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Old August 29th, 2013, 12:21 AM
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I don't quite understand why so many people hate these two Pokemon mainly because they are based on garbage and ice cream... Pokemon are not animals, they are monsters they can take the form of anything... No one said anything with Grimer and Cherubi which are based on sludge and cherries respectively.

Garbage bags are found in landfills all over the world, I would think that in the US there are a lot of them.

In Unova Trubbish and Garbodor are found near Nimbas city and in route 9, both these areas could be near landfills that are not shown in game.

People also say that "Gamefreak has run out of ideas as they've made an ice cream pokemon" But Pokemon based on food isn't a new idea, Eggucute are loosely based on eggs. Ice cream is a popular food in the US so I can't see why people would dislike it. If Gamefreak had ran out of ideas than there wouldn't be a 6th gen...

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This Pokémon formed from icicles bathed in energy from the morning sun. It sleeps buried in snow.

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Theoretically, this Pokémon formed from icicles bathed in energy from the morning sun. Their breath is -58° F.
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Old August 29th, 2013, 12:42 AM
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I also don't understand the hate... In battle though, they aren't very good.

Trubbish was a creative way to represent pollution on land, we had Koffing and Grimer symbolizing pollution in air and water respectively.
The 'Gamefreak has run out of ideas' quote is a little ignorant. They've made new Pokemon, implemented new features and designed a new region in every Generation.

I don't really mind what people think though, it's their opinion.
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Old August 29th, 2013, 12:46 AM
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I also don't understand the hate... In battle though, they aren't very good.

Trubbish was a creative way to represent pollution on land, we had Koffing and Grimer symbolizing pollution in air and water respectively.
The 'Gamefreak has run out of ideas' quote is a little ignorant. They've made new Pokemon, implemented new features and designed a new region in every Generation.

I don't really mind what people think though, it's their opinion.
Oh, i forgot to add that, the line is the personification of land pollution, though I would think that the US would have a lot of Koffings and Wezzings.
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Old August 29th, 2013, 01:05 AM
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I think the Vanillite line is very cute! Trubbish is also cute. However, Garbodor is just terrible to me. Not cute, not strong, and pretty annoying.

Also, the statement that Game Freak has run out of ideas just because they made the Vanillite line was very ignorant. We also got the Sandile line, the Litwick line, and many other creative lines alongside the Vanillite line. And in the sixth generation, we got Froakie, Gogoat, Pangoro, Talonflame, and Malimar, among others.
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Old August 29th, 2013, 01:35 AM
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People will jump on any dodgy design they come up with. Some people legitimately hate them, but some people just hate new Pokemon. I don't like either one too much, but to say that they are running out of ideas because of two design choices is stupid. If anything, an ice cream Pokemon shows that they are broadening out their choices in design and becoming more creative.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 02:05 AM
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I don't hate them just because they are like a garbage and ice cream. (Who hates Ice Cream??). It's just that their design as well as their low range of attacks make me prevent them
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:15 AM
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Because their looks make us think GameFreak ran out of ideas. They aren't that bad in-game, though.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:29 AM
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I think they're not just perceived as very good Pokémon in comparison to other designs, I've got no problem with them and infact the Vanillite line is my favorite line of Generation V.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 04:54 AM
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They usually seem to be panned due to the basis of there designs being questionable. Ice cream and garbage aren't exactly the best or most threatening ideas for a Pokémon.

Personally I think Garbodor is a overdesigned heap of (wait for it) trash while Trubbish and the Vanilite line are mediocre.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:07 AM
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It's not just Gen 5 that has a strong hatred of Pokemon Designs. The hate started back in Gen 1. People STILL have a problem with Dugtrio and Magneton's design. While Gen 5's Vanillite and Trubbish lines receive a lot of hate because not only are their design classed as lazy, but uninspired. Nobody questions their strength in battle, only that they wish that more effort was put into representing a pollution Pokemon/Icicle Pokemon.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:19 AM
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They usually seem to be panned due to the basis of there designs being questionable. Ice cream and garbage aren't exactly the best or most threatening ideas for a Pokémon.

Personally I think Garbodor is a overdesigned heap of (wait for it) trash while Trubbish and the Vanilite line are mediocre.
I dunno... Vanillite's line is... cool. yay for bad puns

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It's not just Gen 5 that has a strong hatred of Pokemon Designs. The hate started back in Gen 1. People STILL have a problem with Dugtrio and Magneton's design.
"Oh hey, how are we gonna evolve this thing? I know, let's just put two of the same Pokemon with it and call it an evolution". It is pretty uninspired. Personally I don't really buy the Krabby-Kingler one either. He just turns into a bigger crab and inherits a few spikes. And don't even get me started on Muk. But I digress, that's not what this thread is about at all......

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While Gen 5's Vanillite and Trubbish lines receive a lot of hate because not only are their design classed as lazy, but uninspired. Nobody questions their strength in battle, only that they wish that more effort was put into representing a pollution Pokemon/Icicle Pokemon.
Uninspired was the word that I was gonna use here too. But only for Trubbish. I like the Vanillite thing that it just happens to look like an ice-cream, but by the time it evolves it kinda takes the cake really.....
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:29 AM
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It's not just Gen 5 that has a strong hatred of Pokemon Designs. The hate started back in Gen 1. People STILL have a problem with Dugtrio and Magneton's design. While Gen 5's Vanillite and Trubbish lines receive a lot of hate because not only are their design classed as lazy, but uninspired. Nobody questions their strength in battle, only that they wish that more effort was put into representing a pollution Pokemon/Icicle Pokemon.
I'd say exactly this. It's not that I don't enjoy using either Pokémon, they're both actually quite fun lines to train, it's just that the designs are so uninspired and make no sense. They literally just took an ice cream and gave it eyes and did the same with a garbage bag and those are supposed to be good designs? I know they've had things like Pidove or Rattata which aren't exactly inspired either, but it's logical that those Pokémon would evolve to be like that naturally - how could an ice cream or a rubbish bag based Pokémon ever come about naturally? I guess it just takes the whole imaginary element too far haha.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:43 AM
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Design means everything to me, and I'm in the same boat with all the haters. Well, maybe a safety raft that came from tne ship. I don't think basing a Pokemon off of ice cream or garbage is necessarily a bad idea at all, I just think their designs are way too literal and so I find them ugly as sin. But I'm sure there are creators out there who could turn garbage and ice cream into PokeGold. And of course it's all subjective: there's no right or wrong in opinions about designs :D
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Old August 31st, 2013, 12:17 PM
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Yeah I'd say the concepts are pretty well thought out and, for the Trubbish line at least, the execution of the design was pretty good. Overall though, why these two out of all the other Pokemon in the game? I could name a couple "lazy" Pokemon designs: these two lines don't deserve all the hate.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 08:34 AM
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I don't see why they get the hate. Look at let's say muk grimmer koffing voltorb magi mite eggxicute and those pokemon. I really don't like the hate vinillite is getting. Sure I don't like trubbish or garbador. At first I thought garbador was so kind of mouse thing until I found out it was garbage.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:40 AM
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I don't hate Trubbish, only the Vanillite line.
I never really like food/object pokemon, but if it got a design that make it look more than just an object with eyeballs its okay.
Like geodude's arms which make it look like a human, or Swirlix which remind me a dog.
But the Vanillite alaways was... an ice cream with eyeballs, which was really stupied...
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 12:41 PM
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I Can Completely Understand The Trubbish Line, It's Pretty Ugly, But It's Not Completely Useless It's OK In Wifi Battling. I Like The Vannilite Line. I Don't Understand Why People Hate It, But The Way I See It, It's Way Better Than Kanto's Own (cough, cough) Voltorb and Electrode! Need I Need To Say Why?
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 01:21 PM
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I think people complain about those lines because they're really easy to hate on. It's easy to say that they're bad because they're based on food and garbage. I personally love the Vanillite line and I probably would have given it a chance if it hadn't come so late in the game (and if my Walrein hadn't already taken the place as my ice type). I think the Trubbish line is fine. I don't hate it at all I'm just indifferent. I don't "hate" any Pokémon to be honest.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 02:21 PM
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Trubbish and Garbodor's designs, aptly enough, are a pile of trash. I'm not sold on Grimer and Muk also, by the way, before you delve into that "argument." Vanillite line... Something about their smile just pisses me off. But at the end of the day those are just my opinions.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 02:29 PM
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I think people just don't like them because they look like their literal objects with googly eyes glued on. I don't mind them, although I think they're kind of ugly and never had any interest in training either of them. People have probably just forgotten about how much they hated some of the old designs. Like Girafaraig. I always thought it looked a little weird.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 02:39 PM
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For me, pokemon are pokemon, and I have to catch them all anyways right? I dont hate any pokemon and neither of the pokemon mentioned in this thread bother me that much at all.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 05:15 AM
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i didnt think too much of trubbish. but it is a pokemon i simply cannot attach myself with, i dont hate it, i just don't like it.
garbador wants to make me throw up. i am repulsed by this thing that im glad its not really tanky in the game so i dont have to see it after i KO it. i also just dont see how a garbage bag can come to life but its the same with muk (i still like muks design better). its nothing aginst 6th gen cause theres been a few silly designs in every generation so far.
vanillite is cute admittedly. i just can't take it seriously. whats its evolve form? oh a double scoop? please use fan-art every now and then some of those designs are incredible and im sure the artists would be honored to have their designs featured in games.

i wouldnt be surprised if you saw i box of popcorn pokemon in the next gen. hopefully it doesnt get that uninspired
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Old September 6th, 2013, 06:46 AM
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Trubbish and Garbodor are kind of lame, yeah, but Vanillite, Vanillish and Vanilluxe are radical! I love all three of those, because of what they stand for.
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I dont know but Garbador kicked my teams butt a few times i never thought twice about his design though.... Vanilite i was like wtf?
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Old September 6th, 2013, 10:14 PM
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Trubbish is an... interesting case. Because Unova had added two derp Pokémon (LOVE YOU SO MUCH UNOVA) instead of one, because in Sinnoh, no derp Pokémon existed. The depicted theme is the rising environmental pollution, so obviously it seems lame or disgusting to most. But Stunfisk and Trubbish and other derp Pokémon are all loved by me =)

It's just that some Pokémon are liked and some are not liked. Like Magikarp and Zubat. Who liked them? But there are people who genuinely had interest in them. Just a popular opinion of people that spreads to others.

Vaniliite has a very "hidden-evil-in-that-smile-watch-out" type of look. Other than that, it's very cute and hard to train against and with. Vanilluxe doesn't have a very appealing appearance either, so I can understand the hate.

Something like stereotypes. That sort of influence is not removed unless depicted in another way. For example, Stoutland's in-game sprite gives the impression of a fat dog that is not very active, but seeing it in the anime rectifies that appearance.
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