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Old June 26th, 2013 (06:16 AM).
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In a landmark ruling for gay rights, the Supreme Court on Wednesday struck down the Defense of Marriage Act, the 1996 law blocking federal recognition of same-sex marriages.

The decision was 5-4, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy.

“DOMA instructs all federal officials, and indeed all persons with whom same-sex couples interact, including their own children, that their marriage is less worthy than the marriages of others,” the ruling said. “The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and to injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity.”

Cheers went up outside the Supreme Court, where supporters of gay marriage waved signs, rainbow banners and flags with equality symbols.

The law helps determine who is covered by more than 1,100 federal laws, programs and benefits, including Social Security survivor benefits, immigration rights and family leave.

The ruling comes as states are authorizing gay marriage with increasing speed — 12 plus the District of Columbia now allow it — and with public opinion having turned narrowly in favor of gay marriage.

Under the law, gay couples who are legally married in their states were not considered married in the eyes of the federal government, and were ineligible for the federal benefits that come with marriage.

The case before the Supreme Court, U.S. v. Windsor, concerned Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer, a lesbian couple who lived together in New York for 44 years and married in Canada in 2007.

When Spyer died in 2009, Windsor was hit with $363,000 in federal estate taxes. Had the couple been considered by the federal government to be married, Windsor would not have incurred those taxes.

President Bill Clinton signed the act into law in September 1996. A court ruling in Hawaii had raised the prospect that that state might become the first to authorize gay marriage.

At the time, some members of Congress believed that the Defense of Marriage Act might be a compromise that would take the air out of a movement to amend the Constitution to block gay marriage.
YAY! That's all I can say, other than: It's about bloody time!
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Old June 26th, 2013 (06:43 AM).
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EDIT: In other news, Prop 8 was dismissed for lack of standing.
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Old June 26th, 2013 (06:46 AM).
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I liked DOMA

I wanted DOMA and DOCU (Civil Unions) so they can have the same benefits of marriage and it wouldn't be a big deal as it wouldn't be called marriage.
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Old June 26th, 2013 (06:50 AM).
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This is a great first step on going state by state to allow for same-sex marriages.
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Old June 26th, 2013 (07:53 AM).
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Finally, jeez. Now I guess here's hope to seeing much of the states legalize marriage for same-sex couples like dominoes over the next few years.
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It was about time, hopefully more states will be allowing gay marriage in the future, definately a step forward.
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Old June 26th, 2013 (09:05 AM).
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It's good to see that Same sex couples are taking another step toward equality.

I do find it strange that with the bans gone states without legal S.S. marriage are left in a twilight zone. One would think this ruling would automatically mean S.S.M. is legal nationwide... of course states have the final choice, strange how that works :/
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so this is news because………………

I don't get people.
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Quote originally posted by droomph:
so this is news because………………

I don't get people.
It's news because the LGBT community is a oppressed minority and these rulings today by the Supreme Court just made that oppression a little less effective. Seriously, I would have thought it would be obvious why this would be newsworthy.
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The court only struck down one aspect of it.

What was declared unconstitutional was the provision prohibiting gay and lesbian couples from enjoying the tax breaks, pension benefits, and other monetary benefits that hetero couples enjoy.

It still leaves in place the provision saying that states don't have to recognize gay marriages from other states.

It's a win and a loss really - This is a benefit to those getting married or who are married, but it's not going to help those who are in states that prohibit gay marriage or those who refuse to recognize gay marriages from other states. A minor victory at most, since the more harmful provision is still legal.
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I wouldn't exactly call this a "minor victory", X.

Sure, the fight's still going on, but getting gay marriage to be recognized on a federal level is no trivial matter. With the exception of the more hardcore conservative states, I have a feeling these decisions will likely also be the catalysts towards legalizing gay marriage in most of the other states that have yet to recognize it.
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Quote originally posted by Mr. X:
The court only struck down one aspect of it.

What was declared unconstitutional was the provision prohibiting gay and lesbian couples from enjoying the tax breaks, pension benefits, and other monetary benefits that hetero couples enjoy.

It still leaves in place the provision saying that states don't have to recognize gay marriages from other states.

It's a win and a loss really - This is a benefit to those getting married or who are married, but it's not going to help those who are in states that prohibit gay marriage or those who refuse to recognize gay marriages from other states. A minor victory at most, since the more harmful provision is still legal.
Okay that makes a lot of sense. Well as Carchar said the fight for their rights is still going on, proably will last another decade or two, hopefully less than that.
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Old June 26th, 2013 (04:04 PM). Edited June 26th, 2013 by Esper.
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wish I were home in California this weekend for Pride. It's gonna be nuts.

I know this isn't a perfect outcome. There's lots more to do, but for the moment I'm going to celebrate finally wiping away this smear on my home. :D
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Yay! The crazies are starting to report in!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/michele-bachmann-doma_n_3504640.html?utm_source=concierge&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=sailthru%2Bslider%2B

I can't wait to see what Westboro's response is going to be.
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Nobody who truly does cherish the U.S. constitution listens to Michelle Bachmann anyway.

Anybody who has even a basic understanding of the Constitution and of US politics knows that she's a moron and far too religious for her own good.

Quote originally posted by Nancy Pelosi:
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Quote originally posted by Jay_37040:
It's news because the LGBT community is a oppressed minority and these rulings today by the Supreme Court just made that oppression a little less effective. Seriously, I would have thought it would be obvious why this would be newsworthy.
I thought it would be a little more obvious that I was being sarcastic also.

My point being, I don't understand why this is a big issue. Why are we debating this when we could talk about a whole host of other things, such as poverty, crime, and better acces to support for quality of life?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/10-ways-doma-repeal-affects-marriage_n_3503775.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices&ir=Gay%20Voices

Huffpost has a wonderful piece up about how Gay Marriage will effect Traditional Marriage.
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Quote originally posted by droomph:
I thought it would be a little more obvious that I was being sarcastic also.

My point being, I don't understand why this is a big issue. Why are we debating this when we could talk about a whole host of other things, such as poverty, crime, and better acces to support for quality of life?
Why can't we do all of the above? (which is in fact happening). This particular issue just happens to be the news of the day. It doesn't mean all the other issues are being ignored. And besides which, these two rulings actually addresses all of the concerns you mentioned as well.
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Not to mention that extending marriage rights to same-sex couples DOES increase their quality of life, as it means less taxes and several free rights such as visiting their spouse when they are at a hospital or being buried together, something they couldn't do before. It's true that there are bigger issues but having a broken car and a broken window that needs repairing doesn't mean you shouldn't care about washing your hands before lunch until all those problems are solved.
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Focussing on one issue, can, and does, affect other issues as well. Everything is interconnected. There is no single aspect of society that is completely independent of the rest. Even something as simple as the timing of the traffic lights can have drastic effects on the everyday lives of the people.
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I don't know how to explain it any better.

But why is this a big deal? Logically, this should have been taken care of some time in the late 1300s, but instead it's in the 21st century and it's distracting from all the real issues.
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Quote originally posted by droomph:
I don't know how to explain it any better.

But why is this a big deal? Logically, this should have been taken care of some time in the late 1300s, but instead it's in the 21st century and it's distracting from all the real issues.
To quote a famous line in a movie: Whoever said the human race was logical?

Lots of things should have been taken care of a long time ago. But the simple truth is, they weren't. Maybe you don't see this as a "real" issue, but I can assure you, to those of us who are still not treated as equals under the law, it very much is a "real" issue. Just because something doesn't affect you doesn't mean its importance is invalidated. There are many things that don't affect me personally, but I know that they are issues that are of great concern to some people and their concerns are just as valid, just as important, as mine are.
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Quote originally posted by droomph:
I don't know how to explain it any better.

But why is this a big deal? Logically, this should have been taken care of some time in the late 1300s, but instead it's in the 21st century and it's distracting from all the real issues.
This is one of the biggest issues there currently is because it should have been taken care of long ago.
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Quote originally posted by Jay_37040:
To quote a famous line in a movie: Whoever said the human race was logical?

Lots of things should have been taken care of a long time ago. But the simple truth is, they weren't. Maybe you don't see this as a "real" issue, but I can assure you, to those of us who are still not treated as equals under the law, it very much is a "real" issue. Just because something doesn't affect you doesn't mean its importance is invalidated. There are many things that don't affect me personally, but I know that they are issues that are of great concern to some people and their concerns are just as valid, just as important, as mine are.
I'm not saying this as in "this shouldn't be taken care of". In fact, it affects me since I'm "gay" (but I can't act on the feelings because it goes against what I believe sooooooo asexual) and if I ever want to go back I want to keep that option open.

It's just that lately, the world has been disappointing me constantly, and I want to say something about it. I might have worded it a bit weirdly, but I have to say, why was this a big deal? Couldn't we have gone and given them these rights? Haven't you read the Bible? (and let's be honest, that's the only argument against) So why are we wasting time on something that should involve the entirety of say, 5 minutes to pass?

It's not that we shouldn't pay attention to it, it's just that we should pay less, because this is such an obvious answer.

I'm just disappointed in how slow this is taking. Give the people their rights already, you know? It shouldn't take a 11-hour filibuster to prevent something as obvious as "let women have their rights", and even then, a small part of it.

And it should have taken about 35 minutes, one for each state required, for the Equal Rights Amendment to be passed. But instead, they had to extend the limit for it to 10 years. And it still didn't pass.

And it should have taken about a month or so for the Congressmen to gather and declare slavery unconstitutional in 1792. Instead, the nation broke apart into a gore-fest for 5 years, and then it took 100 years for slavery to, in practice, end.

These types of things. I don't want to hear about them on the news, because they are so obvious that they should just pass the Congress unnoticed, like the many other bills that go through Congress unnoticed. Do you understand what I'm saying?
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