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Old December 16th, 2013 (05:02 PM). Edited December 16th, 2013 by Shizzable.
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Dragalge @ Choice Specs
Ability: Poison Point
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
-Scald
-Sludge Bomb
-Thunderbolt
-Dragon Pulse

Azumarill is really hard to counter, but it can only 2HKO Dragalge (which can 1HKO if it has Specs)




Arcanine @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef / 176 Spe
-Flare Blitz
-Extreme Speed
-Wild Charge
-Close Combat

Arcanine can easily outspeed and burn Amoonguss to a crisp.
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Old December 16th, 2013 (10:26 PM).
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Swampert w/ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Relaxed
240 HP / 16 Atk / 252 Def
~ Stealth Rock
~ Waterfall
~ Earthquake
~ Toxic

Should be able to endure a few hits from Arcanine due to its defenses, then vanish it with Waterfall and Earthquake.
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Old December 16th, 2013 (11:34 PM).
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Shaymin @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Seed Flare
- Psychic
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Old December 16th, 2013 (11:54 PM).
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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 SDef
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed

Resists all of your attacks, is immune to leech seed, and can strike back hard with Gyro Ball.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (01:07 AM).
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Infernape (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Iron Fist
EVs: 180 Atk / 76 SAtk / 252 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Overheat
- Close Combat
- ThunderPunch
- Hidden Power [Ice]
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Old December 17th, 2013 (01:47 AM).
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Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp

A physically defensive Rotom-W can resist Infernape's special moves while also tanking the physical hits. Not to mention Infernape doesn't stand much of a chance against that Hydro Pump
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Old December 17th, 2013 (02:29 AM).
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Celebi w/ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Calm
252 HP / 236 SpD / 20 Spe
~ Giga Drain
~ Recover
~ U-turn
~ Perish Song

Could endure dozens of Volt Switches and Hydro Pumps, and wouldn't really matter if it ever gets burned with Will-O-Wisp as it's mainly a special-attacker (plus, it's got Natural Cure). d: With only a few Giga Drain attacks, it could defeat Rotom in an instant.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (02:32 AM).
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Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
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Old December 17th, 2013 (06:10 AM).
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-Moltres w/Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Ability: Pressure (not sure if you can actually get a Flame Body Moltres)
EVs: 248 HP, 32 Defense, 228 Speed
Moves: Roost, Substitute, Toxic, Flamethrower

Moltres lols at 3 of Scizor's attacks, and can take a Pursuit. It can then set up a Sub, heal, then turn Scizor into charred bug bits. Or just immediately torch Scizor.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (06:44 AM). Edited December 17th, 2013 by WinterKirby.
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Moltres is completely unable to hit Flash Fire Chandelure, won't live long enough to Toxic stall, and is 2HKO'd by Shadow Ball and Flash Fire-boosted Fire Blast.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 276-324 (72 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 267-315 (69.7 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


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Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Trick
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Old December 17th, 2013 (07:01 AM).
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EL DIABLO @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse
-Flamethrower
-Hidden Power Grass

Absorbs any fire attacks with Flash Fire before he mega evolves, then he outspeeds and basically gets an OHKO 252 SpA Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Chandelure: 302-356 (93.2 - 109.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO, even if he doesn't then Chandelure isn't tricking or hurting it.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (07:16 AM).
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-Goodra w/Assault Vest
Nature: Modest
Ability: Gooey
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 Defense
Moves: Dragon Pulse, Flamthrower, Thunderbolt, Sludge Wave

+2 252 SpA Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 130-154 (33.8 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Houndoom: 148-175 (50.8 - 60.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Even at +2, Mega Houndoom can only 3HKO Goodra at best, while 2 Dragon Pulses from our slimy dragon friend can put the hell hound down.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (07:20 AM). Edited December 17th, 2013 by WinterKirby.
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Flygon has no problem coming in, and can safely take a Dark Pulse, as well as resisting Megadoom's other moves. Scarf Flygon then gets to outspeed with Earthquake for an OHKO.

252 Atk Flygon Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Houndoom: 300-354 (102.7 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO


Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
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- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
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Florges's massive 154 Base SpDef lets her absorb anything Goodra can do, with Sludge Wave being a 3HKO at best. With CM boosts under her belt, she can smack Goodra around like it's nothing.

252+ SpA Goodra Sludge Wave vs. 200 HP / 56 SpD Florges: 136-160 (39.1 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Goodra Sludge Wave vs. +1 200 HP / 56 SpD Florges: 90-108 (25.9 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 190-226 (49.4 - 58.8%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 283-335 (73.6 - 87.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Florges (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 56 SDef / 200 HP / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature
- Moonblast
- Energy Ball
- Psychic
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Old December 17th, 2013 (08:16 AM).
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Metagross @Choice Band
EVs: 164 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spe
Nature: Adamant
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Hammer Arm
- Thunder Punch

Metagross can switch in on any of Florges' moves, as long as it doesn't have 6 CM boosts, and threaten to OHKO with Meteor Mash or go with Bullet Punch for an overall safer KO.

252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 84-99 (24.5 - 28.9%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO
+1 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 126-148 (36.8 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 168-198 (49.1 - 57.8%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO
+3 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 209-246 (61.1 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Florges: 680-804 (195.9 - 231.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Florges: 306-360 (88.1 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
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Old December 17th, 2013 (12:47 PM).
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Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 SAtk
Nature: Bold
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast

Even though Metagross' Thunder Punch can 2HKO, Slowbro can cripple it with Thunder Wave, hope for a burn with Scald, or hit it with a Fire Blast. If that doesn't work, it can come out and right back in for round 2 thanks to its wonderful ability, Regenerator.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (01:06 PM).
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Not sure if Slowbro really is a counter to CB Metagross, but whatever...


-Vaporeon w/Lum Berry
Nature: Bold
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Scald, Toxic, Protect, Wish

My lovely Vaporeon. Its immune to Scald, and Fire Blast does a laughable amount of damage to it. Thunder Wave is pointless, and since Slowbro doesn't have its own Toxic, Vaporeon wins the stall war.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (01:10 PM).
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Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
Impish Nature
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Slack Off
-Stealth Rock

Can take a Flare Blitz/Close Combat or two, then OHKOs back with Earthquake.
CB Iron Fist CC 2HKo's, its not a counter.

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Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 SAtk
Nature: Bold
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast

Even though Metagross' Thunder Punch can 2HKO, Slowbro can cripple it with Thunder Wave, hope for a burn with Scald, or hit it with a Fire Blast. If that doesn't work, it can come out and right back in for round 2 thanks to its wonderful ability, Regenerator.
The bolded makes it moot as a counter. :/

Quote originally posted by No Chance Without Zekrom:
Not sure if Slowbro really is a counter to CB Metagross, but whatever...


-Vaporeon w/Lum Berry
Nature: Bold
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Scald, Toxic, Protect, Wish

My lovely Vaporeon. Its immune to Scald, and Fire Blast does a laughable amount of damage to it. Thunder Wave is pointless, and since Slowbro doesn't have its own Toxic, Vaporeon wins the stall war.

Shaymin@Life Orb
252 S.Atk / 252 Speed/6 HP
Modest Nature
Trait: Natural Cure
- Seed Flare
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Rest

Can switch into anything and ruin Vaporeon with STAB Seed Flare. Can also Rest off burns and Toxics.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (01:22 PM).
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Dragonite @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
Either resists or is immune to all of Shaymin's attacks while striking back with a SE Fire Punch. Not much you can do there.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (01:32 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark Azelf:
CB Iron Fist CC 2HKo's, its not a counter.
Close Combat does not benefit from Iron Fist, despite what the animation would imply.

Anyway:

Porygon2:

-Ice Beam
-Discharge
-Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef
Item: Eviolite
Ability: Trace

Porygon2 traces Dragonite's Multiscale, letting it shrug off an attack, then hits it hard with Ice Beam or cripples it with a status.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (02:13 PM).
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Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Modest
EVs: 172 HP / 252 SAtk / 84 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power Ice
- Volt Switch

Porygon2 can barely scratch Magnezone, as it resists dem attacks. Alos, it's immune to Toxic.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (03:26 PM).
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Rotom-H w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP, 8 Defense, 252 Sp.Defense
Moves: Overheat, Thunderbolt, Will-o-Wisp, Pain Split

The Easy-Bake Oven on crack hardly notices Magnezone's attacks since it resists them and has good special bulk, and can turn it to slag via Overheat, followed by a Thunderbolt to finish it.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (04:15 PM).
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Haxorus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Poison Jab

Haxorus resists all of Rotom-H's attacks and can strike back with a SE Earthquake. The lum berry is there so Haxorus isn't burned.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (04:29 PM). Edited December 17th, 2013 by Zekrom.
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Quote originally posted by Slayr231:
Haxorus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Poison Jab

Haxorus resists all of Rotom-H's attacks and can strike back with a SE Earthquake. The lum berry is there so Haxorus isn't burned.
Easy-Bake Oven has Levitate, so Earthquake doesn't work. However:

Quote:
252+ Atk Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Rotom-H: 148-175 (48.8 - 57.7%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Rotom-H Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Haxorus: 97-115 (33.1 - 39.2%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
So Haxorus still wins. Just not via EQ.


Ignore this post.

...Totally getting a Rotom-H now and naming it Easy-Bake Oven.
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Old December 17th, 2013 (04:46 PM).
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^Haxorus gets Mold Breaker, so earthquake will hit the easy bake oven.
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Haxorus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Poison Jab

Haxorus resists all of Rotom-H's attacks and can strike back with a SE Earthquake. The lum berry is there so Haxorus isn't burned.
Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
- Ice Beam

Physically defensive Suicune counters Haxorus very well. It can take EQ and Dragon Claws nicely, even after a DD.

252+ Atk Haxorus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 86-102 (21.2 - 25.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 103-123 (25.4 - 30.4%) -- 0.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 252+ Atk Haxorus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 129-152 (31.9 - 37.6%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 154-183 (38.1 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Then Suicune can 2HKO Haxorus with Ice Beam, even with no investment in SpA.

0 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Haxorus: 158-188 (53.9 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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