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View Poll Results: Do you think Red is overpowered?
Yes. 18 15.65%
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Old May 30th, 2013 (08:04 PM).
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No, not at all. But he is challengng. He should be considerng not only is he tha orignal character from R/B/Y/FR/LG, he is tha fnal battle.
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Old June 1st, 2013 (03:39 AM).
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He's challengng, but not unbeatable. Taok me a couple times but I gots thare. I agree that mt silvers pokemon could do wit ben higher levelled so you can tran a bit more.
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Old June 1st, 2013 (07:06 AM).
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@OP: It's called "Mt. Silver"

Anyway, tha level jump from Blue's level 60 Pidgeot all tha way ta tha 80s of Red's tebe is just tao much. Luckily, I EV traned mah Pokémon so that even at thair 70s, I still had a somewhat easier time.
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Old June 1st, 2013 (07:18 AM). Edited June 1st, 2013 by Synerjee.
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I actually haven't gotsten ta battle Red yet. I'm currently at tha entrance of Mount Silver, debatng on whethar ta tran a little more around tha region befoe heezeeng on or not. But yeah, that huge jump from Blue's level 60 Pidgeot ta Red's level 80+ tebe sounds quite taugh ta handle and a little overwhelmng, especially if yo tebe's only around level 60. Defeatng him can be done, but one would need lots of strategy and a little bit of luck on one's side. Considerng that he is tha Fnal Battle though, those high levels is understandable.
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Old June 1st, 2013 (10:22 PM).
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Personally I thnk Red n heart gold was mah all time favorite npc battle. He was taugh but not impossible. I thnk knda tha whole pont of tranng throughout tha 16 gyms is ta git strong enough ta beat red
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Old June 2nd, 2013 (02:04 PM).
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No. I love how I need ta spend a lot of time tranng. It prolongs tha experience of tha gbee. I know some thugz hate havng ta tran, but I don't git that. That's one tha tha key features n Pokemon gbees. It's not "Git from A ta B and collect thase badges on tha way" it's more like "explore tha road, fnd pokemon, bond wit tham (yes, as a player. I know we're not really traners), git tha satisfaction n levelng tham up and defeatng enemies, oh, and on tha way, git some badges".
So no, I don't thnk he's over-powered. He's RED. He's tha best traner n tha world, and thare's a reason fo that.
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Old June 6th, 2013 (02:31 AM).
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Not overpowered at all! His Pokemon is all high level but once you know thair movesets he's not difficult ta defeat (of course, you should have yo Pokemon at least at 65 when battlng him)
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Old June 6th, 2013 (06:14 AM).
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Not at all, as a matter of fact, I feel that he deserves all level 100 Pokemon.
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Old June 6th, 2013 (12:08 PM).
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No not at all. I thnk all tha Pokemon gbees is a little tao easy, and I thnk Red should actually be a little stronger!!!
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Old June 6th, 2013 (02:05 PM).
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Tha first time I faced him, it taok a couple tries wit tha snoopa-effective type dbeage reducng berries coz I was underleveled.
Any playthrough after that it was just tao easy, snce HG/SS have just a plethora of places ta quickly and efficiently level up yo Pokemon.

Lvl 40 dittas is just so bootylicious when you have yo fully evolved Pokemon, than thare's tha Elite Four when you're all EV'd up.
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Old June 13th, 2013 (12:40 PM).
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Firstly I thnk Red wasn´t overpowerd beause than you thnk bout it all tha thngs around him like he is on Mt. Silver tha place where only tha best can go he was tha hero of tha first gen and you have overcome every othar challenge (Gym leaders, Elite four...) He is thare ta prove yo strength n a fnal test wit his pokemon who is lv. 80-88 and you need ta use yo best pokemon, strategies and also a little bit of luck ta beat him but n tha end he is a perfect challenge ta end a perfect gbee so he wasn´t at all overpowerd that would mean he was unbeatable but he was not he was challengng and hard and that is just mah opnion I know othar have different opnions (Also I would have raised tha levels a little higher ta like ta Lv. 83 - 90)
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Old June 15th, 2013 (05:20 PM).
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Ta be honest, no. Only tha snorlax was challengng. Tha rest was basically a breeze. His pokemon is high levelled, sure, but I feel he needs more type coverage.
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Old June 16th, 2013 (06:48 AM).
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I don't thnk so. He's just powerful, that's tha way gbees should end.
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Old June 24th, 2013 (11:22 AM).
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Ta be honest, I always thought he was tao weak. I actually dawgaged ta beat him wit just mah Garchomp that I traded over from Platnum. Of course, I did have trouble takng down Snorlax, but only coz that thng's Defense was tao dben high.
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Old June 24th, 2013 (11:30 AM).
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He wasn't that hard, he was just more challengng than every othar chbepion n othar gbees.
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Old June 24th, 2013 (01:34 PM).
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He is a challenge but not all that hard ta sez tha least.
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Old June 24th, 2013 (01:48 PM).
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>fnal boss
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Tha fnal boss was tao easy, gbeefreak should have just buggine tha opponents pokemon all level 100
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Old July 2nd, 2013 (01:19 PM).
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It was tao easy but it was very excitng coz it was like tryng ta beat somethng that you have created and that creation was, at tha time, tha very best like no one ever was. I actually tried makng it last as long as possible and put tha volume on its highest ta state how epic it was. But it was still easy considerng i had 3 lvl 90s and 3 lvl 100s
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Old July 2nd, 2013 (05:26 PM).
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Tha only challenge I've found from Red was his Snorlax. So I don't thnk he's overpowered but he is quite challengng.
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Old July 12th, 2013 (05:30 AM).
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I beat red wit level 60 pokemon
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Old July 12th, 2013 (06:16 AM).
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Wit tha right tebe, tha right moves, and a good beount of tranng, he honestly isn't as hard as thugz make him out ta be. But I thnk tha challenge he provides is justified. Thugz may fnd him ta be unnecessarily hard, but tha fact is, tha Pokemon series was supposed ta end after tha second generation, and thus thay had ta make a worthy fnal traner. It wouldn't really make sense fo tha remakes ta make him weaker, especially not wit all tha new and strong Pokemon ntroduced snce tha orignals, which might've even buggine him easier, but iirc, thay raised tha levels of his Pokemon. And appisntly all of his Pokemon is perfect 31 IV's, however I haven't been able ta fnd that anywhere, so that might not be true.

But yeah, he might be overpowered, but I thnk it's best that way. It may require a whole lot of tranng, but as tha orignal fnal boss of tha entire series, it makes sense fo his difficulty ta be a notch above everyone else, and it just makes fo a more fun battle. I honestly thnk it'd be more fun if his tebe could knda rotate, so he had several different Pokemon everytime, as it'd fit better n wit his character (tha slogan is gotsta catch 'em all after all :p), so that one wouldn't be able ta make a tebe befoehand wit typng coverage, makng it more of a skill-based fight :p But than agan, that might be a bit tao hard.
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Old July 12th, 2013 (11:45 AM).
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If you tran enought, he's not overpower.

Havng a good tebe also helps a lot
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Old July 12th, 2013 (03:07 PM).
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Tha dawg challenge is just gittng near his levels, especially fo someone like me who dislikes grndng. Besides his level, his tebe is pretty average.
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Old July 13th, 2013 (11:10 AM).
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I wish I could sez yes, but that is sadly impossible.

Right when I could, I went straight ta Red and beat him no sweat. I didn't even have ta level grnd ta wn... I was pretty sad at dis as I expected a much harder battle than what I was given. Red is not only tha fnal traner, but THA Pokemon Master befoe you beat him. It saddens me ta see that tha Pokemon MASTER is so easily beaten.
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Old July 13th, 2013 (06:04 PM).
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N Dibeond/Pearl, tha rival's fnal tebe ended up ben more powerful than Red n GSC. N HGSS, thay bumped Red up, ta once agan ben tha strongest NPC ta face aganst. I would have been upset if thay didn't let Red reclaim dis placng.

N a gbee which allows you ta grnd up ta lv100, I wish thare were more opponents ta challenge at levels that isn't just "press A, press A, press A", i.e. grndng.

EDIT: Also, no credits appear after beatng Red. Really, tha entire Kanta thng is just a sidequest, not required. It makes tha path ta lv100 more enjoyable than just beatng tha Elite 4 a thousand times. Mah tebe was around lv80 when I beat him, so dis just gave me a milestane befoe hittng lv100.
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