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Old February 22nd, 2014 (07:48 PM).
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On the matter of people not wanting children or having them later, that becomes a problem for the school system when elementary schools are not attracting enough enrolments and are inevitably closed down. This has happened to quite a number of schools in the neighbourhood where I used to live. Relatively, the increasing standard cost of living makes having children a turn off to couples as they may even find it hard to support themselves, never mind a child. The elderly population living as long as they are is a problem in itself considering there are only a limited number of retirement homes.
Just adding onto this - great argument by the way Vanille Sky - it's not only a finanical decision, but a cultural one as well. Some cultures view many children as a sign of power or manhood, while others keep theirs limited.

Caucasian families usually keep their family size to 1-2 children (1.6 on average per family) for the reason to provide the best financially, emotionally, and spiritually;unfortunately, it is often difficult to send your child to the best school possible when you must also provide for 4 or 5 other kids.

Likewise, just look at China. They actually have a policy called the "one-child/family planning policy" which limits each couple to one child (the only people exempt from this is if the child is disabled, or if one of the parents is an only child - than they are able to have a second kid). Which, to be honest, makes sense if you look at it based off of world population. China alone accounts for a little over 19% of the world's population, equating to 1.36 billion people. They are now taking the step necessary to prevent an overpopulation crisis (which in my opinion I feel like they are already having)

On the other hand of the spectrum, we have cultures such as those of Hispanics where children are highly valued and desired. As such, on average, they have around 3.87 children, around .6 higher than the nation's average.

Do I believe overpopulation will become a threat? Yes. Do I believe it's imminent? Not in the next few years I don't believe so. But it could very well be around 2025. That may just be a shot in the dark, but I leave with this quote that I found which is quite staggering

"Sixty years later, in 1987, the world population was five billion, and 12 years later, in October 1999, it is estimated to have passed six billion. Small wonder that many are concerned about what this bodes for our future. Due to the momentum represented by steeply pyramidal age distributions, population growth surely will continue for one to several generations. Most of that growth will occur in developing nations. An eventual world population of 8-12 billion is expected by the end of the century. But estimates change frequently."
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Old February 23rd, 2014 (08:40 PM).
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Overpopulation isn't an issue as much as lack of efficiency when using resources is. We still don't cooperate enough. The world needs a governing body which can ensure the rights of all people are respected and granted. We do not have one yet, and not even a body that can really even influence local policy making much anyways.

If we could break up and redistribute the areas of power more equally to allow more efficient governing, we might stand a chance. As things are now, our population will become a problem. It will also bring a solution with time.
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Old February 23rd, 2014 (09:51 PM).
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Right now, it's only a big problem in certain areas of the world. Asia & Europe, especially, have always had space issues and populations too large for the infrastructure. Eventually, it hits a tipping point and either disease, war, or famine comes in and restores the balance. So I'd say that overpopulation is an immediate threat in countries like China, Japan, India, Bangladesh, the rest of southeastern Asia, etc. (That general are of the world, really). But know that there's a big difference between overcrowding and overpopulation.
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Old March 17th, 2014 (04:35 PM). Edited March 17th, 2014 by The Dark Avenger.
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Right now, it's only a big problem in certain areas of the world. Asia & Europe, especially, have always had space issues and populations too large for the infrastructure. Eventually, it hits a tipping point and either disease, war, or famine comes in and restores the balance. So I'd say that overpopulation is an immediate threat in countries like China, Japan, India, Bangladesh, the rest of southeastern Asia, etc. (That general are of the world, really). But know that there's a big difference between overcrowding and overpopulation.
And ESPECIALLY Africa. Seriously, we need to help millions of Africans by providing them with sex education and birth control. After all, a lot of them have 7-8 children on average and causing overcrowding.
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Old March 18th, 2014 (09:15 AM).
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I recommend you all to read a wonderful document on this issue by the UN that consists of a mere 240 pages: https://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/longrange2/WorldPop2300final.pdf
Here are a few points of interest:


The UN apparently thinks that the world population will stay at it's current high and stay at about 9 billion. As a counter-argument I have to say: Look at that freaking high-projection! It's huge!


This graph is really naive. To think that all territories will eventually become equal is the worst nonsense I have heard in a while. Also, you can't just say that the population growth has been at it's absolute high already. There are billions of people out there, and fertility rates of China and the west are not the entirety of the world. Additionally, fertility rates in the document show the same decline.

More graphs from the same document showing the same tendencies are available here:
http://imgur.com/a/5MPfe
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I do believe this is a threat, but where I live I've noticed that people are having far less children than back in the day.

For example, my grandpa lived in a family of 8. At most, I've seen families nowadays having 2 kids. But again, that doesn't apply everywhere, of course. xD

But I am wondering how we will handle running out of resources, if we do.
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Old March 19th, 2014 (07:02 AM).
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The population rate is scary dangerous.
We don't have a death rate like we used to so people are living longer.
Survival of the fittest would come into play but we have advanced medicine and technology.
We really just need to calm down on breeding IMO.
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can you spell "overreaction?"

accommodations will be made. the world has been growing more populated for, like, always, and as long as a billion people aren't spawned at the exact same time in the same area, there's not gonna be a problem.
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Old March 20th, 2014 (02:39 AM).
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Maybe its not an immediate threat, but i do think we have to start taking some kind of measures to prevent future generations having to deal with this problem. After all, its not just the housing that has to be increased, but food supplies and other commodities for example. We should start being more thoughtful on how we do things, to prevent future problems
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Old March 21st, 2014 (03:35 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Blu·Ray:
I recommend you all to read a wonderful document on this issue by the UN that consists of a mere 240 pages: https://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/longrange2/WorldPop2300final.pdf
Good gracious...One day, when I will make enough time to go through that entire document because overpopulation and the threat that it could present is something rather interesting. Mainly in relevance to the Earth's resources; becoming more environmentally conscious and friendly. By looking at the graph though, I'm relatively optimistic about the world population not increasing to the double digits, but they are simply estimations so probably taking it with a grain of salt would be optimal.

Quote originally posted by maccrash:
can you spell "overreaction?"

accommodations will be made. the world has been growing more populated for, like, always, and as long as a billion people aren't spawned at the exact same time in the same area, there's not gonna be a problem.
Accommodations for future generations can only go so far. Who knows, maybe technological advances will enable the world population to increase without expending too many resources. We can't predict the future and can only simply estimate the world population in the years to come.
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Old March 21st, 2014 (07:27 PM).
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I think Carl Sagan says it best:

(please excuse the very long quote, i do love it so tho...)

" “Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”

-From Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space

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Quote originally posted by maccrash:
can you spell "overreaction?"

accommodations will be made. the world has been growing more populated for, like, always, and as long as a billion people aren't spawned at the exact same time in the same area, there's not gonna be a problem.
Look at the first post again. You're right, the population has always been growing. What it has never done, until recently, is grow exponentially. And if the growth rate continues, unchecked, we will literally reach a point where a billion people are born every day.



Most of the points I would raise have been made already, the main one being that Westerners are so wasteful it's sickening. And the worst part is not that over-consumption is a defense mechanism to unhappiness that actually creates more unhappiness, the worst part is that the rest of the world wants to be just like us.

On the final disc of the documentary series Planet Earth, a frightening figure was given. How it was reached, I don't know, what I do know is that it's not very far-fetched. The narrator stated that if everyone on the planet used the amount of resources that the US uses, we'd need three Earths to sustain the population. This fits with my own observations of social behavior and cultural expectations in this country, and it also fits with another figure I read somewhere, Time magazine maybe? Not sure exactly where but there was a full page graphic illustrating that it takes something like ten times the amount of energy produced by a pound of grain to get that grain from seed to store shelf.

There are a lot of ways to cut down wastefulness, the simplest yet seemingly most difficult is to learn to enjoy what you've got instead of seeking more more more more more more. If you feel the same, I recommend reading "The Book (on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are) by Alan Watts", he illustrates not only the origin of our pleasure seeking, but also how that primary problem is creating many of the huge issues that we're dealing with in the modern age.

Luckily (?), we won't have to deal with overpopulation if we don't find an alternative to fossil fuel. Urban countries feed their populations by using vast quantities of fossil fuels to grow and transport food. Fossil fuel which will eventually (maybe soon) be gone forever. Which is what I consider to be a major flaw in thinking that urbanization solves overpopulation. With the current state of affairs, urbanization actually intensifies resource shortages and the chronic, self-perpetuating unhappiness which also consumes needless resources.
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