The greatest Adventurer

[deathbymanga]

Which Pokedex holder do you think is the most successful? I don't mean in terms of bad-ass-ery, or realize importance to the plot. I mean, which character has had so many more accomplishments throughout the story that it makes them the most important character of them all?

Please leave as detailed an argument as you can make. Let's get really sophisticated here

[GreenBeece]

I'd say Platinum Berlitz. She is the only character who defeated all the eight Gyms and the Battle Frontier facilities (although she didn't defeat Palmer "on-screen") of her region in shorter time than Sapphire or Emerald defeated the Hoenn Gyms and Battle Frontier, respectively, and won a Pokémon Contest (Normal Rank, Cool-category). Not forgetting defeating a villainous team twice together with her friends, Diamond and Pearl.

[heretostay123]

I personally think Red is the most successful. For one thing, he IS bad-ass. He is the trainer that put Proffessor Oak on the map. He defeated the elite four with a team of basic types (fire, grass, water, normal, electric) and with a Pikachu none-the-less. He climbed Mt. Steel and he friggin' lives there. I may be a little biased, because Red's from Kanto and that was my favorite region, but Red is amazing. His lone-wolf personality just makes him mysterious and gives him a sense of power. He seems like the kind of guy who would do anything to protect his friends.

[deathbymanga]

true, but while she did win the gym battles, two of them were not given because of battles. And the first 3 were done with help from Dia and Pearl. She didn't really earn half of the badges she got the official way. Sapphire had to challenge all the gyms herself, the only one not counting is the last one, though I'm sure she went back for an official challenge, judging by her own personality.

And you can't use the Bad guys as an excuse, as that was plot convenience. The rules of this are stuff they did OUTSIDE of the plot

[GreenBeece]

Sapphire didn't defeat Wattson in a Gym nor fought him officially, he gave her the Badge for defeating the machine in New Mauville. So she earned seven Badges by fighting Gym Leaders. The only one Platinum didn't fight the Gym Leader officially for was the sixth Badge as Byron gave it to her, although after she succesfully averted his Pokémon's attack while battling him nevertheless. And I can only count two Gym Badges she earned with the subtle help from Dia or Pearl (the first and the fifth ones).

The rules; weren't, lessay, called rules before. Just saying "not plot-wise". How nice of you (you ought to change it) ^.^