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Old August 6th, 2013 (02:50 AM).
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Actually No ,
A lot of Older fan believe that bring Brock & Misty back will solve all the problem but that isn't true .
The Jotho series consider to be boring even with Brock & Misty around .
So , There no point of bring them back .
The main reason why they were so appealing in Original series because Writer only focus on their Role rather then their Goal .
However , Writer start to focus on Misty & Brock's goal in Jotho and that when the Anime started to get boring .
Pokemon is an Anime series about Ash's journey to become a Pokemon Master So Misty & Brock's role was simply to accompany Ash & help him reach his goal .
The Original series was completely focus on that and that why it was more appealing then other series .
But writer decide focus on EVERYBODY GOAL and at the end the show got boring and nobody got proper development because of this .
Pokemon is show that can focus on One Goal , not multiple Goal .
Have ''One Piece'' for example !
Do you guy think "One Piece'' Mangaka develop Zoro & Sanji because they are Luffy's friend and comrade
No Nonono No No No !
The ''One Piece'' Mangaka develop those character because they need to be strong in order to help Luffy become Pirate King and Find ''One Piece'' .
''One Piece'' may have a lot of develop cast character but at the end the story only focus on ONE MAIN GOAL .
So , There no point of bring Brock & Misty back .
Instate , Pokemon Director must focus on Only One main Goal and Connect all other character in the goal .
So , Ash's new traveling companion has to be someone who goal is somehow connected to accompanying Ash.
For example ,

-A research assistant who's dream is to meet every single legendary Pokemon.

-A talent agent who searching for Potential Pokemon trainer .

-A spoiled rich girl who run away from home after her father tried to engage her to someone she doesn't like (Similar to James).
She searching for her Own Goal .

-A Shrine Maiden who has a mysterious vision about Legendary Pokemon and she's been targeted by A Evil . She refer Ash as the chosen One who will decide the faith of the world .

A new traveling companion like this will be much better then another coordinator , Type Master Or Misty & Brock .
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Quote originally posted by EternallyAnna:
And that means for us here now, he never was a constant fixture of the anime.
I beg to differ.

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I believe he's the character holding sixth place for amount of episodes he's been in- Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth all come before him in that list even disregarding BW.
That's really a stretch, don't you think?

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We did get some very interesting and fun characters out of this shift, but I do believe BW was let down by the character writing.
How does this help your argument?

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We are joined by a companion of the "wild girl" type, who has backstory featured in a few episodes and a repaired relationship with her Pokémon. This does not seem to affect her overall character.
We're not talking about Iris, though.

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That's very much established by their familial backgrounds. Brock spent years upon years being mama and daddy to a gaggle of essentially orphaned children. His passions are Pokémon breeding and doctoring- the care and raising of Pokémon. "Mama" is written into his core being.
All the more reason he should've stayed.

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Cilan is one of a set of triplets, together from the outset and probably throughout their whole lives. He did not have to raise his brothers; they grew together and learned with each other rather than from one of them.
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Cilan was introduced with no emphasis on developmental guidance- his introductory episodes prove that he is far more interested in Ash and Pikachu's connection than anything. This initial fascination goes on to become admiration, inspiration, and after a while a deeper interest in Ash himself and not just the connections between him and his Pokémon.
I don't understand how either of these do anything to add to your statement, positive or negative.

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I'm really surprised that I still have to draw people's attention to this.
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As I and many others have been saying since Cilan's debut- he is not Brock's replacement. The only real similarity between the two roles is that both cook and are the most responsible group member.
So, what you said before about Tracey *replacing* Brock… is that not relevant?
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Old August 12th, 2013 (07:58 PM).
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And I wonder how that entire post is not a personal attack on me?

1. Being replaced for a season means that Brock is not a permanent.

2. JJ&M have been in every single episode since OS002 to DP191. That is already more than Brock, as he did not join until OS005 and was out for Orange. He then did not continue to Unova, where JJ&M did. They have been in more episodes than he has. That is a fact. Not a stretch in the slightest.

3. It is an observation related to what I was saying.

4. The topic is in relation to both Brock and Misty, the main guy and girl companions. In a general statement covering the whole of the topic question, Iris is perfectly relevant.

5. In your opinion.

6. This is called character analysis, and is in relation to the topic.

7. You link that as if this post is not a direct attack on me.

8. It is of course relevant, as from the outset Tracey was written as a substitute Brock rather than his own character.

I would appreciate you continuing to discuss the actual topic at hand rather than directly attacking minor points and apparently missing the entirety of the discussion beyond the one post you feel like you were attacked with. Your behaviour right now is quite rude, as you are both attacking me personally for no real reason and ignoring all other very interesting contributions to this thread. It seems as if you have not read beyond that one post and that is very unfair to the rest of the people who have made valuable points. Even ignoring that, you seem to have come in here with the intention to nitpick my post and start an irrelevant argument. This behaviour is not condoned anywhere on PC. Please cease and desist. Thank you.

All further potential posters, let this not deter you from continuing the discussion that had previously been active.
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It's too late. They could have done this in Diamond/Pearl, perhaps even Black/White, but the moment they got rid of Brock, all hope for that was lost.

Misty no longer has her Togepi, and no longer has difficulty commanding any of her pokemon.
Brock is no longer a breeder, and has no reason to go on travels.

The only way I could see this happening is if Ash were to travel through Kanto again... no wait, we already did that during Battle Frontier, nevermind.
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Old August 25th, 2013 (05:33 AM).
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According to Serebii, Takeshi is making a cameo in Dekorora... (wonder why no one made a thread about it...).
Animators know what they are doing Because fans are still demanding old cast to come back, they can bring them for a cameo and satisfy the fans' needs.
If they brought old cast permanently, it wouldn't be so interesting.

I, for one, don't want old cast to go back... change is change
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It's too late. They could have done this in Diamond/Pearl, perhaps even Black/White, but the moment they got rid of Brock, all hope for that was lost.

Misty no longer has her Togepi, and no longer has difficulty commanding any of her pokemon.
Brock is no longer a breeder, and has no reason to go on travels.
Actually even in chronicles Misty had problems in controlling her Psyduck teaching it to swim or battle. There is also Starmie, Horsea, Azurill or Luvdisc which has ton of potential left to have them grow.
She is still unable to teach some of her pokemon to battle struggling over it having far way to go which creates promising potential to do something worthwhile with character. We could see something being done about Psyduck with Misty learning how to utilize his powers which would serve as notable indication that her skills increased connecting on closer level with pokmon(someone who wants to master them needs to understand their in and outs). Learn how to develop defense against electric or grass types with water pokemon and overcome their weakness. Aloing with learning about more effective ways of battling and learning how to be more open minded toward all kind of pokemon judging them by their inner strength and not beauty which used to be case many times in past. I think it would be interesting if she ever encountered Surskit which is half water, half bug. It could allow for some great development helping Misty to overcome her fears when having to battle against bugs growing in stronger trainer because of it, increasing chances of becoming water mastere or Lorelei apprentice(E4 are basiucally top class mono trainers) in future and fulfilling her dream.

I could see her leaving gym following other water experts footsteps at some point to improve and learn more as trainer, collecting new rare water pokemon, enter tournaments with strong competition like Whirl Cup was to prove herself to trainers and specialists worldwide ranking up as trainer and getting promoted from gym position to higher level advancing her dream.

If Brock ever returns though his new carer of pokemon doctor provides new and fresh material to take his story in several different directions so while highly unlikely if writers ever bring him back im sure thy could revamp his character enough to make him work again. Traveling to gather knowledge about taking care of pokemon and healing learning from other skilled doctors in world could be motivation which he could need to pass tests before becoming doctor(aside from studying) possibly having to show how skilled he is in various things which include battling too to better determine in how good shape his pokemon are.

Like i mentioned before when show comes to end,writers might reunite original trio for one more adventure to better recreate attempt of going back to roots,tying up loose ends. Since at that time anime wont be focused much on game promotion being moistly about wrapping things up and building things up toward grand finale leaving them chance to do things to their own according.

I believe this would be best chance to return Misty and Brock for one more journey rekindling their friendship with Ash and restore bond they shared remembering good old days and going forward in company when writers decide to have their life paths cross with each other again.
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Old August 26th, 2013 (03:26 PM).
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Hmmm I was thinking about that today. I am on a Pokemon marathon watching all the episodes from the very beggining and I can see that Ash and Misty have such a strong bond. I think from all the characters that Ash has travel with, Misty is his favorite haha But no they should not bring them back as regulars. I would like Ash to travel alone this time( but this won't happen ) I would really love if Ash introduces them to Iris and Cilan and spend some time together and have some adventures all together in Kanto, before he goes to Kalos.
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Old August 29th, 2013 (03:02 AM).
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Nope ,
Specially now that Misty has clear goal now !
Afterall , Jotho journey considered to be boring even with Misty & her development.
Its because In Kento Misty didn't had a clear goal and the Anime was focus on her supporting Ash .
Pokemon Anime need a cast girl who doesn't have a stable goal like Kento Misty Or her goal is something that will be automatically fulfill as long as She support Ash .
Basically someone writer can shove all the underdeveloped & Underevolved Marketable cute Pokemon .
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Brock IS coming back! I saw it on a a Japanese trailer!!!!
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Brock IS coming back! I saw it on a a Japanese trailer!!!!
On a special , Not in XY !
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Brock already moved on with his life same way gary did plus he does eventually have to go back to being a gym leader I heard rumors he's coming back for a cameo in XY in a special the cast was at its best with may and max but I like the whole concept of new region new friends but I wish older characters made alot more cameos not just one random episodes
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Nah they shouldn't come back. They were great characters and had great runs, but I think its best that they didn't come back.
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I used to think that they shouldn't have ever replaced Misty or Brock. I used to hate the new companions. However, now that I've been without them for so long, I've began accepting the new characters (for the most part).

I think that bringing them back is like trying to bring back the good times.

For example, when you were young, playing at the park on the swing sets was fun. A LOT OF FUN. You remember that deep inside and smile just thinking about it. You obviously want to bring that back right? Yeah! So you go to the parks and swing on the swings, play on the monkey bars...but something doesn't feel right. It's just...not as fun anymore as it used to be.

I kinda see that as Misty and Brock. They were fun but I worry that they won't be as fun if they stayed/came back. For an episode to reunite would be loads of fun, don't get me wrong. Just not as Ash's companions.
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Brock should come back because if he wants to become a great breeder being with ash was and would be a great way to perfect that. If he wants to become a doctor for pokemon being out there and in the field with them is still a great opportunity to be with ash. Whoever said that thing about One Piece utter BS, the overall goal for the straw hat pirates and the book is to find the one piece, being part of the king of pirates crew would be a great honor so they would need to have character development and alot of thought put into them and remember Luffy normally tricks them into joining because they believe they will reach their goals with luffy which will probably happen so all you said about not focusing on their goals well your wrong because in order for them to reach their goals they need to help everyone else reach theirs.

BRING BACK BROCK Obama and Misty!
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Bring back Brock then end the series with Ash walking upto Misty's house or gym with a new Bike
Greatest idea in the history of ideas
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