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Old November 30th, 2013, 08:58 PM
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The common consensus amongst fans, based on hints in the game, is that Hoenn will soon be revisted in a Gen VI game. The guess is that the tradition of remakes, skipped in Gen V, will resume with R/S/E remakes. That wasn't my immediate guess, though, and here's why:
  • Continuity: All of the remakes were established to be concurrent timewise with the new game of each generation. Since X/Y are established to take place after Gen V, it wouldn't make sense for trade to be possible with a R/S/E remake, since they were concurrent with Red's first adventure, which happened 6-8 years before X/Y. In addition, the GBA games are compatible with XY, so it would be very strange for a Pokemon to originate in Hoenn...then be transferred into the same adventure.
  • Megas: If there were new Hoenn games, there would undoubtedly be new Megas for Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza. Plot wise, it would seem strange, because these ultimate powered Pokemon would be introduced, then given a new level just as quickly. However, as a sequel, it would make sense to take these legends to the next level.
  • Sequels have a precedent: Black/White 2 set a new precedent in the series: Direct sequels. It did a great job of looking at what happened in Unova since Hilbert/Hilda defeated Plasma, and it would be cool story-wise to see the same thing done with Hoenn. Yes, G/S were direct sequels as well, but I tend not to count them since they were done in separate generations from R/B/Y.

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Old November 30th, 2013, 09:45 PM
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First, GSC was the first sequel. Since it, you know, took place after the events of RBY and had the same region and many recurring characters.

Second, this makes sense, especially from the timeline perspective. If they want to keep up with the timeline they established, with FRLG and RSE happening around the same time, the only real thing they can do is make a future Hoenn. Of course they could just do the Time Travel Capsule thing again. Just because they really don't need a sensical reason to let you trade.

Edit: Actually, is there any evidence that proves XY happen after BW? I don't know for certain if this game does happen after that. Heck, it COULD take place during RSE/FRLG, right? Unless there's something that states otherwise?
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Old November 30th, 2013, 09:53 PM
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I agree. Not only would I prefer sequels rather than remakes, I also think they're more likely. It just seems redundant to remake R/S/E. They're still relatively popular. Sequels would be perfect. I especially like this idea because Hoenn is my favorite region, and my main interest is in seeing Hoenn revisited. And I'd like revisiting the region better if it were with a fresh new adventure.
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Great idea. I wanted R/S/E remakes at first, but this seems even better. If they do make sequels to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, then I'd like them to give us access to Kalos post-game—sort of like how they allowed us to visit Kanto in G/S/C. Story-wise, I think it would be quite awesome if they merged Aqua and Magma into one, single team and gave them new leader(s), if possible.

Also, I'm moving this thread over to Pokémon Gaming General. This does relate to Pokémon X and Y, but we're also discussing R/S/E on the side, so that forum would be more fitting. (:

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Uh...it's not official that Hoenn and Kanto take place in the same time. Also trading doesn't mean games take place in the same time, look at the orre spinoffs...they take place a few years apart yet can still trade with one another.

As for Magma and Aqua merging...I really doubt GF would do that, actually the teams seem like they'll have little reason to come back as they saw the error of their ways first hand.
If any pre gen V games deserve sequels it's DP which left us with Cyrus possibly returning...
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Old November 30th, 2013, 10:27 PM
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I rather doubt this will happen. I think Game Freak wants an entirely new storyline for each generation.

If this did happen, though, I wouldn't mind this unless the conclusion to the story was ruined in some way.
Normally I prefer to sort of make up my own background details (about personalities and such) as I play the games, so if it turned out, that, say, only Brendan could have been the protagonist, or they retcon Archie and Maxie reforming, I wouldn't be too happy...
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First, GSC was the first sequel. Since it, you know, took place after the events of RBY and had the same region and many recurring characters.

Second, this makes sense, especially from the timeline perspective. If they want to keep up with the timeline they established, with FRLG and RSE happening around the same time, the only real thing they can do is make a future Hoenn. Of course they could just do the Time Travel Capsule thing again. Just because they really don't need a sensical reason to let you trade.

Edit: Actually, is there any evidence that proves XY happen after BW? I don't know for certain if this game does happen after that. Heck, it COULD take place during RSE/FRLG, right? Unless there's something that states otherwise?
Fly to the middle of Luminose City and enter the Pokemon Center. I think there is a person who say something about Team Plasma and the event which occurred in Unnova and some funny story about Blue with his funny attitude.
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Edit: Actually, is there any evidence that proves XY happen after BW? I don't know for certain if this game does happen after that. Heck, it COULD take place during RSE/FRLG, right? Unless there's something that states otherwise?
An NPC in a Pokémon Center says that Team Plasma were making news in Unova "a while back." Technically, it could take place at the same time as B2W2, but I dunno.

I dunno about sequels, I'd rather have remakes, maybe with an expanded post-game. That might be cuz I never played RSE and want to experience them, though.
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First, GSC was the first sequel. Since it, you know, took place after the events of RBY and had the same region and many recurring characters.
G/S/C were tied heavily into R/B/Y and continued many plot threads, but I don't see them as closely connected as the Gen V games were. The Johto games can stand on their own story-wise in a way that B/W 2 cannot. That's why I differentiated them.
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Uh...it's not official that Hoenn and Kanto take place in the same time. Also trading doesn't mean games take place in the same time, look at the orre spinoffs...they take place a few years apart yet can still trade with one another.

As for Magma and Aqua merging...I really doubt GF would do that, actually the teams seem like they'll have little reason to come back as they saw the error of their ways first hand.
If any pre gen V games deserve sequels it's DP which left us with Cyrus possibly returning...
Orre doesn't exist as it isn't a main title game. Third party creation that has nothing to do with main game timeline. All basis and defense including a game that isn't made by gamefreak don't really have a lot of support when the entire arguement/discussion is solely based around the information produced and influenced by Gamefreak and the main series. In the same defense, you can get all Pokemon in Generation 4 games through cheats because there was an item released not by gamefreak that would allow you to catch all Pokemon. When it comes to main series games, the only things that matter are events and relations to main series games themselves.

FR/LG had a few references connecting it straight with RSE in a time sense. Celio's little ditty at the end of FR/LG has the largest support with him actively connecting with Lanette and syncing their two systems together to allow trade with the Hoenn games. Bill and Lanette's emails also assist with this theory.


As for megas, I don't see Kyogre and Groudon getting Megas. They don't seem popular enough as Mewtwo was. Until another generation is added I don't see any new Megas being added due to the compatibility issue. You would not be able to use either the new Mega Stones nor the Mega Pokemon forms if you were to battle against someone with X or Y. Until the next Gen happens, my expectations for more Megas is non-existent.

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G/S/C were tied heavily into R/B/Y and continued many plot threads, but I don't see them as closely connected as the Gen V games were. The Johto games can stand on their own story-wise in a way that B/W 2 cannot. That's why I differentiated them.
G/S were known as Pokemon 2, the direct sequel to the Pokemon games. They were originally the last installment to the Pokemon series. It wasn't supposed to go past that, but they had such a positive haul with the games that they continued them.

Gold and Silver ARE the original sequels to the Pokemon games and B2W2 are the second set of sequels in the Pokemon games. Even as two separate stand alone game titles, they are both still sequels to other games.

Even if you don't see them that way, they are sequels, intended to be and directly follow the events of their predecessor.
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G/S/C were tied heavily into R/B/Y and continued many plot threads, but I don't see them as closely connected as the Gen V games were. The Johto games can stand on their own story-wise in a way that B/W 2 cannot. That's why I differentiated them.
B2W2 has more closely following plot stuffs, but they're still in the same class as "sequels". And in that sense, GSC were the first sequels.

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Uh...it's not official that Hoenn and Kanto take place in the same time. Also trading doesn't mean games take place in the same time, look at the orre spinoffs...they take place a few years apart yet can still trade with one another.
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I just want to play a Hoenn remake with the same graphics as HG/SS, AND be able to walk with your pokémon. It just sounds perfect to me.
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As for megas, I don't see Kyogre and Groudon getting Megas. They don't seem popular enough as Mewtwo was. Until another generation is added I don't see any new Megas being added due to the compatibility issue. You would not be able to use either the new Mega Stones nor the Mega Pokemon forms if you were to battle against someone with X or Y. Until the next Gen happens, my expectations for more Megas is non-existent.
That never stopped GF from adding Forme changes during the same generation. Megas are a hot item now, so adding some more are an easy way to build hype. Groudon and Kyogre may not be as popular as Mewtwo, but being on the cover of two new games will put them in the spotlight again and justify Mega forms.
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I agree that mega forms for the Weather Trio are very likely. I don't necessarily agree that they're necessary story-wise, but from a marketing perspective it's almost inevitable. Having mega Groudon and mega Kyogre would really pull players in, and would do a good job at denoting them as sequels, rather than just remakes.
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I would've initially thought that they would do RSE Sequels instead of Remakes, but that's changed since X/Y. I think Black 2 & White 2 only happened because they were supposed to be direct sequels from the predecessors Black & White, released two years prior to them. Not to mention a remake was missed out in the previous generation, so for some reason I believe that we're overdue for one and a RS Remake would fill that slot perfectly.
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Yes. Or no. Argggggg!!!! It's killing me!!!!!!!
Yes because I really want the name to be like Pokemon Garnet and Aquamarine. They sound nice. (I'm getting aquamarine!!) but Pokemon Ruby 2 and Sapphire 2 (I don't think there is a Pokemon Emerald because of what happened with Yellow and Crystal) sound weird.

No because the storyline was really good. And I loved the home base concept. (BERRIES) I want to see Groudon in the 3D LAVA. Omg the diving. Probably earn Pokemon the best graphics ever award. All they have to do is add more features and the new Pokemon and Pokeathalon and Leaves. And I would have a happy life.

They better bring back Contests. Or else. Or else I would personally go to Japan and rip the boss' head off. Better if a 13 year old girl did it than anyone else.
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I would've initially thought that they would do RSE Sequels instead of Remakes, but that's changed since X/Y. I think Black 2 & White 2 only happened because they were supposed to be direct sequels from the predecessors Black & White, released two years prior to them. Not to mention a remake was missed out in the previous generation, so for some reason I believe that we're overdue for one and a RS Remake would fill that slot perfectly.
I don't think we're overdue for a remake because re-makes aren't really necessary. With sequels, they can re-make the region without re-making the entire story (which would be redundant in my opinion). And what you said about black and white 2 only seems to support the idea of sequels to R/S/E. It set a precedent for sequels to Pokemon games, and showed them to be a viable alternative to remakes or separate versions.
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A sequel is not necessary for Ruby and Sapphire. There is not much to explain. Brendan/May as the champion, Wally as a gym leader, Archie and Maxie retired? That is actually it. And who must the player supposed to be? Black and White had more reasons to get sequels than R/S.

Remakes are more likely, and I really, really want a return to Hoenn so much! Hoenn is my favorite region, Gen III is my favorite gen, my favorite Pokemon is from Gen III and Emerald is my favorite Pokemon game.
But the chance for a return to Hoenn is very small, if GF wanted to make sequels/remakes, they would have done it in Gen V.
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I don't think we're overdue for a remake because re-makes aren't really necessary. With sequels, they can re-make the region without re-making the entire story (which would be redundant in my opinion). And what you said about black and white 2 only seems to support the idea of sequels to R/S/E. It set a precedent for sequels to Pokemon games, and showed them to be a viable alternative to remakes or separate versions.
I don't think one set of sequels in one generation after so many years since the previous ones (GS) sets a precedent for sequels...especially for an old region...actually remakes have more precedent than sequels do...
Also remakes are only redundant for those of us who have played the originals, remember there's a whole lot of new fans who haven't played the Hoenn or Kanto games. Actually I bet more don't know what Hoenn is than either Kanto,Johto, or Sinnoh which appeared five years or so ago in Gen IV.
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I'd definitely prefer sequels now, since they can update and change a few things around the region that is being remade, they may also include a new evil team, battle styles, Mega Evolutions, etc.
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The idea of Hoenn sequels just doesn't appeal to me, as it doesn't feel like Hoenn needs sequels as it's story felt wrapped up. I think they should do one last remake, then do sequels for DP, and BW...well B2W2 XD as those stories felt less wrapped up (for B3W3...or hopefully 'Grey' they can have the original dragon with crazy Ghetsis trying to obtain it).

Now one should have said sequels for Kanto...other than GS that is, seeing how they have already been remade once, but are so old. We could have Team Rocket come up again, this time trying to control Mega Pokémon.
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The idea of Hoenn sequels just doesn't appeal to me, as it doesn't feel like Hoenn needs sequels as it's story felt wrapped up. I think they should do one last remake, then do sequels for DP, and BW...well B2W2 XD as those stories felt less wrapped up (for B3W3...or hopefully 'Grey' they can have the original dragon with crazy Ghetsis trying to obtain it).

Now one should have said sequels for Kanto...other than GS that is, seeing how they have already been remade once, but are so old. We could have Team Rocket come up again, this time trying to control Mega Pokémon.
Please, no more Kanto. I've had enough Gen I pandering with X and Y. Give another region the spotlight for once.
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The idea of Hoenn sequels just doesn't appeal to me, as it doesn't feel like Hoenn needs sequels as it's story felt wrapped up. I think they should do one last remake, then do sequels for DP, and BW...well B2W2 XD as those stories felt less wrapped up (for B3W3...or hopefully 'Grey' they can have the original dragon with crazy Ghetsis trying to obtain it).

Now one should have said sequels for Kanto...other than GS that is, seeing how they have already been remade once, but are so old. We could have Team Rocket come up again, this time trying to control Mega Pokémon.
Same here. If they ever make more sequels it should be a game where you can visit all regions.
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I don't think one set of sequels in one generation after so many years since the previous ones (GS) sets a precedent for sequels...especially for an old region...actually remakes have more precedent than sequels do...
Also remakes are only redundant for those of us who have played the originals, remember there's a whole lot of new fans who haven't played the Hoenn or Kanto games. Actually I bet more don't know what Hoenn is than either Kanto,Johto, or Sinnoh which appeared five years or so ago in Gen IV.
That's why I think the region should be revisited, just not the story. Idk, perhaps it's just my opinion (and likely the opinion of at least a few others), but I'd be really disappointed if they ended up being remakes. I'd like to revisit the Hoenn region, but with a new adventure. There's so much potential in the Hoenn region, and I think it has the potential to be way bigger than just one story.

Doesn't have to necessarily be a sequel, but at least a new story with new playable characters and a new adventure. I think the Hoenn region deserves it.
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