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Old September 25th, 2013 (05:22 AM).
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A counter is a pokemon that can switch into another pokemon at little or no risk to itself and force the opposing pokemon out.
Just leaving this here because of what people have already said but still.

Also Wish Mence is awesome.

Anyways,

Mamoswine@Life Orb
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait: Thick Fat
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
- Icicle Crash
- SuperPower

Comes in, tanks mence with its 110/80 defense and returns the KO.
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Wash Rotom:

-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split
Nature: Modest
EVs: 232 HP/56 SAtk/220 Spe
Item: Leftovers

While Life Orb Superpower stings, Wash Rotom can easily threaten Mamoswine with a burn from Will-o-Wisp or a supereffective Hydro Pump.
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Old September 25th, 2013 (03:17 PM). Edited September 25th, 2013 by wolf.
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Vileplume @ Leftovers
Effect Spore
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Aromatherapy
- Sleep Powder
56+ SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Vileplume: 84-100 (23.72 - 28.24%) -- possible 4HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 232 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 152-182 (50.83 - 60.86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
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Wash Rotom:

-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split
Nature: Modest
EVs: 232 HP/56 SAtk/220 Spe
Item: Leftovers

While Life Orb Superpower stings, Wash Rotom can easily threaten Mamoswine with a burn from Will-o-Wisp or a supereffective Hydro Pump.
Lo SuperPower Vs Rotom: 58.9% - 69.6% and then -1 LO SuperPower: 39.5% - 46.5%. The best case scenario you take 98% Min damage over two turns and as thus you cannot switch in. You need bold and def evs to counter Mamoswine.


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Vileplume @ Leftovers
Effect Spore
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Aromatherapy
- Sleep Powder
56+ SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Vileplume: 84-100 (23.72 - 28.24%) -- possible 4HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 232 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 152-182 (50.83 - 60.86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Hypno@Leftovers
168 HP / 220 SpA / 120 Spe
Modest Nature
Trait: Insomnia
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Grass Knot
- Baton Pass

Switches in, Insomnia stops sleep powder and threatens vileplume with STAB Psychic. Hypno can also Baton Pass NP boosts sooooo, if you cant stop it passing technically you haven't countered it. Food for thought. Also Baton Pass escapes Pursuit.
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Quote originally posted by Dark Azelf:
Lo SuperPower Vs Rotom: 58.9% - 69.6% and then -1 LO SuperPower: 39.5% - 46.5%. The best case scenario you take 98% Min damage over two turns and as thus you cannot switch in. You need bold and def evs to counter Mamoswine.
True, but the listed EV spread allows Wash Rotom to outspeed Mamoswine and it can always switch into any of Mamoswine's STABs, especially an Earthquake.

Anyway:
Skuntank

-Sucker Punch
-Pursuit
-Poison Jab/Crunch
-Taunt
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/176 SDef/80 Spe
Item: Black Sludge/Dread Plate
Ability: Aftermath

Skuntank outspeeds Hypno and Taunts it before it can set up Nasty Plot + Baton Pass. Once that's done, Skuntank can hit Hypno hard with STAB Pursuit as it dry switches. It also resists Hypno's listed offensive moves.
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Torterra @ Leftovers

-Stealth Rock
-Wood Hammer
-Earthquake
-Synthesis

Nature: Adamant
Evs: 180 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Spe
Ability: Overgrow

Torterra can easily switch in against Skuntanks physical moves with its bulky defence and good typing before OHKOing it with STAB Earthquake or forcing it to switch out.
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Old September 26th, 2013 (01:46 AM).
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Salamence@Life Orb
4 Atk / 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed
Naive Nature
Trait: Intimidate
- Brick Break
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Roost

Old school Mixmence. Comes in as Torterra cant do anything to it and cushions hits with Intimidate further backing it up. It then returns the KO with Fire Blast.
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Old September 26th, 2013 (02:33 AM).
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Porygon2 @Eviolite


-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Recover

Nature: Calm
Evs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 SpD
Ability: Trace

Lowering Salamence's Atk with trace intimidate leaves Porygon2 able to survive even the super-effective Brick Break before taking advantage of it's good SpA and Salamences fairly average Defence to take it out with Ice Beam.
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Old September 26th, 2013 (02:51 AM). Edited September 26th, 2013 by Hermione Granger.
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Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 SDef
Calm Nature
- Discharge
- Ice Beam
- Toxic / HP Fire / T-Wave
- Recover

I think we can all agree that this is probably the only thing that comes closest to countering Mixmence. Draco Meteor fails to 2hko without stealth rock (don't even mention the other two attacks, they're p irrelevant in this case) while Porygon2 can retaliate with a super effective Ice Beam for the ohko.


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Conkeldurr @Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SpD
Nature: Brave / Adamant
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punc
- Payback / Ice Punch

uhh yeah this set 3hko's porygon2 with no boost while porygon2 can only 5hko and toxic is going to activate guts so yeah p standard imo
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Old September 26th, 2013 (03:37 AM).
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Musharna @Leftovers

Ability: Synchronise
Nature: Bold
Evs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SpD

- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Batton Pass
- Moonlight

Musharna is easily bulky enough to take even STAB hits from Gurdurr once you factor in its resistance to fighting moves and with only 50 base power even payback isn't much of a threat against the slower Musharna that can KO Gurdurr with a super-effective, STAB Psychic that also plays on a terrible SpD.
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Slowbro @ Life Orb
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Quiet 232 HP / 24 Def / 252 SpA
- Trick Room
- Psychic
- Fire Blast
- Surf / Ice Beam
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Murkrow @ Eviolite
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Bold 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
- Perish Song
- Substitute
- Mean Look
- Roost
Your one attack doesn't do anything.
If you Baton Pass, you Baton Pass Perish Song.
If you switch, something else gets trapped and dies.

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Archeops @Flying Gem

Ability: Defeatist
Nature: Naive
Evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

- Acrobatics
- Stone Edge
- Earth Power
- Roost

With only Perish Song to worry about it can switch in fairly easily and then out speed Murkrow to deliver a OHKO with Stone Edge.
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Old September 26th, 2013 (09:31 AM).
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Alomomola @Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Nature: Bold
- Scald / Surf
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic

Alomomola can stall Archeops all day everyday. Not to mention it can also 3hko with Scald or 2hko with Surf given 4 special attack EVs.
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Roserade @ Life Orb
Natural Cure
24 HP / 252 SAtk / 232 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden Power Fire
- Sleep Powder
Roserade has no problems with any status that Alomomola can muster up and cleanly OHKOes it.
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Heatran @Chesto Berry

Ability: Flame Body
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Grass/Hidden Power Ice
- Stealth Rock/Taunt

Heatran can switch into any of Roserade's offensive moves with ease being immune to Poison and having a 4x resistance against grass. It cannot out speed Roserade, leaving it open to take a Sleep Powder, but if it hits Heatran will be woken up by its Chesto Berry and left to OHKO Roserade with Fire Blast if it doesn't switch out.

It should be noted though that this set would normally use an Air Balloon or Leftovers, the Chesto is because I am specifically countering Roserade.
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Rotom-W @Leftovers or Choice Scarf/Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 232 HP / 56 SpA / 220 Spe or 248 HP / 28 SpA / 232 SpD or 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Modest or Timid
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-o-Wisp / T-Wave / HP Ice
- Pain Split / HP Ice

Majestic Rotom-W. Can't quite decide which set to use so I just put it all in. lol
Pretty self explanatory; hpump 2hkos in most cases.
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Blissey w/ Leftovers
Natural Cure
4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Calm nature
~ Aromatherapy
~ Softboiled
~ Seismic Toss
~ Toxic

As soon as Rotom runs into the field and attempts to hit one of its moves, Blissey would immediately be switched in. Due to its massive HP and defenses, Blissey would always be able to endure any attacks that Rotom throws at it. Aromatherapy would be enable it to cure all Pokémon that Rotom has paralyzed, and Softboiled would allow it to recover itself whenever it's in low health.
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Espeon @Light Clay

Ability: Magic Bounce
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Psyshock
- Baton Pass

Espeon has nothing to worry about from any damage Blissey might try to inflict, even from toxic due to Magic Bounce. It can then take advantage of Blissey's terrible Def and take it out with STAB Psyshock.
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Tyranitar @Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 180 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Spe
Nature: Adamant
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Superpower

If Espeon is stupid enough to stay do something crazy like set up Reflect, it will have a very bad time. Stealth rock support guarantees an ohko with crunch if Reflect is up, otherwise it has around a 90% chance of ohko...which isn't bad unless you are really, really unlucky :p
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Quote originally posted by gimmepie:
Archeops @Flying Gem

Ability: Defeatist
Nature: Naive
Evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

- Acrobatics
- Stone Edge
- Earth Power
- Roost

With only Perish Song to worry about it can switch in fairly easily and then out speed Murkrow to deliver a OHKO with Stone Edge.
Prankster gives Substitute priority, so it is not as if you are going to be beating it with that, as Murkrow would just sub until you were forced out yourself. :/ Try something like Icicle Spear Cloyster or Rock Blast Rhyperior / something with Soundproof instead :x


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Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Sand Stream (or Sand Force if you want a boost to your attacks vs TTar)
Impish 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang

252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 142-168 (33.8 - 40%) -- 32.15% chance to 3HKO
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Hippo EQ vs 180 HP TTar: (56.47 - 67.35%).

In other words, hippo switches in, tanks a hit, slacks off because it is pretty hard to be a hippo in sand, before it proceeds to show Tar how to decorate gardens. Reliable recovery vs nothing, Hippo's got this one.
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Politoed:

-Scald
-Protect/Ice Beam/Refresh
-Perish Song/Encore
-Toxic/Hypnosis
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle

Politoed can switch into Hippowdon, change the weather to rain with Drizzle and do whatever it pleases with Hippowdon, including but not limited to: hitting it with a supereffective Scald (potentially burning it in the process), crippling it or the next switch-in with Toxic or Hypnosis (accuracy is shaky on the latter, though) and Encoring Hippowdon into a support move if it somehow stays in.
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Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Modest
EV's: 252 SpA, 252 Spd, 4 hp
Giga Drain
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Rain Dance

Ludicolo can switch into Politoed's Scald or Ice Beam, and thanks to Swift Swim and Life Orb, outspeed, and KO Politoed with Giga Drain. Even if Scald results in a burn, it won't matter thanks to Ludicolo's special attacks, effectively ending Politoed's rein of terror.
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Latios w/ Choice Scarf
252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid nature
~ Draco Meteor
~ Psyshock
~ Surf
~ Trick

Ludicolo is quite fast under rain due to its Swift Swim ability, but Latios is pretty fast as well. By maximizing its Speed EVs and making it hold a Choice Scarf, Latios will be able to outspeed Ludicolo and land the first move. With Draco Meteor, this Pokémon should be able to knock out an opposing Ludicolo with just one single hit. Draco Meteor does not always have hundred-percent accuracy though, so if you don't want to take the risk, then you may go with Psyshock instead.
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Since you are now locked into one move:

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 SDef
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed

Ferrothorn resists every move in your arsenal and can strike back with a powerful gyro ball. Or, Ferrothorn can use leech seed and heal back any damage it does sustain. Either way, Latias is getting KO'd, or it's getting switched out.

Not to be rude, but remember that the pokemon has to have the ability to switch into the other pokemon's attack. Any attack the pokemon has equipped.
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Chandelure:

-Fire Blast/Overheat
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power (Fighting)
-Trick/Energy Ball
Nature: Modest
EVs: 120 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef/128 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire

While Chandelure doesn't appreciate having Stealth Rock on the field, it can switch in to any of Ferrothorn's offensive moves and scare it out with Fire Blast/Overheat or cripple it with Trick.
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