon, Fighting, Poison, Ice, Psychic, Ghost, Ground, or Fire (possibly already one).

I don't like the idea of a Normal or Flying type E4....neither seem decent enough to be there. Normal is ok and by far the bane of my existance as Gyms, but Normal types just don't seem like end boss material. Flying is forever an add on type with only 1 exclusion and its a Legendary Pokemon so it can defy logic as much as it wants since all legends tend to defy all logic, but there is still no Main type Flying Type Pokemon. Flying is always a sub type just thrown on IMO.
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I think they could definitely throw in some new types, not always the same one's. Just because a type doesn't feel like "end boss" material, it doesn't mean it couldn't be one.
I think it all depends on the Pokemon the Elite 4 has, not just their type.
Dragon should definitely be in there, since they usually make for the strongest Pokemon of every generation and have that epic feel to it...for the rest, i really don't mind seeing something new and unexpected.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 08:14 PM
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I don't like the idea of a Normal or Flying type E4....neither seem decent enough to be there. Normal is ok and by far the bane of my existance as Gyms, but Normal types just don't seem like end boss material. Flying is forever an add on type with only 1 exclusion and its a Legendary Pokemon so it can defy logic as much as it wants since all legends tend to defy all logic, but there is still no Main type Flying Type Pokemon. Flying is always a sub type just thrown on IMO.
That's the thing though; We should be pleasantly surprised by Elite Four who have gone through the troubles of making such types like Normal and Flying to be more 'end game' material than they have been in the past.

Regardless of what they are now(even though it's somewhat opinion), that stance can always change and should really. Any type should have just as much of a chance to shine, even if some are, in general, 'weaker'.
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I kinda don't want anything but the usual sets to be in the E4 this round. So any of the types from before (except dark since I want a dark gym).

Dragon, Fighting, Poison, Ice, Psychic, Ghost, Ground, or Fire (possibly already one).

I don't like the idea of a Normal or Flying type E4....neither seem decent enough to be there. Normal is ok and by far the bane of my existance as Gyms, but Normal types just don't seem like end boss material. Flying is forever an add on type with only 1 exclusion and its a Legendary Pokemon so it can defy logic as much as it wants since all legends tend to defy all logic, but there is still no Main type Flying Type Pokemon. Flying is always a sub type just thrown on IMO.
And Bug, Aaron has been the only E4 thus far with Bug. Sinnoh had the most original E4 imo, and I enjoyed it because of that, I didn't know what to expect. I hope they show more new types like Grass, Electric, Water, and Steel.
How about a E4 of Dragon, Steel, Water, and Bug after the champions with specialized types (Alder I saw as being a Bug specialist due to his team being half bug.)
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And Bug, Aaron has been the only E4 thus far with Bug. Sinnoh had the most original E4 imo, and I enjoyed it because of that, I didn't know what to expect. I hope they show more new types like Grass, Electric, Water, and Steel.
How about a E4 of Dragon, Steel, Water, and Bug after the champions with specialized types (Alder I saw as being a Bug specialist due to his team being half bug.)
Its kinda funny...could have sworn I included bug XD

As for Alder, since the bug types disappear in his B2W2 team you can easily say he's a non-specialist. The bugs were just there to fill in the gap. His main Pokemon was Baufallant too so it would be more Normal if so. Though that would be cool.
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Old March 17th, 2013, 07:58 AM
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That's an awesome way to pay tribute to the past :) Although also what if the elite four became the elite five and included everything from the past as e4?
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Old March 17th, 2013, 11:23 AM
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I'd actually love a Normal type Elite Four member. Those gyms are honestly always so freaking annoying (Whitney's Miltank, Norman's Slaking), so it's almost worthy to see one in there. There's so many normal dual-types they could potentially include in this region's Pokédex to make a power team as well.
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Old March 18th, 2013, 02:22 AM
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Normal just doesn't sound prestigious, imo. Maybe better fit for champion but I can't see it thrown in somewhere in the E4. :x
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Old March 18th, 2013, 12:34 PM
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How did Bug sound prestigious in Sinnoh? I don't really think it makes much of a difference "how it sounds". Normal types have been proven to be some of the most difficult types in the games, so it's about due to be part of the Elite Four.
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I agree, Normal types may sound easy, but imo they are actually pretty hard to beat. I remember Norman's Gym in RSE being really tough, probably one of the toughest out of the game. Sure, they are weak to fighting, but that's their only weakness, and most normal pokemon can learn a bunch of different moves of almost any type!
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Old March 19th, 2013, 04:55 AM
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I guess. But just I'd rather if it was a well-known strong type. Gym leaders with normals just seem gimmicky to me, while bug... doesn't. XD;
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Well known strong type? Can you please define that. I don't think people are giving other types enough credit and, if we're going by the 'well known' thing, is it really fair just because we haven't seen an Elite use such Pokemon? If anything, that should make it quite obvious that others need a spotlight.

Like's already been mentioned, Normal-types have been proven to be annoying as all hell to beat in past gyms, so why not step it up and let an Elite put them at the top level? I was going to mention types like Flying again because I feel all types should have that chance to be among the best, but I'll just focus on Normal here because of how flat out obvious it is that they are just as much of a force to be reckoned with as any type we've seen being used by Elites.

It's time to stop spamming the likes of Dark, Ghost, etc. and allow others a moment in the spotlight. Dragon is probably the only type that could believably be used more often in the E4 and be considered one of the top tiers in any region(even though I'm far from suggesting that they spam it too). Give the spammed ones a break.
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Well known strong type? Can you please define that. I don't think people are giving other types enough credit and, if we're going by the 'well known' thing, is it really fair just because we haven't seen an Elite use such Pokemon? If anything, that should make it quite obvious that others need a spotlight.
Oh I meant the ones often perceived to be the strongest, like dragon, etc. I'd just feel better if it was all out power, compared to the random things like attract/rollout Miltank and Slaking would be... better for e4?
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Oh I meant the ones often perceived to be the strongest, like dragon, etc. I'd just feel better if it was all out power, compared to the random things like attract/rollout Miltank and Slaking would be... better for e4?
If i may quote Karen, a member of the Johto Elite 4: "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best." Just because Dragon Types are perceived as strong and majestic, doesn't mean they are better or more powerful than any other pokemon type, it all depends on their trainer and training.

Personally, i found Norman and his 2 Slakings in RS way harder to beat than half the Hoenn Elite 4...
just thinking about a Elite 4 member with a Slaking around Lv 60 makes me shudder
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Oh I meant the ones often perceived to be the strongest, like dragon, etc. I'd just feel better if it was all out power, compared to the random things like attract/rollout Miltank and Slaking would be... better for e4?
They were mildly annoying, but they also got the job done and made it challenging. That's enough to justify it being a strong type. Bug was definitely not perceived to be a strong by anyone with all the easy Bug Catchers that you beat, yet that was in the Elite Four.
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If i may quote Karen, a member of the Johto Elite 4: "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best." Just because Dragon Types are perceived as strong and majestic, doesn't mean they are better or more powerful than any other pokemon type, it all depends on their trainer and training.

Personally, i found Norman and his 2 Slakings in RS way harder to beat than half the Hoenn Elite 4...
just thinking about a Elite 4 member with a Slaking around Lv 60 makes me shudder
This; It's nice to know there are other people who realize that any type can be strong, given they're raised and trained very well. That quote from Karen is one of my favorite quotes of the series because it is indeed the truth.

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They were mildly annoying, but they also got the job done and made it challenging. That's enough to justify it being a strong type. Bug was definitely not perceived to be a strong by anyone with all the easy Bug Catchers that you beat, yet that was in the Elite Four.
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If we're talking about underrated types being in the E4, then I'm surprised that Steel didn't get a mention at all, really.

With only three weaknesses, and mostly high defenses, I can definitely see it as being a force to be reckoned with. Not to mention that it would be quite interesting to see an E4 member actually play on the defensive, stalling out the player and forcing the player to think of other strategies to get through their stalling strategy.
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Although no one from the E4 has used Steel-type Pokémon, the champion of RS, Steven used them, and it was really hard if you didn't have Pokémon that were strong against them. As for Normal-type Pokémon in the E4, I totally agree, of all the gyms in Hoenn, IMO Norman's was the hardest, with super-defense and Pokémon that could learn almost any attack. And I've never liked gyms or the E4 to be monotypes, that makes them way easier, just catch a Pokémon strong against that type, train him, defeat the gym/E4 member and deposit him in the box forever. They could all be like Blue, he is the only gym leader (or E4 Champion or even E4 although he wasn't a part of it) who doesn't specialize in any type of Pokémon.
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As we know, Generation 5 changed the game with the Elite Four. Instead of the precedent set where you face them in a predetermined order, where each member became more difficult, you could choose the order you fought them in and they were all roughly leveled the same. Did you like that change and would you like to see it back for Generation 6? Would you prefer to go back to the old system? Is there some other way you'd like to see it play out?
I liked the way It was in Generation V, BUT, there was a predetermined order in a way. If you chose to read the statue in in the middle it tells you the order of easiest to hardest (I guess that marshal was hard to the devs, since it mentions him last) but you could still fight them in the order you wanted.
But still, I like the Gen. V way better then it was before.
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