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Old May 8th, 2014 (11:49 PM).
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Were you raised without religion? Or did you choose to leave it? Would you be willing to share why, if yes?

Ooooohh no. I'm pretty much the only atheist in the family. An all Christian family. I started watching some videos on Youtube (because I was sketchy about religion), and became an agnostic, then further down the line, I just straight up became an atheist.
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I was born without religion, none of my immediate family ever preached any belief to me. Nor did I take any scripture classes or go to church, my conclusions about the world are purely my own. I see religious families as a forceful attempt to brainwash children who do not have critical thinking skills into believing their gibberish. No adult still believes in Santa Clause.

Imagine if you were completely detached from spirituality until you were of an age to think for yourself. I'm sure some people would come to the conclusion that there is a god but how many would choose to believe in nothing, given that's all that is relevant to their lives? Anyone who does decide to follow a spiritual path would certainly not base it upon a very sketchy book from 2000 years ago.

I think it's high time that religion died off.
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Were you raised without religion? Or did you chose to leave it? Would you be willing to share why, if yes?

My family was Catholic, and then my mom and brother turned Christian. At the age of 11 I decided that it was complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and good thing I did. I'm still the only atheist in my family, and I think it's a bit sad my 4 year old sister is being raised the "Christian way" but oh well. When I was smaller, my mom would make me go to church everyday. When I was 10, I did my first Communion, which sucked lol. My mom still makes me go to church every sunday, and Friday, I talked her out of going today. One time, a few months ago, I told my mom, who knows I'm an atheist that I did not want to go to church, and I went to the top bunk of my bunk bed, and sorta said that no matter what I won't go, and I ended up getting a shoe to the face :/

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Are you a person that is open to religious discussion, or are you the type that wishes they could be just left alone?
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Are you a person that is open to religious discussion, or are you the type that wishes they could be just left alone?

As a child born into faith, and having grown up to become an atheist, I just prefer to be left alone. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to get along with everyone, but... past experiences get me really frustrated and angry when someone tries to lecture me about not being religious.
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Worst argument for religion you ever heard?

One of two. Dumb, and... good gourd.

"If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

And I was randomly asked (by my own mother) how the first man and woman came to be. Yes.

You can't make this crap up.
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Joining/inviting myself!

I've been atheist since the longest time. Lately I've been pursuing Buddhism to gain greater insight into the world and my own life.

I'm not really a fan of atheist youtube because they don't seem to promote a compassionate attitude towards others. Mostly it's just bashing more fundamentalist, conservative aspects of religion. It's not very humble or introspective either - it's directed outwardly, about other people's beliefs rather than a personal understanding. That's just how I see it, anyways.

In general, I'm more so on PervertedPika's and Murkmire's side of things. I don't really give my atheism much "groupness" - in that I try not to make it a big deal, a cleavage between some people and others (there are only two kinds of people in the world...).

Worst argument for religion you ever heard?

How do we even define religion? Because Buddhism is commonly considered to be a religion, ever since I began practising it the issue of what is and isn't religion has become more thorny.

I would say the belief in miracles is a pretty poor argument. Miracles are supernatural, yet certain especially extraordinary instances of miracles should be believed because it's written in a holy book and that confirms the miracle worker to be the son of God? It doesn't hold much water, but belief in the resurrection is a core belief of Christianity.
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Hey, joining!

You know, I used to be a Christian. I totally believed in it too, thought there was a God and a Jesus and everything. But about when I hit puberty (bigggg time in my life) I got skeptical.

You see, I read a ton of books, get good grades, and basically consider myself pretty smart. I couldn't help but note the flaws in religious logic that I started noticing once I paid attention, and my lack of faith only grew from there. I stopped attending church entirely because it seemed pointless, and eventually realized I just wasn't a believer.

I get asked a lot by my Christian friends, "Where do atheists go when they die?"

My usual answer is, "The same place as everyone else."

You see, I don't like to be insulting, but I get insulted a lot by religion. It insults my intelligence, and tells me to just go along with it. That's why I'm an atheist, in a nutshell.
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Old May 20th, 2014 (10:50 PM).
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I've been atheist since the longest time. Lately I've been pursuing Buddhism to gain greater insight into the world and my own life.
Welcome! And you're in! Buddhism is an interesting belief system, and much of it is basic philosophy studies. It's one of my personal interests when it comes to research.

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Hey, joining!

You know, I used to be a Christian. I totally believed in it too, thought there was a God and a Jesus and everything. But about when I hit puberty (bigggg time in my life) I got skeptical.

You see, I read a ton of books, get good grades, and basically consider myself pretty smart. I couldn't help but note the flaws in religious logic that I started noticing once I paid attention, and my lack of faith only grew from there. I stopped attending church entirely because it seemed pointless, and eventually realized I just wasn't a believer.

I get asked a lot by my Christian friends, "Where do atheists go when they die?"

My usual answer is, "The same place as everyone else."

You see, I don't like to be insulting, but I get insulted a lot by religion. It insults my intelligence, and tells me to just go along with it. That's why I'm an atheist, in a nutshell.

Welcome to the club!

I hear you. Religion asks us to be its sheep, and in some cases that is quite the literal term.
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Ooohh, can I join?!

I think I'm actually more anti religion or anti theism than atheist, but I'm still exploring. I'm not really in a rush to categorize myself either way....
I usually just answer "ATHEIST." with a straight face because it shuts people up pretty quick. Honestly, I usually avoid most atheist groups, because they're frequently made up of white male ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s. I would love if there was a safe space for secularists of color.

To answer the previous questions, my family is Catholic, and we were all raised as such. But I've thought it was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ since hmm... Around sixth grade? Basically, I thought it was all rather silly and pointless. A waste of time.
Like, if you really think about it, you start noticing things that aren't quite right. That, and I have issues with authority, so being told I had to obey this great, invisible deity just didn't sit well with me. I still go to church and ♥♥♥♥, but I'm in college, and I need my parents to help pay tuition. They'd rather lie to myself than think/accept that I don't consider myself Catholic.

But I usually prefer to not discuss religion with religious people because it gets real ugly real fast. My friend and I are super insensitive about religion, so we just avoid it around religious friends. Truthfully, I think most such discussions are unproductive. They go around in circles, and everyone's unhappy by the end of it.

Yep, that was long....
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I don't like to put myself in a category when it comes to a lot of things especially religion. If I were to, I'd say I'm more of an agnostic-atheist with a mixture of humanism somewhere in the mix.
The god idea in my opinion is more multi-dimensional and sometimes hard for me to explain.

Though this is a topic I find myself avoiding nowadays (I've had many many discussions, arguments, and whatnot with pea-brains in the past) - I would be more than happy to add any sort of contribution to this thread. Many of the members here are really young and would be nice to potentially answer some of their questions.
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Old May 22nd, 2014 (08:10 PM).
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Ooohh, can I join?!
Of course you can!

Though, I will admit, a few things you've said concern me.

Quote originally posted by kokoromaix:
Honestly, I usually avoid most atheist groups, because they're frequently made up of white male ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s. I would love if there was a safe space for secularists of color.
I have... no idea where you got this from. I've never heard this from anywhere else... ever.

Actually, from most research I've seen, by population alone...

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I would be more than happy to add any sort of contribution to this thread. Many of the members here are really young and would be nice to potentially answer some of their questions.
Welcome then. Shall I add you to the list... and also...

"Many of the members here are really young"

Oi, watch it, old fart here.
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I have... no idea where you got this from. I've never heard this from anywhere else... ever.

Actually, from most research I've seen, by population alone...
In my experience (and this is limited to the US, so my commentary is focused on that), I have witnessed/encountered hostility from other atheist/agnostic people, who usually happen to be white males. I have seen this on social media (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) and on other sites (news sites, blogs). (I have entirely avoided these groups in real life.) These experiences aren't isolated incidents either; I have met other people of color who were atheist also express discomfort in the secular community at large - in real life and online. The loudest voices in the secular community have said and done a lot of problematic things. It becomes increasingly difficult if you are a woman, if you are queer, and/or if you are non-white to find/create a safe space in that said community, thus my wariness. Hope that helps you understand what I was referring to.
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In my experience (and this is limited to the US, so my commentary is focused on that), I have witnessed/encountered hostility from other atheist/agnostic people, who usually happen to be white males. I have seen this on social media (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) and on other sites (news sites, blogs). (I have entirely avoided these groups in real life.) These experiences aren't isolated incidents either; I have met other people of color who were atheist also express discomfort in the secular community at large - in real life and online. The loudest voices in the secular community have said and done a lot of problematic things. It becomes increasingly difficult if you are a woman, if you are queer, and/or if you are non-white to find/create a safe space in that said community, thus my wariness. Hope that helps you understand what I was referring to.
This is something called generalization, and it's this attitude that leads to the treatment of many people, in manners that would be best left unsaid.

This is your first strike. Two more and you will be removed from the club and your posts reported.

I will not tolerate the language you have used so far, and it has been an issue brought to me by other members of the club. All I see is blatant racism.

Atheism has nothing to do with race, sexual orientation or anything of the like.

Hell, I break your little stereotypes listed being a lesbian atheist. I'm sorry if you've had bad experiences in the past, but that does not give you any excuse to barge in here throwing stereotypes and generalizations everywhere like party favors.

You do not know us, and, so far? I see none of this generalization happening here, nor will I tolerate it being introduced in the group. We have been conversing politely thus far, even with the occasional believer. You want a 'safe zone', then consider this one.

Atheism comes in all shapes and colors and nationalities.
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I suppose I will join this club.

I am an atheist and have been one ever since I was 11 years old. Before that, I was too young to have a religion of my own. Whilst I don't completely discount the existence of a God, I think it is highly unlikely and don't believe it myself. The topic of religion is one I avoid because when people start talking about it, it makes me feel very uncomfortable rather like the feeling that somebody is trying to draw me into some sort of strange creepy cult. It's just my emotional response though. I do not ever mean to disrespect others, and will tolerate your religion as long as you never mention it in an uncomfortable context and don't try to force it upon me. Even if I do think that religion is a pointless relic from times where things were less understood. People can still think whatever they want to think. If it brings them comfort and happiness, then who am I to judge?

But how did I come to not believe in a world where I was surrounded by it? First off, my parents were never really all that strongly religious. They just are because it's sort of a common "everyone" thing in many parts of this place still. Whilst I was made to go to church when I was younger, eventually my parents stopped going all together for reasons unknown to me. As a child, I was too young to understand it. And as I grew up, I realized I just didn't care for it at all in the same way I saw a few others doing so. It made no sense to me when I thought of it (and realized that I don't believe in the concepts of good and evil and think that it is based on perspective, so Christianity specifically wouldn't even fit into that), so I disregarded it as a thing.

Then for the rest of my life, I didn't ever think of it much again unless somebody brought it up. If somebody tries to bring it up, I'll tell the truth. And if they try to argue with me, I ignore them because it's pointless and I don't care enough to waste my time in things that will go nowhere.
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I was very much raised with religion, as I've said before. In my joining post, I mentioned becoming a skeptic, but I'm willing to elaborate.

You see, I have heard that many people lose faith when something bad happens to them or their families. This is what happened to me, although I didn't realize it until later. The event that started what would eventually be my loss of faith was my parents getting divorced.

At the time, I was young and believed in God, but it didn't seem fair that he'd let such a thing happen. I thought about it a lot, and eventually began to doubt his very existence while distancing myself from religion.

I think the moment when I was truly an atheist and no longer a member of the church, however, was when I chose not to get confirmed. It was my decision to make and I was very proud of myself afterwards. I don't like to lie to myself, and I think being an atheist is one of the best ways to be totally honest with oneself.
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Welcome to the Atheist Alliance, Arylett. Good to see you.
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Worst argument for religion you ever heard?

"Because the Bible says so" when debating with non-Christians. Don't get me wrong -- I'm Christian myself, and I deeply love my faith and all my fellow Christians, but I just hate it when Christians give a bad image of Christianity.

I guess that's why I sometimes even enjoy satirical videos on Christianity like those made by EdwardCurrent. I sometimes wonder if I'm going to hell for that.
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I would like to join this club, as I am an atheist as well. Been one since... a long time ago. I dunno, somewhere around 6 or 7 years old or something.

The reason being? I was raised in a heavily Mormon environment, and for the first 10 or so years of my life I had the bible, and other Mormon bible book things, forced onto me. While at first I believed the stuff, it didn't take me long before I realized how ridiculous the bible actually was. I honestly don't understand how anyone can read that thing and take it seriously. I have a hard time believing some omnipotent guy creating everything, or the ideas of heaven and hell and all that.

I certainly don't have anything against religious people, though. It's kinda hard to avoid being religious when it's been around for so long anyways. Religion isn't really a bad thing anyways. Though I will admit, I'd prefer a world without it.

Worst argument for religion you ever heard?

The whole banana as proofs of gods existence, cause apparently only a god could design such a perfect fruit for human consumption. Here's a video for kicks and giggles.
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I would like to join this club, as I am an atheist as well. Been one since... a long time ago. I dunno, somewhere around 6 or 7 years old or something.
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If one religion in the world, one, was real, which one would you hope it to be?
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Hiya! I haven't posted much on PC and never lurk in the FC&G section but I did join this club so I may as well follow it.

Are you a person that is open to religious discussion, or are you the type that wishes they could be just left alone?

Hmmm, good question. I would be interested in discussion with a moderate priest or but not those that simply follow a religion or volunteers that choose to preach, those groups tend to be simply brainwashed in my experience. I would ask a priest why he chose to believe in a particular religion and whether he considers gospel to be truth and what evidence he could present as to why that might be so. I'd also ask what he thinks of those that do not believe and why he does not spread positive messages without it being the work of god. I'd like to ask a proper religious figure because I'd assume their extensive religious training is based more on philosophy than what amateur religious people say, which is "believe this because it is FACT."

Worst argument for religion you ever heard?

Aren't they all terrible? Whilst I can't say it's impossible that an omniscient force created the universe our stories (religions) that attempt to explain this are generally ludicrous with no evidence whatsoever. I'll agree with "because the doctrine says so it must be true" as the worst form of argument. It completely discourages critical thinking skills.

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The whole banana as proofs of gods existence, cause apparently only a god could design such a perfect fruit for human consumption. Here's a video for kicks and giggles.
Oh god that's terrible, grand design is such an obnoxious theory, assuming that everything revolves around humanity. We may be the only known sentient species but that doesn't mean that we are the centre of the universe. Plus, wild bananas do not look nearly so appealing: http://imgur.com/G0RXtsc

Assume that religious concepts are true for a second, divine power, heaven and hell etc. If we are so bloody intelligent we should be able to choose for ourselves what we want to do with our lives rather than dedicating them in fear to some deity that will curse us otherwise. I will live how I want then face the consequences afterwards (if there are any, which I doubt). For me it's pretty clear that regardless of whether a spiritual force exists within the universe it has no effect on this planet, given the terrible things that occur in opposition to the doctrine of god.

If I was to follow a faith I would be a Pastafarian, just to mock how ridiculous religion actually is. Plus, spaghetti is delicious, much better than the red wine and bread of Jesus, lol.

Oh gawd this is an awesome religion: http://apl.org.au/

Edit: After doing some research on the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster I would be hesitant to identify as one because they appear too tolerant to me. Rather than preaching tolerance of everyone if something is stupid I want to say it is stupid and religion seems pretty stupid to me. The satire is absolutely hilarious though.
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Worst argument for religion you ever heard?

It has to be "But the Bible/*insertanythingreligious* says so!". If someone pulls that ♥♥♥♥ on me, chances are I'll stop having a debate with them, because it would be a huge waste of time. They'd buy anything their 2000y/o book says, completely ignoring facts, science, and all that ''nonsense''.

If one religion in the world, one, was real, which one would you hope it to be?

Buddhism, probably. It just seems like the religion with the least BS going on.
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