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Old April 14th, 2013, 03:42 PM
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because hes superbrock and we already had brock anyways so i just feel like its a repetitive character. thats ok tho agree to disagree
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Repetitive character? Certainly not. On a surface level it may appear that Cilan has taken Brock's place and functions, but really he's not Brock at all. He cooks, yes. He is the oldest and most experienced of the group, yes. But Cilan's a Sommelier rather than a Breeder/Pokémon Doctor. They both have their passions but the only thing that overlaps is cooking- Cilan is interested in trains, space, fishing, and film whereas Brock focuses on women and Pokémon care. Cilan prefers to spend nights in a Pokémon Centre or hotel, while Brock is a camper. Brock is fairly skilled at mapreading and orienteering while Cilan tends to rely on his GPS thingy. Even their most-made dish is different- Cilan generally makes sandwiches and Brock makes stew.

There was a reason Brock left, you know. He was becoming so very stagnant, rather like Ash has been. And they weren't about to just replace him with a character who was basically the same, because that would not solve the problem at all. So we got Cilan, who is quite different. You may not like him, but he sure as hell is not very much like Brock.

also don't just say agree to disagree when you haven't even presented or heard the arguments gosh
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Old April 14th, 2013, 05:30 PM
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i understand your points, i must confess these are only my first impressions of cilan as i have only just started watching the black and white arc. we'll see if he grows on me.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 05:46 PM
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Ah you've only just started? Well then that makes sense that you'd see him like that haha. Just don't compare him to Brock and he'll probably grow on you. :3 Are you watching the English dub or Japanese w/ subtitles or something else?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 05:56 PM
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im watching the dub, not a big fan of japanese ones
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Old April 14th, 2013, 06:04 PM
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Fair enough. I personally tend to get mildly annoyed at the dialogue choices in the dub after I've watched the episodes in Japanese, but I will watch them if they're on. Or when I'm with someone who would prefer the dub. Also I swear the dub makes Cilan's character more flat so :|
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Old April 14th, 2013, 10:42 PM
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Boy don't critisize Cilan in front of Anna guys. You know she will rip you apart :D.
Coming back to the thread what I said earlier was just because in past episodes many characters from other regions appear in the anime and became sort of rivals with Ash. Speaking of Which it made me wished for Old Paul to comeback. You know appearing as a vacationer in the Dekorora...
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Old April 15th, 2013, 04:02 PM
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i wish for paul back too, he was probably ash's best rival, as they differed in almost every way. just another character i'd like to inquire about is tobias, the guy that beat ash in the sinnoh league. what's his deal? how in the world does he have darkrai and latios? from what ive seen in the anime i thought it was nearly impossible to catch legendary pokemon in pokeballs. help me out here guys.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:14 PM
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Boy don't critisize Cilan in front of Anna guys. You know she will rip you apart :D.
eheh. yeah. that does tend to happen, oops...

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i wish for paul back too, he was probably ash's best rival, as they differed in almost every way. just another character i'd like to inquire about is tobias, the guy that beat ash in the sinnoh league. what's his deal? how in the world does he have darkrai and latios? from what ive seen in the anime i thought it was nearly impossible to catch legendary pokemon in pokeballs. help me out here guys.
Tobias? we don't know crap about him. We don't know why he's got a Latios or where it came from- it certainly wasn't from Altomare unless Latias was preg with her brother's kids before he died i mean what. We don't know why he's got Darkrai- it could be the one from Canclave, but I feel like that would have upset the balance and idk man he cray. I don't know why they gave him legends when they could have just given him normal or relatively unusual Pokémon who were trained to be ridiculously strong. Like a normal trainer would have.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 10:31 PM
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We could have Gary back too... xD

I think it would be a good Idea if all of Ash's Rivals come together in one episode and do some epic battling xD
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We could have Gary back too... xD

I think it would be a good Idea if all of Ash's Rivals come together in one episode and do some epic battling xD
I'm sure we will see Gary again. Probably doing something the same as he did in Sinnoh.
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I'm sure we will see Gary again. Probably doing something the same as he did in Sinnoh.
Yeah I would love to see new Pokemon from good old Gary :3
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I'm suddenly getting upset over the "Ash is still 10" thing again guys. Like if Ash is still 10, how is Gary going to grow up and become a fully-fledged researcher? And how is Max ever going to be old enough to begin his Pokémon journey? Or does the non-ageing only apply to Ash? Is everyone he knows going to grow old and die around him? I'm sad and angry now. :( Especially about Max. RSEmakes better bring another trip to Hoenn with Max joining the group as a trainer.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 05:11 PM
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technically hes 11 because the producers said all thats gone on has taken place in a year. i agree maybe at least have him not be a noob after every new arc begins, and show that hes actually learned something over time. the show wouldnt be as good if he was 26 like he should be now, but maybe if he was like 15, it wouldnt be too bad.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 05:18 PM
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Right, right. He was explicitly 10 when Unova began, so that apparently means his adventures through four regions and an archipelago took place over about 11 months and 3 weeks. If somebody said he's turned eleven in Unova, well that's a start. But he should certainly have been at least fourteen by now, considering where he was at in experience and maturity during Sinnoh. If they were going to let time move for Ash, why wouldn't they have claimed him to be at least twelve at the beginning of Unova? That'd be sensible enough and it's not like the viewers have any particular timeline to go by. But to start ageing him now... that's weird.
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which leads me to another question. how come when iris and trip make fun of him he doesnt come back at them with "i just made it to the best four in the sinnoh league" or something like that to make them shut up. whenever max made fun of him in hoenn he came back with his best eight at the johto league. there seems to be a disconnect there
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Oh I know. He may have been forced to be a kid, but damn what an accomplished kid! And although Unova is geographically separated from other regions, it's not like they don't know about them or wouldn't know the significance of Ash's accomplishments. Goodness. I really think they should have incorporated Ash's experience level into the Unova saga. I mean he may not know much about the Pokémon, but he certainly ain't crap at battling. He should have had a younger companion to teach about type advantages and such who could then teach him about the regional 'mon. They would have been a great team with Cilan to look out for them and be responsible and piece things together.
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yeah iris is kinda annoying and she really doesnt contribute much to the show as far as ive seen. as soon as ash got to unova it just seemed like he forgot everything that happened in the past.
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I like Iris well enough and she works well with Ash how he is now, but she def wouldn't if he had retained his experience. And she's gotten some good backstory and character development. I just wish the writes would let Cilan have the same ;__; and Ash as well because dang that boy hasn't really gotten anywhere this season. :(
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I'd love to see more from Cilan. I really want to see why he afraid of Purrloin. We got an explanation why Misty was afraid of Gyarados after all.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 07:23 PM
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There's apparently going to be something to do with Purrloin in his upcoming Decolora episode, but I'm not getting anything from the summary that looks like actual explanation. I want that. And some more cool battles with him involved. And more tag battles because wow he and Ash worked prety well together the two times they did. And he and Iris did well together last ep. More tag battles please <3
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Old April 16th, 2013, 07:47 PM
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Maybe Cilan will catch a Purrloin, like Misty obtained a Gyarados.
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Oh man. Oh man. He should accidentally catch it before he's conquered his fear and distrust of it and they should get a mini-arc where he's trying to learn to train the one Pokémon species he just can't handle. omg. I want this.
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Haha, maybe it's just that Cilan has a cat phobia :3

Anyways if that were to happen I'll be really looking forward to it. :3
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Nah, nah, he's just fine with Meowth. Apparently a Purrloin wronged him in the past somehow idk. Also he may well be over-dramatizing the incident, as seems to be a habit of Sommeliers. (see: Burgundy) I'm just really excited now for no reason since they're probably not going to give us even a smidge of explanation. :')
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