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Old Posted January 26th, 2014 (04:55 AM).
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Anonymous mod evaluation needs to happen, my thread was deleted, my need a way to let admin know how the mods preform. Some mods don't deserve the title and some should be super plain and simple, mods have to much power.
Would you care to share some specific examples of moderators abusing their power? That way, we can all gain a better understanding of what you're referring to.

If you'd like to send feedback to an administrator then simply send them a PM or you can contact Rukario by sending him an email via the "Contact Us" button at the bottom of the forum. I'd also personally be up for anonymous feedback, but I think it would be very much beneficial if moderators got to read the feedback submitted. That way, we can take on board serious feedback and make improvements where needed.

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Old Posted January 26th, 2014 (04:57 AM).
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My view on mini-modding is that it's at best redundant (the staff member is going to deal with the post anyway, so there's no need to post about it yourself) and at worst plain bad (you could be giving misleading or incorrect information, or implying that the staff member will do something different to what they'll actually decide to do, or wording your comments in a malicious/intimidating way). Mini-modding is never on-topic, so is always spam and is treated as such.

It's not the members' duty to enforce the rules - staff do that. All members need to do is report any problem posts/threads and move on.
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Old Posted January 26th, 2014 (04:57 AM).
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I wasn't requesting if you read my post I didn't even hint at a request I simply gave feedback and said there should be a mod there and threw my name in the hat.


Curious Nathan or you a mod or a spam bot cuz you just gave the same exact info bill gave. Also I don't think one has to have an extraordinary imagination to get a jist of what abuse of mod power is.
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Old Posted January 26th, 2014 (05:10 AM).
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Also I don't think one has to have an extraordinary imagination to get a jist of what abuse of mod power is.
Maybe not, but I don't think you've provided any examples you've spotted, despite repeated requests for you to mention them. Until you do, you're just making empty statements.
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Old Posted January 26th, 2014 (05:12 AM).
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Curious Nathan or you a mod or a spam bot cuz you just gave the same exact info bill gave. Also I don't think one has to have an extraordinary imagination to get a jist of what abuse of mod power is.
He's a mod, I guess I just beat him by a few minutes. It's easy to be beaten by a reply when multiple members view the thread at once (like right now).

Again, you'd need to be specific in your mentions of abuse of mod power Easy to imagine - yes, but we won't respond to any claims without any specific examples pointed out. As Maruno said, basically.
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I wasn't requesting if you read my post I didn't even hint at a request I simply gave feedback and said there should be a mod there and threw my name in the hat.
Usually, when people say there should be a mod, and mention they would be willing, and VM themselves about it as well, it sounds like a very unsubtle hint that's seen as practically a request. That doesn't get consideration either, just so you know. When we think a section needs a mod, we look at all people who post there and see if any seem like a good candidate, and go from there, rather than find a person and then fit a section to them.
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Old Posted January 26th, 2014 (05:14 AM). Edited February 1st, 2014 by curiousnathan.
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Curious Nathan or you a mod or a spam bot cuz you just gave the same exact info bill gave. Also I don't think one has to have an extraordinary imagination to get a jist of what abuse of mod power is.
No, bobandbill just happened to post while I was still typing a reply. Also, I was just suggesting that you provide a little evidence so the issue can be addressed appropriately.
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Ok I'm upset about my infraction that involved no cussing, just asking someone if they were trolling, so I will report every any evidence of cussing and I expect all them to be infracted right? That's fair? I asked if someone was spewing diearhia am cause I thought they were trolling n I get infracted but mods can cuss in threads BS.


Example number 1 Dakotas creepy crush thread zach I believe used profanity. Wheres his infraction? I'll post more when I find them. Warning to ask mods edit your incriminating posts.
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I'm sorry, what? The infraction is called "Censor bypass", not "use of profanity" for a reason. I didn't bypass the censor at all, so you need to look around before you go around accusing me of rule-breaking.
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Ok I'm upset about my infraction that involved no cussing, just asking someone if they were trolling, so I will report every any evidence of cussing and I expect all them to be infracted right? That's fair? I asked if someone was spewing diearhia am cause I thought they were trolling n I get infracted but mods can cuss in threads BS.


Example number 1 Dakotas creepy crush thread zach I believe used profanity. Wheres his infraction? I'll post more when I find them. Warning to ask mods edit your incriminating posts.
You threw your name in the hat to become a mod and yet you are acting incredibly immature, you clearly don't seem to get along with the current moderators, and chemistry is essential in having a good staff team and you clearly are not up to date with the rules by any means.

Yeah, that probably won't work.
Also, since whatever happened to get you heated, I have not seen one post out of you where you weren't complaining. Clearly, the moderators are handling your situation in a civilized manner, so just drop whatever case you're trying to prove and carry on with your life. Getting really mad at a mod can really only result in worse.
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Old Posted January 26th, 2014 (05:44 AM). Edited January 26th, 2014 by bobandbill.
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Ok I'm upset about my infraction that involved no cussing, just asking someone if they were trolling, so I will report every any evidence of cussing and I expect all them to be infracted right? That's fair? I asked if someone was spewing diearhia am cause I thought they were trolling n I get infracted but mods can cuss in threads BS.


Example number 1 Dakotas creepy crush thread zach I believe used profanity. Wheres his infraction? I'll post more when I find them. Warning to ask mods edit your incriminating posts.
To clarify/add to what Zach said... yeah, check what the rules thread says (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?p=6446812):
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In short - saying words on the censor list is completely fine. As long as you're not insulting someone by saying them, and not evading that censor which replaces it with *'s.

In your infraction, as I've explained in PM, although it didn't contain swear words it was directed at someone and wasn't polite, hence the infraction. In the case of someone saying 'Honestly, if there's a gal who doesn't have a crush on Dipu, then that's some ****ed up stuff. ', the censor was not bypassed and it wasn't said to be rude to anyone, so it's completely fine.

If there is something I missed in that thread, please point it out by hitting the report button for the post and explain it in the report. But I've just gone through each post in that particular thread and nothing breaks rules there, save your previous off-topic post asking why people aren't infracted.

On that note, infractions are private. Only yourself and staff members can see your infraction history, and no member can see anyone else's infraction history. Don't assume that other posts aren't dealt with - just report if you think otherwise, after being sure of the rules.
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So I just got an infraction. And I don't regret doing what I did. But that isn't what I'm here to say.

bobandbill did a good job communicating with me and clearing things up after handing it out to me for understandable reasons. I think he deserves praise for handling the case the way he did. So yes. Thank you for being awesome and listening to me ramble on like an idiot, lol. You're great.
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I'm sorry if this is really vague, but I just want to say I adore the staff here.

I'd always heard Pokecommunity was fairly large, so I expected the staff to be quite generic, robotic, and cold with their actions/decisions.

Holy flying macaroni cakes was I wrong. You guys are amazing and I don't even know you. In the few days I've been posting here I've just been blown away with how organized, clean, happy, warm, and cozy everything's been under your watch. I absolutely love this place and you guys are a huge part of that. Thank you for being so wonderful. Again I know this is vague but I seriously wanted to say something, I'm a moderator on another pokemon site and I know how thankless the job can be. I wanted you guys to know you are all appreciated. ;__; Thank you so much for being awesome and caring about your members so greatly, and doing your best to make the place so lovely without turning into robots. I hope to get to know you guys better as I continue to spend more time here.

I feel embarrassed pouring out all this praise but again. I just had to say something...
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I wasn't complaining all I have been doing is trying to leave feedback, explain myself, and try to understand the super sensitive nature around here. I don't think chemistry on a mod staff is crucial I don't have problems with mods except for maybe three of four of you, I get along with others. Also the mods I dislike it's just that I don't like them I don't hate them or wish bad things on them. Ppl work with ppl they don't like everywhere in the world so your statement doesn't hold water. I guess this is another example of the mods here banding together to u just persecute members. It's cool tho. I'm looking for a rational mod or admin I could actually talk to without having to get my points across here or in other threads. But said mod is difficult to find around here. Also the admin staff has ignored me during the course of my ban with the exception of steve who told me I'd hear something multiple times to no avail.




also is you believe kissing ass and giving praise is good for chemistry and helps getting on the staff that's wrong. That only perpetuates the mods vs members environment around here. Mods should be chosen based on dedication and their ideas, and I know it might sound crazy but how about their intelligence and rational.
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I guess this is another example of the mods here banding together to u just persecute members.
Having looked, all I've seen are three clear-cut offences leading to a ban. We do discuss any members who cause any undue issues, and I've seen nothing particularly unreasonable that would suggest our moderators were banding up just to persecute you.

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also is you believe kissing ass and giving praise is good for chemistry and helps getting on the staff that's wrong. That only perpetuates the mods vs members environment around here. Mods should be chosen based on dedication and their ideas, and I know it might sound crazy but how about their intelligence and rational.
Moderators naturally start out as members. The forum's higher staff select moderators based off their contributions, personality, activity, and how we think they could contribute to the forum. Contrary to what you suggest, we don't select moderators based on a wonderful amount of asskissing; nor do we select members who act like they know best and treat anyone else as a lower. Just putting that out there.
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Going to address a few points here.


Having looked, all I've seen are three clear-cut offences leading to a ban. We do discuss any members who cause any undue issues, and I've seen nothing particularly unreasonable that would suggest our moderators were banding up just to persecute you.


Moderators naturally start out as members. The forum's higher staff select moderators based off their contributions, personality, activity, and how we think they could contribute to the forum. Contrary to what you suggest, we don't select moderators based on a wonderful amount of asskissing; nor do we select members who act like they know best and treat anyone else as a lower. Just putting that out there.


Calling my "offenses clear cut" and to see them labeled as severe misconduct is misconstrued to say the least. I never used vulgar language. I asked a question of a suspected troll. Asked another member how bad he wanted to be a moderator. And lat and possibly least I have my opinion on Dakota and never did I utter vulgarity and speak derogatorily towards him, simply listed what I didn't like about him in no detail or demeaning approach.
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Calling my "offenses clear cut" and to see them labeled as severe misconduct is misconstrued to say the least. I never used vulgar language. I asked a question of a suspected troll. Asked another member how bad he wanted to be a moderator. And lat and possibly least I have my opinion on Dakota and never did I utter vulgarity and speak derogatorily towards him, simply listed what I didn't like about him in no detail or demeaning approach.
I understand that you have your interpretation of the rules, but so do we. It doesn't necessarily take "vulgar language" to constitute a "Disrespect" infraction. Your responses to other staff, besides the posts you were infracted for, were divisive and your post about that other member was construed as another attack. Some of the subsequent posts you made after the accused disrespectful posts were especially unhelpful for your case.

Also know that infractions don't correspond necessarily to just one post, but could be given as a warning for up to several consecutive days of posts.

I do apologise for the lack of feedback sent back during your ban period. To your past infractions, I cannot say anything more other than my views on the matter. If you're keen on remaining an active, contributive member, I must ask that you act responsibly from here on in.
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Well thanks for that explanation and for apologizing about the lack of replies during my ban. I just feel the rules I broke are pretty vague and aren't clear cut in nature. So for no one to see what happened to me and not think I was a little wronged is just mind boggling. And these conversations and actions of mine you speak of... What did I do wrong I asked questions gave my opinion on my page idk how that should play negatively towards my infractions, when in reality the infractions were the cause for all that.
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No problem.

The rules are meant to be open to interpretation. If it seems that it's not justified, then you'll need to refer the matter to person who infracted you, or send a message to another higher staff member (another super moderator or administrator) to get it sorted, where we'll have to look over the matter and question those involved. Then, we will either confirm the infraction or revoke it.

I looked through your earlier posts, some in this very thread, and some of them were… out of line. If the posts we've taken offense to are a result of you receiving infractions, then the very problem is that you've responded rudely and that would also leave you open to further infractions. While you're allowed to have opinions on the staff and I'd love for you to voice them, doing so rudely in the middle of threads after staff interventions is not going to end well.
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I'd like examples of my non infraction actions that were a detriment to my case. I was never warned of my actions and no one said I was doing anything wrong and I can't seem to remember for the life of me what I did that would hurt me.
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I'd like examples of my non infraction actions that were a detriment to my case. I was never warned of my actions and no one said I was doing anything wrong and I can't seem to remember for the life of me what I did that would hurt me.
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We have given you many responses as to why you were infracted and what you were infracted for. If you wish to resolve an infraction, take it to the person that issued the infraction. And if they don't resolve the problem, then take it to someone of higher staff (whether it'd be a super moderator or an administrator). Issuance of an infraction to a member is at the discretion of the staff member taking action. It isn't the entire memberbase's business to why you were issued an infraction, but rather only yours and the staff member that issued an infraction.

Just go back through and read your posts and compare them to the rules. If you reread them thoroughly alongside the rules, then I'm sure you'll be able to see clearly what you did wrong.
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I would like to see your reasoning behind why you think the way we have treated you has flaws. Your lack of reasoning just tells me that you're saying that to make us look bad.

You broke rules, simple. You wouldn't be in this situation if you didn't mouth off the staff member that issued you the infractions in public, even though you did so indirectly. You're treating the situation like you're the only one who matters, when clearly you don't. We don't simply target users the way you think we do, and you're just making the situation look worse on your behalf.

I'm sorry if I come off as blunt and rude, but I'm just giving you an honest answer and opinion.
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Where is this even at? I would love to know, honestly.
See cc's page buddy he even explained it was a joke in vm's but still poor taste in humor I think. Don't really see how thats acceptable but my behavior is so severe I'm not making jokes about felonies.
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See cc's page buddy he even explained it was a joke in vm's but still poor taste in humor I think. Don't really see how thats acceptable but my behavior is so severe I'm not making jokes about felonies.
Reading through it, it's not really that bad. I can understand incest making you uncomfortable, but his joke isn't there to demean people or promote incest. I know CC pretty well, and I know that he doesn't actually condone that kind of thing. I think you're reading too much into it honestly. Just relax a bit. :)

He's not really related to any of those people, by the way...just in case he didn't explain that. lol
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