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Old January 15th, 2014 (01:22 AM).
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I believe in God, but I don't follow a religion. I've met people of all different sorts of religions, and I won't look down upon you or think less of you. I think everybody is allowed to believe what they want, yeah?
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Old January 15th, 2014 (02:16 PM). Edited January 15th, 2014 by Timbjerr.
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I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but as I got older and started to do my own philosophical thinking, I strayed away from a lot of Orthodox ideas. Nowadays while I'm still decidedly theist I mostly refer to myself as a Pandeist, which is to say that I believe God is one with the universe itself and is all-knowing, but doesn't mettle in our human affairs because He's for too busy with more important things like maintaining cosmic balance and such. XD
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Old January 15th, 2014 (04:05 PM).
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I was born and raised in Islam. I consider myself religious as I do pray, fast, abstain from sins and what not and I'm happy for it!

What I don't understand is why other people (mostly those who don't believe in my experiences) make fun of others for believing in a religion, believing that there isn't any God is a kind of 'faith' as well...
That being said, I respect anyone's belief. It's their opinion, live and let live.
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Old January 15th, 2014 (04:19 PM).
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I consider myself Agnostic. I've been raised Christian. It's a shame to know people get mistreated for beliefs that don't harm anyone in any manner.
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First time here and I'm honestly surprised with the amount of civility I'm seeing in a conversation about religion!

But on to the topic at hand:

-I suppose I'm agnostic. I believe that there is a higher power that created everything, but I don't believe that this deity is involved in our everyday lives as I find it hard to believe that any omniscient, omnipotent being would even care considering the scale of its power.

-I was born in this awkward stage where my parents were converting from Catholicism to Mormonism, but I grew up Mormon. As I grew up, I began to waver in my Mormon religion, then I left it, then I returned, and now I'm gone again.

-When it comes to the religions of others, I believe that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. However, I will never argue with someone over that. I will, however, argue with their reason as to why they believe what they do. You're an Atheist? Cool. But are you only one in rebellion to the religion of the people around you and not because that's what you truly believe? You're Christian? Cool. But are you only one because people tell you to be and not because you want to be one?

Outside of the questions now. I believe that religion is just like any other idea; potentially powerful and potentially dangerous. All ideas have the potential for great good or great evil depending on who wields it and how. I've witnessed how religion has held together my family in the hardest of times and lifted people from the depths of despair, and I've also seen it even break families apart as well as being well aware of the atrocities of the past done in religion's name.

There's my two cents. Before I go, I wanna just say this. I think when Atheists try to shove their beliefs down other people's throats while complaining about religions doing the same is kinda silly. It's like a black guy being racist against white people for what they did in the past; hypocritical and pointless. Nobody should be shoving anything down anyone's throat. I'm not saying anyone here has done that, but it's just something I've noticed and decided here would be a good place to talk about it. I apologize if anyone takes any offense to my comments, and now I go to sleep.
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Old January 15th, 2014 (11:34 PM).
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I'm an atheist. I was born in a family where religion was given very little importance. My mother's relatives baptized me as Orthodox Christian (I was born in what used to be USSR) more for the sake of tradition than anything, and she tried guilting me into wearing a cross on my neck for years, but I ended up ditching it. On the other hand, we had a ton of litterature, including books on lots of different religions, and could basically make our choices ourselves.

I clearly remember, at the age of, like 6 or 7, having a children's edition of the Bible and a book called "Encyclopedia for children" which basically laid out science in a lot of fields (including the creation of Earth, evolution etc) in a manner accessible to kids. I tried reading both, and, frankly, the latter made all the sense in the world to me, while the former did none.

With time I also became somewhat of a nihilist. For those who don't know what it is, I basically believe that everything, including our existance, is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things. While a lot of people find that depressing, I see it more as a positive thing, as it takes a lot of pressure off. On the other hand, I think that, since there's no higher power to judge us upon death, the only judges we have are other people who are as short-lived as we are, and while I don't think we were handed rules from above, it doesn't mean we don't need empathy, decency, respect...

At the end of the day, I can say that my philosophy has only two commandments: live your life the way it makes the most sense to you because it's the only life you've got, and never and in any manner get in the way of other people's doing the same.
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I have no religion. It's something I don't care about. And I don't believe in sins or hell. If it's bad, it's bad. I don't need a book to tell me how to live my life. Especially since it was written by men.

Another reason I don't care for religions is because all of them at some point have practiced sacrifice. Why would I want to follow something that had been so barbaric? And they And I don't like how we have to bow down to a god. That just exists to satisfy their egos.

While I myself may not be religious, my family is. I come from an Amish family. xD That's def a first. If there's anyone else I'll be shocked :p So a lot of them are very religious. But they're accepting of those who aren't. They don't shun us if we don't follow their religion.

I was raised with believes from the Pagan and Wiccan religions. My mom follows Wicca herself and used to be Amish before my grandma left the religion.
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I have no religion. It's something I don't care about. And I don't believe in sins or hell. If it's bad, it's bad. I don't need a book to tell me how to live my life. Especially since it was written by men.

Another reason I don't care for religions is because all of them at some point have practiced sacrifice. Why would I want to follow something that had been so barbaric? And they And I don't like how we have to bow down to a god. That just exists to satisfy their egos.
This. I don't mind others following their religion - live and let live and all, but it bothers me when some people try to spin it as if those who don't follow a religion have no moral compass or sense of what's right or wrong.

Personally I was never raised with religion so I know very little about any of it, and I'm okay with that. My parents have both been to church when they were younger (I'm sorry, I'm so ignorant to religion I can't even tell you what kind), and I know my dad does believe in a higher power, he's just not super dedicated to his faith and all, and my mom just never believed any of it.
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Old January 17th, 2014 (05:24 AM).
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Was born and raised to no religion, but somehow my "crush" convinced me into believing a portion of Christianity (Catholic to be in fact), I don't really know if there is a God but the stories and Tales of the Old and New Testament really got me moving. The stories about Jesus Christ in the New Testament really got me moving about how he accepted everyone into his Kingdom. I don't really know, so my answer is: Still deciding.
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Old January 17th, 2014 (11:11 AM).
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I am a believer in the all-powerful flying spaghetti monster. Heil.



Joking aside, I think that religion is a detiriment to the human race. How can such an archaic and high regard for the imaginary as if it were fact be good for our progress as a species?
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Old January 17th, 2014 (09:46 PM).
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I think it's healthy to fill that void of the unknown, so I do as much as I can to fill that gap. Otherwise I'm not too specific on whatever you are as long as you're not a dick about it.

(And not that I'm complaining but every time I read threads like these a little bit of me dies on the inside for some of ya :x)
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Quote originally posted by droomph:
(And not that I'm complaining but every time I read threads like these a little bit of me dies on the inside for some of ya :x)
I agree, these threads have too many Godless heathens in them for my taste. Just kidding I'm not even religy.
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I was baptized a Catholic when I was like 2 or 3 years old (and obviously didn't have a choice in the matter), and did have cathechesis (again, not my choice) for 6 years, until I was like 11 or 12.

That said, I follow no religion, and I don't believe in whatever god or non-god there may be out there. Nor have I ever felt the tiniest bit of religious faith in my life. Religion's done more harm than good through the whole history of man, and I prefer to just stay away from it. I have no problems with people who follow a religion though, as long as they don't stuff it down other people's throats.

On a sidenote, I'm honestly surprised that there haven't been any god vs god vs non-god battles here. PC is evolving!
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Old January 18th, 2014 (01:44 PM).
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I agree, these threads have too many Godless heathens in them for my taste. Just kidding I'm not even religy. :pink_giggle:
You're not getting the point. What I'm saying is that some of ya are missing out on one the great pleasures in life.

I don't care what you believe in, but it's healthy to believe in something you don't have any logic behind. It can even be that you know everything that exists and that you're the best in the world, it really doesn't even matter.

And besides, that kind of snark is exactly the kind of dickery that I mean when I say "as long as you're not a dick about it". I didn't even say there were any godless heathen here, I just said that I died a bit inside when I read some of your posts. And not even complaining — nobody told me to go **** off, right? Therefore I have no right to make anyone change their views, and I don't. I am simply stating that I see something that I don't feel comfortable with. And as "dick" as that makes me look to you, I still have the right to put in a comment about how I feel, as long as I'm not breaking any rules in doing so.
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Old January 18th, 2014 (02:36 PM).
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Quote originally posted by droomph:
You're not getting the point. What I'm saying is that some of ya are missing out on one the great pleasures in life.


And besides, that kind of snark is exactly the kind of dickery that I mean when I say "as long as you're not a dick about it". I didn't even say there were any godless heathen here, I just said that I died a bit inside when I read some of your posts. And not even complaining — nobody told me to go **** off, right? Therefore I have no right to make anyone change their views, and I don't. I am simply stating that I see something that I don't feel comfortable with. And as "dick" as that makes me look to you, I still have the right to put in a comment about how I feel, as long as I'm not breaking any rules in doing so.
Chill dude. It was obvious that I took your quote out of context and was just making a joke. I know sarcasm doesn't always translate well over the internet, that's why I even said I was kidding.

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I don't care what you believe in, but it's healthy to believe in something you don't have any logic behind. It can even be that you know everything that exists and that you're the best in the world, it really doesn't even matter.
Okay this I don't even. I'm not trying to take anyone's religion away from them but how is it always healthy to believe in something you don't have any logic behind? I know faith helps some people get through the day and some tough times but you could list plenty of reasons that religion has negatively influenced people and effected our society. Now it's hard to talk about the cons of religion without offending people but I'd be willing to have this discussion with you if you really want to get into this. To say you don't care what religion someone belongs to is one thing, to say that it's healthy to have blind faith regardless of what it is they believe in, is probably one of the most ignorant things I've read in a while. Blind faith can be very dangerous and like it's been said in other posts in this thread it also stunts our growth as a society.
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I do only not believe in any god, I just simply can't believe in a god. I personally find the concept just way too unnecessarily complicated but at the same time conveniently simplistic for it to be true.
Same applies to stuff like ghosts. Now albeit I'm fascinated by stuff like alleged ghost sightings and people who claim to see spirits walking about, I do not believe it is actually real, due to it being, as I said, unnecessarily complicated but at the same time conveniently simplistic.

I won't deny that a supernatural realm parallel to our own would be pretty damn cool and add some spice to it all, but as long as no sufficient explanation or proof of its existence is at all shown, I can't believe it to exist.
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My family are Assemblies of God Pentecostal. Though, I personally don't really know what I, personally, would fall under... Though I live by the beliefs of the church, I also have a more open-minded point of view, and also kinda view things as an agnostic would. I don't go to Church every Sunday, and you don't see me praying.... But, I believe that God exists. I dunno... Meh, anyways, yeah. I guess I'm, more or less, Christian xD
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Okay this I don't even. I'm not trying to take anyone's religion away from them but how is it always healthy to believe in something you don't have any logic behind? I know faith helps some people get through the day and some tough times but you could list plenty of reasons that religion has negatively influenced people and effected our society. Now it's hard to talk about the cons of religion without offending people but I'd be willing to have this discussion with you if you really want to get into this. To say you don't care what religion someone belongs to is one thing, to say that it's healthy to have blind faith regardless of what it is they believe in, is probably one of the most ignorant things I've read in a while. Blind faith can be very dangerous and like it's been said in other posts in this thread it also stunts our growth as a society.
Remember the part where I said "don't be a dick about it"? Obviously I know that it's bad, but that's only if you're pushing it on other people. Now it might be sad that I won't be able to accept anything, but as long as I keep it to myself it's perfectly fine.
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Old January 18th, 2014 (04:21 PM). Edited January 18th, 2014 by Digimon Kaiser.
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Am I religious?

No.

I see see all the evil in the world and come to the conclusion that a benevolent deity would never allow it all to happen, and there is no good reason to believe there should be a god, and science is slowly rendering religion obsolete.

I just quoted the TCOD WPAY quiz. Those two statements pretty much sums up my opinions.

Also, I don't rub my views into people's faces, and hate it when extreme Christians/Muslims etc, try to rub their view in others' faces, especially mine. I'm proud athiest.
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I'm Muslim and thankful for that ^^

Were you born into said religion, or did you join through choice?

I was born as a Muslim in a Muslims family but My religion is believing in also the other two Heavenly religions..Christianity and Judaism.


How dedicated to your religion are you?
I Love Allah and I love my religion a lot I strongly believe in the highest power of God and the strength of a prayer...however,I'm a medium Muslim..I pray five times a day and I do fasting and read as much as I can from Qur'an but I believe I still can do more as a person and as a Muslim

What beliefs do you particularly agree with? What are some you disagree with, if any?

I believe that No God but Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is the last messenger sent with the message of Islam,I believe in prophets and messages in Qur'an,Bible and Torah(the old ones as the current ones was fixed) ,I believe in Angels and devil,I believe in the inside evil that we need to beat it with all the strength we can because the evil inside every person is strong and I can be stronger and beat the evil of myself.

when it comes to disagreeing there is some different views Muslims follows and of course there is difference so I might disagree with something another Muslim agrees on it and we can still respect each others points!

In the end Prophet Muhammad said Ask your heart even when people answer listen to the answer of your heart...what's good is good and what's bad is what you hate people seeing you doing!....and that's why I trust my heart :)


Good thread btw ^.^
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My dad's side of my family is Jehovah Witness.
My mom's side is Baptist.

However, I was never really raised in a religious family, therefore I was never forced to pick. I know a lot of information about a lot of different religions and right now I'm currently Agnostic-Atheist. This means that I don't currently believe in the idea of a God, but I don't bash the idea of a possible existence of one. I really don't like to think about those kind of things too deeply as it's something completely out of our control.
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Quote originally posted by droomph:
Remember the part where I said "don't be a dick about it"? Obviously I know that it's bad, but that's only if you're pushing it on other people. Now it might be sad that I won't be able to accept anything, but as long as I keep it to myself it's perfectly fine.
The way you've worded it, it gives the impression that you assume there's a portion of the mind that can only be devoted to "blind faith", which is not quite true. On the flip side, one could theoretically argue that an unquestioned trust in the ability of science to eventually answer all uncertainties is a form blind faith given the human element required in science.

As for me, I'm an agnostic atheist that was not raised religious and quite frankly doesn't care what your religious beliefs are as long as you aren't using them as your "reason" to hate someone or to otherwise discriminate against someone based on yours and their religious beliefs (or, for that matter their or your lack of religious beliefs).
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I'd like to add something to what I said earlier, and I'll put it in a large print so people will notice it.

For me, everything that religion aims to provide I already have.

Yes, this includes what happens after death. Through many experiences in my life in the past 15 years, and through conversations with some of the most intelligent people I've known, I've learned that religion's benefits are null and void with what I have obtained. Think about it.

First, I'll knock out the big one: “What happens when we die?” I was talking to my therapist, name Dudley Sigler-Black, Ph.D., about my uncle who recently killed himself, and he enlightened me to something that lifted any worry or fear I had regarding my uncle. He told me numerous accounts of experiences that both his patients (incognito) and documentations of other doctors' experiences of crossing the void of death. With references to names of doctors and organizations to search myself (which I did), he first told me of this man who had died on the operating table. When he died, he left his body and ever so gradually an unimaginably bright light consumed his vision. Oddly, he was drawn to it. Does this sound familiar? He moved closer and closer to it, until a voice told him to stop. The voice told him he had a choice, he could either go on ahead, or go back and live his life some more. At that point he decided to go back, thinking of his family and how they would fare without him. And he told this experience.

Another experience conducted on about 2,000 small children between 5 and 9 by Harvard Medical, involves this. There was an 8-year-old boy named Jack, and his parents decided to take him to a psychiatrist when they noticed he kept drawing pictures of plane crashes. So, Jack went to the psychiatrist, and explained to the man that he had died in a plane crash, his name was Jack (before he died), that he was sad that he died, and wanted to cope with it through drawing pictures. This sounds crazy, no? Jack's father was in staunch belief that his kid is playing a game, and was trying to screw with them. They took him to almost two dozen different doctors, where one hooks him up to a lie detector test, which yields negative results. Eventually the kid says that he had crashed into a very specific naval model battleship, and gives him the name of the boat. His dad searches it, but doesn't find anything—in battleships, that is. It turns out that there was a ship with that name, but it wasn't a battleship – it was an aircraft carrier. Through that, the people keeping tabs on this manage to find the wife of this so-called Jack who died in a plane crash on the USS so-and-so, and they bring Jack to her. He introduces himself as her husband, and she blushes, saying that her husband died. He claims that he is in fact him, and describes to her a picture that he drew of her before he died. In the attic of her house, she finds that very same picture—exactly as the 8-year-old described it.

A third (and somewhat shorter) story Dr. Black told me, was this. A man had died on the operating table, and had (like before) left his body. As he floated there, he heard the dialogue between the head surgeon and the nurse, regarding some sort of message to get some medicine. After the surgeon brought him back to life, he talked with him, telling him exactly what the doctor and the nurse had said—while he was dead.

Before you flap around saying "sources lol smh", I have it. It's called my therapist, whose name is linked to his profile on his employer's website. He's been doing his job for over 25 years.



As for the other, less important things that religion aims to fill, moral values are covered for me in recorded history. Everything else? Riff raff.
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I'd just like to put this out there. To those saying that they like "proof" and need to "see to believe," would that not make you incapable of believing in geometrys postulates, which cannot be proved, but must simply be accepted as truth?

Just thought I'd put that out there. Probably gonna get some backlash, as I'm sure there's a flaw in my argument, but it's 1 AM over here and I'm half-asleep, listening to REO Speedwagon.
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