Computer/OS Talk

[Shining Arcanine]

Macintosh computers have had the same classic user interface for years and have never done anything to increase ease of use. Each release was the same boring user interface while MS made Windows easier and easier and easier to use with each release.

Laptops have had the ability to slow down or even turn off their fans for years, it is nothing new:

http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd...ioncooling.htm

That is a feature on my desktop. It doesn't make much of a difference other than slightly cut down on noise. A new PC Fan, Heatsink and PSU I will be installing later this month will cut down on noise more than software will.

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

Apple started making other hardware for the Macintosh (and then eventually for the PC). Steve Jobs returned in 1998, and bumped one project to be Mac OS X. THey thought the Mac OS was old. The interface hadn't changed, until 1996, when Mac OS 8 made an appearance with a nice platinum interface. Mac OS 8.5 (1998) introduced a really nice noisy feature called Theme Sounds. When you click an object, drag something, click a button, or anything else, it would make a cool little sound. There are dozens of Soundsets all over the internet, and still are for Mac OS 8.5 - Mac OS 9.2.2.

Mac OS 9 was introduced in late 1999, and featured many new enhancements, including File Security, Multiple users, Internet Searches with Sherlock 2 and more.
The Multiple Users function was always much more powerful than it was on a Windows Computer, and still currently supercedes it.

Mac OS X (2000) was a big shocker to many Mac users. Because it had a major overhaul. In fact, it was not based off the old Mac OS by one but, but UNIX.

A feature that came in Panther now, called Exposé, is a very good feature in the OS. It saves time. Using F9, F10 and F11 keys, you can hide the windows on your desktop, move all windows covering your desktop, and show another application's windows. Then there was home folder security. Your "home" folder is encrypted with AES-128. And then there's secure delete. You can empty the Trash with 7 passes of random data. People argue that Panther's Fast User Switching was copied from Windows. While that may be correct, it is indeed fast. Mac OS X Panther also reintroduces some old features in Mac OS 9, including Scheduled Startup Time and Shutdown Time. Let's say Longhorn has a long road to catch up on, because there is going to be something after Panther in 2004. That will supercede Windows yet again. Panther requires a Mac that has a G3 processor or later, and costs $129 US.

-Vito Winstrate

[Shining Arcanine]

Pretty much all of the features you mentioned are in windows. Many features are copied from Windows. Windows copies a few too but far less than Macintosh does. Macintosh still boasts the classic document centric interface that it has had for years. Version 10.3 still boasts it (although it did copy the category view) while Windows has become more and more task centric since with Windows 95. Longhorn won't be doing catching up, it will be giving Apple more work to do in order to catch up.

[Haruka]

Well, I don't think a Apple comes with a Web Server, eh? ... I can't get it working though... *.*

Well, Apple has way too much eye candy... Should we looking at proformance, not eye candy?

[Shining Arcanine]

Windows XP Professional comes with a server. I am running it on my home network.

[Haruka]

D'oh! It's hard to configure though... 0.0.. I cant get ftp working, but who cares... It's local..

;

[Shining Arcanine]

I got it running, I didn't bother with FTP but I am sure that is easy too. Did you install FTP?

[Haruka]

I installed FTP but I can't upload anything... though... ..

Why I waste that diskspace.

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

Apple's XServe was in the market, and it got a high scorer in the customer review.

Mac OS X 10.3 won Operating System of the year. They swapped the Eye Candy on it for performance.

[Shining Arcanine]

Haruka, did you install the IIS Snap-in and go to computer Management? ;;

Vito Winstrate, exactly which site/magazine awarded Macintosh the OS of the year award? Macintosh fan magazine?

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

Nope. Quite frankly, it was Australian Personal Computer Magazine.

[Haruka]

Originally Posted by Shining Arcanine

Haruka, did you install the IIS Snap-in and go to computer Management? ;;

Vito Winstrate, exactly which site/magazine awarded Macintosh the OS of the year award? Macintosh fan magazine?

Yep... It's already installed on the computer.

[punkie90]

I've got a computer question. What speed of internetis faster? 1.2 mb or 258k!???

[Shining Arcanine]

Originally Posted by Vito Winstrate

Nope. Quite frankly, it was Australian Personal Computer Magazine.

Then they are biased. Btw, we can talk about ratings all we want. For example, PCMagizine rated Windows XP Home the best operating system.

Haruka, then you misconfigured something. I have never played with IIS + FTP so I wouldn't know what that would be.

punkie90, a 1.2Mbit/sec connection is faster than a 256KBit/sec connection.

[Haruka]

Haruka, then you misconfigured something. I have never played with IIS + FTP so I wouldn't know what that would be.

I have to fix that problem later when I have time.

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

Originally Posted by Shining Arcanine

Then they are biased. Btw, we can talk about ratings all we want. For example, PCMagizine rated Windows XP Home the best operating system.

Haruka, then you misconfigured something. I have never played with IIS + FTP so I wouldn't know what that would be.

punkie90, a 1.2Mbit/sec connection is faster than a 256KBit/sec connection.

Actually they aren't biased on the Mac OS. They mainly use PCs, mind you. And Panther got Editor's Choice and if you want to know why they said that Panther got their OS of the year?

They said Windows XP, which was supposed to be stable, had a lot of viruses and hacking holes that Mac OS X would otherwise be unaffected by. It is based on UNIX, after all.

Does Windows have Spring loaded windows? No.
Is Windows based off the UNIX core which makes it very stable? No.
Switching users with a menu? No.
Exposé? No.

They've been freely adding compatibility features to Mac OS X, and did Microsoft pay them back? Not without turning on Windows File Sharing.

Anyway, off that topic.

I want an iPod. Kairi, what model have you got?

[Shingo`]

20GB iPod I got. Its buttons are quite annoying to use without some kind of case or cover on it.

[Kairi]

Originally Posted by Vito Winstrate

Actually they aren't biased on the Mac OS. They mainly use PCs, mind you. And Panther got Editor's Choice and if you want to know why they said that Panther got their OS of the year?

They said Windows XP, which was supposed to be stable, had a lot of viruses and hacking holes that Mac OS X would otherwise be unaffected by. It is based on UNIX, after all.

Does Windows have Spring loaded windows? No.
Is Windows based off the UNIX core which makes it very stable? No.
Switching users with a menu? No.
Exposé? No.

They've been freely adding compatibility features to Mac OS X, and did Microsoft pay them back? Not without turning on Windows File Sharing.

Anyway, off that topic.

I want an iPod. Kairi, what model have you got?

The latest one with the dock, 10 GB. I don't have 10+ GB of music by far. o_o; It certainly is nice though. I keep it plugged into the firewire port in the back of my PC. First Firewire device I've ever used actually.

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

As soon as I actually get one it might be the first device I use with the FireWire port on the G4.

[punkie90]

Should i get.. Adelphia dssl, or bellsouth fats accaes, or belll south fast access lite?

[Haruka]

Originally Posted by Vito Winstrate

Actually they aren't biased on the Mac OS. They mainly use PCs, mind you. And Panther got Editor's Choice and if you want to know why they said that Panther got their OS of the year?

They said Windows XP, which was supposed to be stable, had a lot of viruses and hacking holes that Mac OS X would otherwise be unaffected by. It is based on UNIX, after all.

Does Windows have Spring loaded windows? No.
Is Windows based off the UNIX core which makes it very stable? No.
Switching users with a menu? No.
Exposé? No.

They've been freely adding compatibility features to Mac OS X, and did Microsoft pay them back? Not without turning on Windows File Sharing.

Anyway, off that topic.

I want an iPod. Kairi, what model have you got?

Well, ether way, you can get viruses without a virus scan..

I don't have a iPod and I am not planing to get one. It's a price as a Pocket PC and... you can only play music?

[Shining Arcanine]

Originally Posted by Vito Winstrate

Actually they aren't biased on the Mac OS. They mainly use PCs, mind you. And Panther got Editor's Choice and if you want to know why they said that Panther got their OS of the year?

They said Windows XP, which was supposed to be stable, had a lot of viruses and hacking holes that Mac OS X would otherwise be unaffected by. It is based on UNIX, after all.

Does Windows have Spring loaded windows? No.
Is Windows based off the UNIX core which makes it very stable? No.
Switching users with a menu? No.
Exposé? No.

They've been freely adding compatibility features to Mac OS X, and did Microsoft pay them back? Not without turning on Windows File Sharing.

Anyway, off that topic.

I want an iPod. Kairi, what model have you got?

Stability and Security are two different things. The reason there are viruses on Windows XP are for 2 reasons. Users are ignorant and virus writers specifically target it since they consider it worth their time. People's ignorance is not a reason to use a different platform that does that same thing just slower. Why? Because it makes it worth the effort virus writers put into writing viruses for that platform. Do you know that it took 6 years for virus writers to target Windows NT? Why? Because after 6 years they considered it worth their time. If virus writers considered it worth their time, Apple would be under fire for security all of the time. Btw, since you can't tell the difference between stability and security, I will spell it out for you. When a computer is stable, it does not crash often. When a comptuer is secure, it doesn't get hacked often.

Do you know that Unix is a dead operating system? Unix was written in the 80s. It did not have a GUI, all it did was have commandline that you typed extremely complex strings into. Companies that are still running Unix are replacing them either Linux or Windows computers. With Mac OS X Apple brought a license from SCO (if it didn't they would be bring sued around now), slapped on a GUI, and then made a ton of modifications to add features. Nothing revolutionary there.

By the way, since Mac OS X is based on Unix I figure it has the same security holes. E.g. Unix Raw Sockets that allow people to send packets from a computer that look like another computer sent them.

[punkie90]

WOW^ . Well ALl I have to say, Is that I might be getting a computer in my room, And I might get a betwork, so both ca be online. How much a month that costss extra!?

[Shining Arcanine]

You just buy the router, cables, and lan cards if you need to. You don't pay extra a month...

[punkie90]

Oh really, Hoiw much would the router cables etc costs?