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Old October 16th, 2013 (04:52 AM).
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Many people in America today are still convinced that wolves are vicious, and deserve to be shot, trapped, and poisoned.

In reality, they are shy, elusive animals who prefer little to no contact with humans, and attacks from healthy, wild wolf packs are almost non existant. They live in complex social groups and raise their young better than most animals.

Wolves are also very important to the ecosystem in North America. However, aerial wolf hunts and wolf hunting and trapping seasons are being organized and carried out, often killing thousands of wolves.

If anyone has any questions about wolves, i will anzwer them as best as I can.
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The red wolves are critically endangered, and then, the only ones that are being protected right now are not pures due to them mixing with other breeds in order to simply survive. Now, scientists want to claim that the red wolves should not be protected, due to being hybrids, and let hunters kill them all they want - which they do, seeing as someone had the bright idea to put the reserve in North Carolina, even though it's against the law.
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This reminds me of the whole shark attack conversations. Sharks rarely attack humans but people make such a big deal about the rare attacks that do occur along with the "beastly" shark movies such as Jaws, that it tricks people into thinking sharks are dangerous.

I think the stereotypes need to settle down a little bit since usually the people that spread them usually don't actually know what an animal is like.
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Old October 16th, 2013 (03:36 PM).
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I already knew that wolves had a ridiculous cultural reputation compared to their relative harmlessness, but I honestly hadn't heard that wolf hunting was actually a thing in North America (is that including Canada?). That's really stupid and upsetting.

God, culturally enforced misconceptions are infuriating.
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Old October 16th, 2013 (04:09 PM).
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Humans have always been ignorant in terms of animals because we have always thought of ourselves as superior to them. As technology and science reveals that we too are animals, we are beginning to understand the true nature of these "dangerous" animals and have a better time sympathizing and treating them properly.
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Old October 16th, 2013 (04:39 PM).
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Humans have always been ignorant in terms of animals because we have always thought of ourselves as superior to them. As technology and science reveals that we too are animals, we are beginning to understand the true nature of these "dangerous" animals and have a better time sympathizing and treating them properly.
...we are superior

we are superior to all animals

fact is they live because we don't kill them -3-

and the fact that if we are careless enough they will become extinct shows how superior we are.

Now, Sharks won't attack us (cause we usually are far away from their natural habitat)usually UNLESS they smell blood, and when they do, they come speeding.

they are vicious about their food. Same with many predators.

Wolves are super dangerous too. its understandable why anyone would be afraid of them in the sense. i mean would u guys FEEL safe at night, in the woods, with wolves around?

seriously, i'm waiting for that dude the wouldn't care less if there were Lions behind him in the safari, Snakes in the jungle under his feet, Two Wolf packs nesting around his camping site (cause they hate each other) stumbled upon a bear's cave, ect, ect...

I mean, its not to say that they are completely dangerous of anything, but anyone that says "fearing them is an ignorant thing to do" usually is talking out of their arse cause they haven't seen a real wild wolf.

Even gorillas and monkeys in the wild can be feared.
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Old October 16th, 2013 (05:14 PM).
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Wolves can be dangerous, like any wild predator, but it doesn't make them something you should fear, just avoid.

And although humans are dominant on the planet that's only one aspect you can compare us to wolves. It's a moral grey area to say that we're superior since, for instance, wolves are better hunters than most humans. Plus, when you get down to it, wolves may go extinct because of our actions, but we could make ourselves go extinct as well if we're not careful.
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Old October 16th, 2013 (05:28 PM).
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Wolves can be dangerous, like any wild predator, but it doesn't make them something you should fear, just avoid.

u avoid them cause u fear what they can do to u.

And although humans are dominant on the planet that's only one aspect you can compare us to wolves. It's a moral grey area to say that we're superior since, for instance, wolves are better hunters than most humans. Plus, when you get down to it, wolves may go extinct because of our actions, but we could make ourselves go extinct as well if we're not careful.
We are superior because wolves are born to be hunters. yet we can still surpass them. and if they literally tried to hunt us in our environment well... yea. We own everything and decide where we are allowed to be or not and what we are allowed to kill or not. It is true that because of our actions, we may go extinct but we would probably take many if not all other species with us. Its like how Germany is dominated by it's people and government. Because They actually owned the land, it would mean war if another Force tried to take it away.
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I think wolves should get some semblance of respect, as a predator and as an animal. These things are feral. Sure they may seem shy, but if you're the only meat around for a mile or so you better pray you can climb trees. Some are more dangerous than others (like bears) and it all depends on the situation at hand (bear cubs, wolf den, bee nest, etc.) It's not fair to say something that can kill you isn't dangerous. We're dangerous, sure, but we tend not to kill the UPS man that enters our territory, koffi~
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Wait, what, WE are born to be hunters, and gatherers, yet what percent of the population do you see nowadays that gathers...a small amount...and even less that actually HUNT for FOOD rather than SPORT.

Nowadays, we have a Scholar society which clashes with the developing idiocracy in the world. Some people leave that Scholarly part and become part of a Pleasure society, Sports society, or a Religious society. Whatever works.

Wolves are the same way. They CAN hunt but there ARE wolves that eat plants. Like us, they are omnivorous - even though they are defined as carnivores, they don't HAVE to eat ONLY fauna. By your way of thinking, it is the BODY of something that defines it. This is not the case. We think. Wolves think. We join cliques or go alone, so do wolves. We make and break relationships but desire perfect unions most of all - SO DO WOLVES.

Wolves walk on four legs. We walk on two and use our hands in other ways. But we both run, we both hide, and we both fight. We both live and die. We both think and feel. We're both protective of our loved ones and home. We both see, feel, hear, smell, and taste. We are both animals and we are both mammals. We both can exist in both the day and night. We can both sing and we can both dance.

Wolves and humans may not be one in the same, but we are damn well close enough together for one of us to NOT be greater than the other.
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Old October 16th, 2013 (09:37 PM). Edited October 16th, 2013 by AzuGazer.
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Quote originally posted by Rezilia:
Wait, what, WE are born to be hunters, and gatherers, yet what percent of the population do you see nowadays that gathers...a small amount...and even less that actually HUNT for FOOD rather than SPORT.

Nowadays, we have a Scholar society which clashes with the developing idiocracy in the world. Some people leave that Scholarly part and become part of a Pleasure society, Sports society, or a Religious society. Whatever works.

Wolves are the same way. They CAN hunt but there ARE wolves that eat plants. Like us, they are omnivorous - even though they are defined as carnivores, they don't HAVE to eat ONLY fauna. By your way of thinking, it is the BODY of something that defines it. This is not the case. We think. Wolves think. We join cliques or go alone, so do wolves. We make and break relationships but desire perfect unions most of all - SO DO WOLVES.

Wolves walk on four legs. We walk on two and use our hands in other ways. But we both run, we both hide, and we both fight. We both live and die. We both think and feel. We're both protective of our loved ones and home. We both see, feel, hear, smell, and taste. We are both animals and we are both mammals. We both can exist in both the day and night. We can both sing and we can both dance.

Wolves and humans may not be one in the same, but we are damn well close enough together for one of us to NOT be greater than the other.
nope we were not born to be hunters and gathers, it is thought that some groups did this. but we were just smart enough to hunt. and that actually disproves how we were born to be hunter since its (hunters and gatherers) Wolves with their fangs, stamina, and sense are truly hunters. we just can do it better.

i do not care about what we do the same or not, for that doesn't determine if one species is dominate over another.

what does is the fact that if you yourself truly wanted a Wolf, u could get one from wild. just need to research on something.

what truly is superior is how the only thing stopping us from taking from them, is us. and we can do everything they need to do, but better

it like, sure an 3 wheel bicycle and a two wheel bicycle both can go. but the 2 wheel is superior because its faster and has better cornering.

i mean, the fact that we even have time to treat them with such care just shows how superior we are. i mean is it common for animal to actually go out of their way to protect another species from its own or is it more common that the reason why it isn't eating that animal is because it isn't feeding time?

edit: by your words, it seems u don't hold the grass u step on very highly.
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@ nymue: i'm actually not too sure about Canada, but in the States, including Alaska, wolves are being hunted again. the chain reaction is:

Hunters hunt big game, want more, kill wolves. Hunters kill the hinters of the pack, pack must take easier prey, pack sometimes eat livestock. pack eats livestock, pack gets killed, other wolves get killed in the area. round and round and round. The reason the US hunts wolves nowadays is because of sport hunting of animals like elk. they want more to hunt, so they kill wolves, which, of course, gets more wolves killed.

I'm not completely discounting the fact that wolves are potentially dangerous; it wasn't too long ago that someonee was killed by an injured *cough* lone wolf. i was just pointing out that most people feel that wolves are extremely dangerous when, in fact, animals like coyotes are actually much more so. I just feel as if wolves do not nead to be feared, but respected. It's very unlikely that any wolf pack-let alone two- would come into a two-mile radius of your campsite. it's most likely that the unfamiliar sounds; scents, and fire would scare them off before you went to bed. however; lone wolves are a very real threat to campers. but lone wolves aren't the ones who are being aerial hunted, its the wolf packs that just happened to be in a lovely buffet line to die a cruel and unnecessary death.

I think that humans are superior in some sense, but i don't think that gives us the right to wipe out whatever species we don't feel can serve us perfectly at the moment. Humans shouldn't wipe out the world around them, but they do. I think we're superior but not that superior.

And are they serilusly going to kill red wolves!?!?
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Old October 17th, 2013 (07:38 AM).
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And are they serilusly going to kill red wolves!?!?
If ever the govt shuts down the reserve, yes. They'll all be wiped out. Like I said, telling people to not hunt in NC = bad idea.
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Ok I do not think Wolves should be erradicated. People are forgetting they had to be reintroduced because the same thing happened before and their prey over run things. Yes although there is hunting, there is a huge excess of animals like dear and elk and predetors such as wolves hunt them and keep them in balance. Wolves do benefit things. Yes, sometimes they do kill livestock which is unfortunate, and I dont think they ought to but they do not know the difference. I dont think they deserve to be extinct. If so it might get to the point where it is extremely difficult to control populations of certain animals due to the fact that not everyone wants to or can hunt. I dont have a problem with wolves at all and think they're cool animals, they can be dangerous, but guess what humans are also dangerous to each other and sometimes go around killing for no reason, wolves dont kill for no reason, they hunt for food and try to defend themselves.
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Isn't the main reason why the U.S. are hunting wolves agains because they're no longer endangered (much like the alligators and bison)? They also want to make sure that wolves do not overpopulate the area that could potentially be an issue to not-so-brave civilians.
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what i know is that wolves doesn't attack a group of people..and that they fear dogs and fire...i once saw one but thought it was a dog i was with my sister and we saw it in old uninhabited house..as soon as his eyes glow gold i knew it was a wolf so i told my sister to slowly step back and then we ran like hell lol

i remember it looked a lot like this one

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They aren't overpopulated. Deer and Elk are.

And if it looked like that picture, it was a coyote, as that is a picture of a coyote, which explains why it stayed near you.
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This reminds me of the whole shark attack conversations. Sharks rarely attack humans but people make such a big deal about the rare attacks that do occur along with the "beastly" shark movies such as Jaws, that it tricks people into thinking sharks are dangerous.

I think the stereotypes need to settle down a little bit since usually the people that spread them usually don't actually know what an animal is like.
It's true.

When a lot of people think wolves, they think of them as portrayed in stories like Little Red Riding Hood. But people should realise that these are just stories. People have trouble realising that Jaws is not based on a true story. It's just that our cultures convince us that certain animals are evil, dirty, or disgusting. For example, in the culture I was raised in pigs are considered dirty and viewed with great contempt. I can't eat pork or ham or anything pig. The camp I sometimes go to has a nearby farm which includes a pig, and I can't touch it. (Needless to say, the way that pig eats her food kind of grosses me out. My best friend gave her a corn cob and the pig ate it right out of his hand, leaving his hand full of pig drool.)
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Quote originally posted by TheTorraRegion:
And if it looked like that picture, it was a coyote, as that is a picture of a coyote, which explains why it stayed near you.
Coyote:



Red Wolf:



^ See the difference?


That wasn't a coyote, it was a Red Wolf.

Many scientists today are stating that the red wolf reserve should be destroyed because the red wolves mixed too much with timber wolves, grey wolves, and cotoyes due to endangerment. Because they aren't "pure", they shouldn't be protected - that's the argument.

Many red wolves look like coyotes due to being hybrids and also due to their history - which we have too many records of for science to disprove that red wolves are "special enough" to protect.

Red wolves and coyotes were some of the first canines we know of in American History. Red wolves even came before Dire Wolves. Which means they existed before grey wolves, timber wolves, white wolves, black wolves, etc - all wolves IN AMERICA...came after red wolves and coyotes. This is why coyotes and red wolves look alike - because similar features existed in both due to being more related with their ancestry.

Dire wolves had the same features but were more massive. They have been extinct for a while.

The red wolves are critically endangered.

Coyotes are about to be endangered, despite being protected due to the fact that humans can't handle coyote environments as well as coyotes can.


This slaughtering of wolves is senseless and MUST stop.
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A few days back I was watching a documentary on Yellowstone. It stated that wolves had been eradicated from Yellowstone for nearly 75 years. The elk numbers increased and the small growing trees of Yellowstone were being sporadically eaten and reduced in size.

So in 1995 some scientists released about 35 Canadian Wolves in Yellowstone and within a year the elk population had been reduced to half. This allowed the trees to start growing again and the beavers started coming back to Yellowstone. Due to them blocking the rivers with their dams more species of aquatic wildife returned here.

That shows how important wolves are to the ecosystem. You can't just kill a predator because it's harmful to man and expect the environment to be the same. Wolve attacks are very rare and humans still think that wolves are some cruel chainsaw which slaughter humans all their life.
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Are you sure coyotes are endangered? Where I live, they are considered pests and have a hunting season.Coyotes are, in fact, more dangerous than a wolf pack.

And okay, I'm sorry. I'm not really familiar with red wolves. That top picture almost looks more like a young wolf than a coyote. It's so orange!
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Being "Superior" does not grant someone the right to decide which can live and which should die...
I watched this video not so long ago about a man and woman trying to reintroduce wolves in the wild, bonding with them as well to gain their trust to understand the intimate life of a wolf pack deeper...And it showed me a lot that I did not know about wolves before.

Here is a link if you're interested :
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Saying that our "superiority" is what keeps them alive and what would decide of their extinction might be true in a sense, but it's "power talk"...
Imo, superiority does not only involve power - a superior being should also be able to consider other living beings as part of the world we all share. Everything has its use on Earth to maintain the ecosystems in a good shape.

Saying that wolves should be exterminated just because they are deemed "dangerous" is far too quickly judged.
Wolves have a "safety perimeter" that people should respect if they want to approach the animal without making themselves look like a threat to the animal.
Besides, wolves do not attack humans as often as we'd think...just like sharks, honestly. They are misunderstood animals for the most part because of the stereotypes, as well.

If anything, populations of wolves should be regulated if necessary, but not exterminated.
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Quote originally posted by TheTorraRegion:
Are you sure coyotes are endangered? Where I live, they are considered pests and have a hunting season.Coyotes are, in fact, more dangerous than a wolf pack.

And okay, I'm sorry. I'm not really familiar with red wolves. That top picture almost looks more like a young wolf than a coyote. It's so orange!
I said "about to be". Right now they are seen as Least Concern, but at the same time coyotes generally fare in areas of human absence, so the idea that they are overpopulated clashes with the increased desire for them to be hunted all the time. Thus, they are actually being driven to extinction and no one's noticing - like with what happened to the dire wolves and the red wolves.


How to tell the difference:

Red wolves are known by their increased reddish tint in their fur, which you don't always see. This is because red wolves change their fur color year-round, with the seasons. Interestingly enough, these changes mean shedding lighter fur - for summer - to thicker fur - for winter. In other words, red wolves are an astounding species than can naturally change their entire look to fit survivability in the wild, so they don't have to worry about warmth or coolness throughout the seasons. To add to that, the color change may make it so that you don't recognize the same red wolf after 1 year, since their colors will look completely different from the previous year - this is because their fur colors also change with age.

Red tints are not always on red wolves and only show at certain times, so the ability for us to recognize them is based more on their anatomical look - and then their overall appearance, to distinguish them from coyotes and other wolves.

Red wolves have survived so long because they use brains rather than brawn. Unlike the dire wolves, who chose to just Hulk Smash everything, red wolves were able to use strategy in battle and outlined their territory better than other wolves, which is why they were such a threat to human colonists and thus why those same colonists went to war against them. Unlike coyotes, however, they don't run away with their tails between their legs - this is why they chose to fight and went endangered for it.
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Ah. gray wolves also look quite different in certain seasons.

I also find the complex hunting methods of canids fascinating. Gray wolves, African Wild Dogs, and, apparently, Red wolves all have complicated, intelligent hunting strategies.
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Wolves are noble creatures, and will never attack anything unless their lives depend on it, or for mating rights or territory, but that is only against other wolves.

They are hunted for their furs, and their teeth. But for what? Money. Because of money, people would do anything. There are even some people who go to jail for the rich in return for money in ancient China.

The Alphas, or Vór and Vóras, are looked up to by the lower pack members. They move as one, hunt as one, even think as one. They are like generals of an army. The alpha would risk their lives to save the pack, and vise versa.

You could say that wolves may be more noble than some nobles!
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