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Old March 6th, 2013, 01:52 PM
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The one thing that has plagued the Pokémon games (in my opinion) is a lack of an ability to have more than one save file in the games. Instead, every time you wanted to start over, wiping your data was necessary, with the only way to back anything up being to trade them to someone else (if you had that ability). With the advance to 3DS technology, do you think it would be possible for X/Y to have multiple save files included in the games? Would it be possible that they could restrict you to one save file per difficulty level (if they are brought back)? Would you want/use more than one save file? Is there any other way you'd like to be able to save your Pokémon but starting a new journey?
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Old March 6th, 2013, 01:58 PM
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Honestly, Im gonna say I doubt there will ever be multiple save files. Although game cards have a lot of space now, I dont think Game Freak cares if you lose your data if you want to start again, thye'd honestly rather you buy another game card if you refuse to delete your save data, as it makes them more money. I honestly think this is at least part of the reason they havent made multiple save files. I somehow doubt we'll ever see it tbh, no matter what technology they offer.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:02 PM
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Honestly, Im gonna say I doubt there will ever be multiple save files. Although game cards have a lot of space now, I dont think Game Freak cares if you lose your data if you want to start again, thye'd honestly rather you buy another game card if you refuse to delete your save data, as it makes them more money. I honestly think this is at least part of the reason they havent made multiple save files. I somehow doubt we'll ever see it tbh, no matter what technology they offer.
Sadly, as cynical as that truly is, it's more than likely correct. Games running on the same technology back in the advanced era had multiple save files, and we still didn't have them. Money does make the world go round and allow them to have the money to develop more games and pay their employees, so it really does make sense if that would be their motivation. We can hope though!
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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:07 PM
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Multiple save files for Pokemon can happen technically, but I don't want it to. Pokemon carts always feel so unique cause of their own player per game feel, and they should always keep it like that. Not to mention I would be too bothered with the fact that you can't cheapen the starter wow factor by trading between saves.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:23 PM
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GF doesn't allow multiple save files due to a design choice, not technical impossibility. Because, IMO the way the game is designed, you really are supposed to never restart your game at all.

But multiple save files have existed ever since there was a possibility to have save files in the first place. Super Mario World had them, and it was the launch SNES title. You could have three save files in that game.
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Old March 7th, 2013, 05:40 AM
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In a perfect world, there would be as many save files as you could imagine, and everyone would have the freedom to restart their own journeys as much and as often as they wanted to, keeping the original file of their original journey and starting over on another save file just for the heck of it, or for whatever other reason they had. It's because of this that I personally do vouch for another save file, at least just in case anyone wants to make a new adventure or something, and I can imagine it would especially be useful or those people who want to do challenges, but don't want to save over their original journey file, so I can see how that can become quite a hindrance.

I'd say at least add one more, if that's not too much to ask.
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I'd kill for them to finally give us the ability to have multiple saved files. I hate deleting data after amassing a huge amount of rare/high levelled pokemon or completing a lot of challenges.

Unfortunately, it isn't financially prudent to make this happen. They'll make more money if people buy more games so they can restart without losing all of their achievements. So as has been said, they should for us fans but won't because money always trumps the opinions of customers, regardless of what the saying says.
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GF doesn't allow multiple save files due to a design choice, not technical impossibility. Because, IMO the way the game is designed, you really are supposed to never restart your game at all.
^This. My thinking is that GameFreak doesn't really expect lots of people to just dump all of the Pokemon they've caught and start over all the time. I restarted Ruby one time after beating it. I'll never do that again unless I've gotten all of my good Pokemon off that game. But with the Generations moving like they do, I don't feel the need to restart a Gen 3 or 4 game with Gen 6 on the way.

But no, I don't think this is GameFreak trying to "cheat" fans into buying more games. I can't imagine anyone has ever actually beaten White and then when and bought another White because there wasn't another save file. (They may have bought Black, but that's the 2nd version.) The way the games work, I feel like restarting your game isn't really something GameFreak expects most of their players to do. And it would decrease the value of the rarer Pokemon. I don't expect this to change since trading is still a huge part of the Pokemon series.
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Old March 7th, 2013, 07:52 AM
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I feel like the argument that they don't expect people to start over doesn't really make much sense. Let's take any other game for example, like Ocarina of Time (regardless of save files). Have you ever wanted to play through the story again just to see it, because sitting at the point where you've beaten it already has gotten stale? Maybe you want to do a challenge through it (Like a 3 Heart challenge for example). Maybe you want to see how fast you can beat it.

That translates over to Pokémon as well. People start games over because they get bored with their file. Not everyone likes to trade with people, battle other people, or just play the Elite Four or Battle Frontier over and over again. They want to experience the journey again with a whole new set of Pokémon. Maybe they want to do a challenge on it (Like a Nuzlocke or Monotype), or even do a speed run of it.

Point being, a lot of people do restart their games, and it would be nice to see multiple save files for the large group of people who do like to do so.
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But no, I don't think this is GameFreak trying to "cheat" fans into buying more games. I can't imagine anyone has ever actually beaten White and then when and bought another White because there wasn't another save file. (They may have bought Black, but that's the 2nd version.) The way the games work, I feel like restarting your game isn't really something GameFreak expects most of their players to do. And it would decrease the value of the rarer Pokemon. I don't expect this to change since trading is still a huge part of the Pokemon series.
I did this actually. After beating White, I went and bought Black a month later just so I could play through the story again. It was like an excuse to get both. xD

Yeah, I don't see Pokemon as a game you would restart. The only time I'd ever consider restarting is if I've already traded all the Pokemon from a previous gen game to the current gen game. If I was bored, I'd restart that previous gen game. Tbh, I don't see multiple save files happening anytime soon, maybe at all.
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Old March 7th, 2013, 11:31 PM
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I can see how having just one save file conveys that special feeling to each cartridge, like every game has this long and never ending adventure, and i guess thats okay for people who like to battle/trade online or maybe even complete the whole pokedex...

In my opinion though, i would love to have more than just one save file, even if it was just one more.
The thing about Pokemon that appeals most to me is how many different Pokes there are and how many different teams you can build. I always have trouble deciding on what Pokemons i wanna use on my journey, and having more than one save file would make this so much easier.
Also, i recently started doing challenges, and having more than 1 save file would be a blessing for this
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Old March 8th, 2013, 11:47 AM
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I don't really have an issue, since I can always trade to another game to keep my Pokemon, but the big problem I have is the gift Pokemon from events who have ribbons or whatever that make it impossible for you to trade them... If the promotion had ended, you can never get that Pokemon again, should you want to restart. You have to delete your event Pokemon...

I have a funny feeling I'm going to end up with multiple copies of X and Y... I have 6 B2W2 copies already... (One of each in Japanese, and two of each in English.)

I don't terribly mind buying extra copies, though I hope for sales, since used games are pretty much the same price as new copies when it comes to Pokemon... (I did take advantage of that recent Best Buy sale. lol)

But if there aren't sales (and I really wouldn't count on it, at least not too often, nor too close to release) it doesn't really help... I mean, I can pay full price... But I'm cheap and poor, I don't want to! XD

I think there's not enough aftergame content for just one file to be enough though. Maybe if they had some sort of quests where you have to catch and use low level Pokemon or something... Then you would have more motivation to catch early game Pokemon you may have passed over initially... I dunno, I'm not so into competitive battling so for me the game just ends after the story is over... I end up doing minigames over and over (contests, game corner, underground, etc.) and nothing else really... So for casual players it might be nice to at least have more motivation to keep playing, if there continues to be only one file.

I wish there was more than one file though... Because it's more fun to try and experience the adventure in many different ways. In one of my games I am doing a speed run, and in another one, I am doing a really slow run where I don't move on until I catch ever Pokemon available. lol And in some games I'm playing with a set team the whole way through, and in others I'll just catch and use whatever I feel like, and swap out for different situations, which is what I used to always do as a kid, before wifi, in the old days. XD I really think it would be more fun to play more than one file. Pokemon games, as they are now, are really short games. You can beat them, including the after game, in really maybe a week or a month, if you put in a few hours a day... But the games are much much further apart. If you aren't interested in competitive battles or completing your Pokedex, but want to still play Pokemon, what do you do? You start from the beginning... But if you don't want to lose your Pokemon, items, file, etc. you have to buy a whole new game and that kinda sucks.

All that said, I really don't expect it, after all this time, despite how much I want it... It just doesn't seem like simply moving up to the 3DS would be enough reason for them to implement it. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.
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I doubt they will ever allow us more than one file, it gives us more of an incentive to buy the second version of the game. Why give up on the money?
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I would definitely like to see multiple save files. People do restart their games for reasons that Jake mentioned. They got bored of their current file, want to play through again testing a new team, trying a challenge etc. The only reason why Gamefreak would restrict it to one of course is for profit. They earn more money from getting people to buy new games instead of implementing multiple save files, that's just what they do. I'm sure it isn't impossible seeing as games on much older consoles could manage it take the Zelda series for example. But I'm guessing they'll stick to the one save file thing again unfortunately. :(
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Just because a lot of people don't like playing with others doesn't mean that any one MMO should make a single-player mode.

It's great that fans have come up with ways to enjoy and challenge themselves with the Pokémon games. But Pokémon really is meant to be played once, with one save file. That's you in that game--you can't really have multiples of yourself in reality, right? It's a design choice made to make the game more immersive. In games with multiple save files, I don't worry nearly as much about my choices, because I know I can simply play again on another save file and do things differently there.
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Just because a lot of people don't like playing with others doesn't mean that any one MMO should make a single-player mode.

It's great that fans have come up with ways to enjoy and challenge themselves with the Pokémon games. But Pokémon really is meant to be played once, with one save file. That's you in that game--you can't really have multiples of yourself in reality, right? It's a design choice made to make the game more immersive. In games with multiple save files, I don't worry nearly as much about my choices, because I know I can simply play again on another save file and do things differently there.
Hundred percent agree with you. I actually do the same thing. My original files are still saved on all of these games: Fire Red, Ruby, Heart Gold, Black, Black 2. I just can't let go of how much I have done on them, and those are truly my characters on my games.
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Just because a lot of people don't like playing with others doesn't mean that any one MMO should make a single-player mode.

It's great that fans have come up with ways to enjoy and challenge themselves with the Pokémon games. But Pokémon really is meant to be played once, with one save file. That's you in that game--you can't really have multiples of yourself in reality, right? It's a design choice made to make the game more immersive. In games with multiple save files, I don't worry nearly as much about my choices, because I know I can simply play again on another save file and do things differently there.
This game is PRIMARILY a single player game. All the multiplayer aspects are completely optional. I don't feel like I should be locked into a one save file because they think it's going to break immersion. For me, the immersion breaks the second I don't want to continue playing and I get bored with my choices. That doesn't mean I want to lose all the stuff I've worked for though. I'd just prefer there to be more than one save file (even if it was just two) so I could actually make a choice more than once so I can see what would come of it without losing everything.
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I would absolutely love for this to be a feature, so I could have my finished game and my game for challenges or restarting or whatever. However, the reason they don't do this and the reason I don't really want this, is that I'm sure having two save files on a game takes up a ton of memory space on the cartridge or whatever, which could be used to make the game much more indepth and awesome and whatnot. The only thing I could really see happening is something like... maybe if they had something called a time machine setting for your PC, and once you put that on your PC you couldn't access it anymore. Then, you could restart your game and once you beat the E4 all your pokemon in the PC from your old file would be there in your new file's PC. Cuz it's really only the pokemon people care about when considering restarting their game, right?
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I think it is an established tradition in pokemon to have one save file only and it is not likely to change anytime soon.
I also think you establish a bond with the character and the creatures you have captured so by having only one save file they try to enchance that bond....or force you to buy another cartiage.
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I want the 3 save files that most Nintendo games offer, but I doubt that would happen. Of course there would be no option to copy save files, but it would still be nice. That's the reason I always backed up my Pokemon games to a flashcard when I beat them. I wanted more save options.
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I would enjoy it, but then I'd just be annoyed I couldn't use it in previous generations... :( So yes, but it'd make me sad!
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I actually wouldn't mind having multiple save files, but I feel like it'd take away the emphasis of what makes it special to have just one. Maybe that's just me being overly sympathetic with it being the tale of our story and adventure, I don't know. That being said, I don't see it happening. Not in a long while. They've had the open option to do multiple save files before, I'm sure, but never bothered to do it. Perhaps it would have an effect on sale prices.

I am curious though, should it ever be done, do you think they'd allow transfer of Pokémon and items to be done between files?

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i'm fine with one file, thanks.
hey guys, you know there's a trick for having more then one file on any 3DS game as long as its downloadable. and everyone is saying it'll be downloadable. when you want to get a new file, use a different SD card. it's as simple as that. it'll keep your save file on the first SD card and you'll be free to start a new game. i did this for dillons rolling western and haven't seen anything bad happening to my save files.
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Just because a lot of people don't like playing with others doesn't mean that any one MMO should make a single-player mode.

It's great that fans have come up with ways to enjoy and challenge themselves with the Pokémon games. But Pokémon really is meant to be played once, with one save file. That's you in that game--you can't really have multiples of yourself in reality, right? It's a design choice made to make the game more immersive. In games with multiple save files, I don't worry nearly as much about my choices, because I know I can simply play again on another save file and do things differently there.
Which doesn't describe a game where you are forced to click "Yes" all the time or otherwise, you can't play the game. Immersive my foot. A game like GTA or Fable is far more immersive than Pokemon could ever be because Pokemon is based too much on a rigid story than on one's experience. The prime example is in HGSS where this guy blocks my path to the route of Blackthorn City. Why should I as an individual, if its based around experiences , be constrained by some peddler who should by all reasons be in prison for aiding a terrorist organization? Even if not, why can't I run around him, push him out of the way and just continue on my journey like in real life, if this is a supposed one life experience?

Since Pokemon is not based on your experience so much as forced choices and lack of freedom to moving realistically through terrain [Why can't I just get a motorcycle, boat and personal airplane instead of relying on animals for it in a modern world?] and to choose your own path, why not have extra saves since much of this reasoning is moot?

Let's be clear on one thing. If life was like a Pokemon game in the fact I couldn't make a real choice outside of saying yes all of the time , I'd become a part of an evil group like Team Rocket because I wouldn't have to play lip service to every punk I meet in order to go on with my life and become successful rather than being able to freely make choices in a free fashion like in real life, and have consequences for them. Life would be disastrous if people agreed to everything people asked them to do.

But this is a game, so why should it matter how many saves are in it right? It doesn't take away any sort of identity away if you get another save since the game itself does not adhere to the mechanics of real life or of open field RPGs like GTA or Fable that allow you to make real decisions.

I hope that if they make the game truly immersive, then one save will be justifiable, but if its downloadable as others say, I can deal with that.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 07:49 PM
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I don't think you should ever be able to have multiple save game files. The game simply put, wouldn't feel right. It's just so fun to go buy an old cartridge Pokemon game and look through the old owner's boxes and party and check out what they did on their adventure. If you were able to start multiple files the Pokemon wouldn't be as original. I feel as if Game Freak meant to only make one save file possible because the new cards could hold multiple, they just choose not to.
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