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Old October 14th, 2006 (04:55 PM).
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Someone said that Mewtwo is evil because he tried to wipe out humanity in the First Movie, tried to blow up the Pokemon Stadium, and caused Unnatural stuff in Mystery Dungeon, as well as being with Giga Bowser and Ganondorf in event 51 of SSBM. He also says that he is a final boss and all final bosses are evil (And I thought "by that logic, then Sonic is evil since he is the final boss of dark story, pure evil story, evil ending, slightly evil, evil ending, and pure hero, evil ending in SA2B and ShTH respectfully.").

But I sincerely doubt that Mewtwo is evil. Since
A. the SSBM game is not canon,
B. Jesse's Ekans and James's Koffing (not to mention the Official Pokemon Handbook by Maria S. Barbo.) explicitly said that there is no such thing as an evil Pokemon with the exception of Team Rockets Meowth, and even then that is only one out of several hundred Meowths out of 493 species of Pokemon.
C. the Canonicity of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is debatable,
D. I am pretty sure that Mewtwo saw you worthy to fight him and allowed you to fight him, not to blow up the Stadium.
E. And the only reason he wanted to destroy the Humans is because his experiences with humans were downright terrible, leading him to believe that all Humans were evil thanks to those jerk scientists who created him and the entirety of the Team Rocket Army/Empire. And in the original (From what I heard) he is conflicted on whether he was born by god or by man, and also spiritually conflicted and not a power hungry megalomaniac that 4kids made him out to be.

Also, this someone thinks that Mewtwo doesn't count as a Pokemon since he is a deformed clone of Mew (no offense), but I think he is a Pokemon since the Pokedex says so (at least in the Games and the Official Handbook.). Also, since when has he appeared in Pokemon Chronicles (And no, I don't count "Mewtwo Returns as part of Chronicles since that episode was made/came out long before Pokemon Chronicles was even shipped to the States. Let alone made. I also don't count Mastermind of Mirage Pokemon as part of Chronicles since that special's dubbing rights are owned by PUSA, not 4kids since even as we speak they are possibly still dubbing Pokemon Chronicles.). Also, I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum, but since my thread has to do with both the Games (both related and unrelated) and the Anime I thought this was the perfect place to put it.
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Old October 15th, 2006 (07:38 AM).
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No, he's more of an anti-hero, he really gave the message that he was a good guy at the end of Mewtwo returns, but it is debatable of the fact that he is a real good guy...
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Old October 15th, 2006 (08:28 AM).
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He's not really good, or evil. He just kind of does whatever he wants. Going by DnD standards, I would call him "Chaotic Neutral." XD
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Old October 20th, 2006 (03:27 PM).
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Ok, thanks guys on your responses. I thought that Mewtwo can't be evil, but, at least he isn't evil. Sure he may not be exactly good, but at least he isn't evil. Oh and by the way, a new member on this website is coming to this topic. His name is CERBY9 and he is the same guy who told me that Mewtwo is evil and all that. Oh and sorry if I necroposted.
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Old October 20th, 2006 (04:15 PM).
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mewtwo is most likely like any evil character: evil people don't know they're doing bad things, they think they're doing what's right... that or he's out for revenge
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Old October 20th, 2006 (06:46 PM).
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I don't think Mewtwo's evil.. I'm basing this from the movie.. I think he's really just cloning Pokemon because he thought he was trying to salvage them from trainers (and he thinks that all trainers are evil).. Either ways, I think he has a kind intention.. Moreover, looking at Mewtwo Returns (the second movie), I think he's nice =)
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Old October 22nd, 2006 (07:57 AM).
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yea that's what i mean miyo, mewtwo has these supposedly good intentions but no-one else sees it as such and so on so forth, etc...
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Old October 24th, 2006 (05:48 AM).
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yup.. well, I suppose it's common people see the bad points of others more than they do to the good points.. =/
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He helped Red fight against Giovanni & Deoxys in Pokemon special so he can't be that bad. I think he's more of an anti-hero than anything else
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Old October 28th, 2006 (05:57 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Gama85:
He helped Red fight against Giovanni & Deoxys in Pokemon special so he can't be that bad. I think he's more of an anti-hero than anything else
I think you're referring to Ash?
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Ash and Red are one in the same.

But yeah, he is more of an Anti-hero
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Old October 28th, 2006 (07:46 PM).
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No Ash and Red are two completely different characters even if they look the same and it was Red that Gama85 was talking about, not Ash


On topic: Mewtwo is just confused like Sephiroth from FFVII
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Old October 28th, 2006 (11:46 PM).
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I always thought Ash and Red were the same person.. I thought they were only different because Red is from the game, and Ash is from the show.. o.o
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Old October 29th, 2006 (04:33 AM).
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Thats what I thought, don't they even have the same exact Pokemon and everything?
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I'd count them the same in role but not in corpus.

To me Mewtwo is not necessarily a villain, but more of the tragic hero such as Brutus in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. For one thing, he wanted to insure what he thought was best for Pokémon by exterminating the human race, and if he thought humans were beneficial he wouldn't have laid a finger on them. As such, once he realised that only Team Rocket were evil as to instil in him that belief, he went after them and was damaged in the end.
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Old October 29th, 2006 (05:12 AM).
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There is no doubt that Mewtwo is noble and meant best for all Pokemon.. his intentions were good to begin with..
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He didn't cause any "unnatural stuff" in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon...

Going back to the topic-- I think he's neither evil nor good. He's done evil things as well as good things so I'm in between.
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Old October 29th, 2006 (07:51 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Alex_:
He didn't cause any "unnatural stuff" in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon...

Going back to the topic-- I think he's neither evil nor good. He's done evil things as well as good things so I'm in between.
I don't think he's evil at all!! What are the evil things has he done? If you were referring to Movie one where he captured the Pokemon and cloned them, he was really trying to salvage Pokemon from human trainers, thinking that all human trainers are evil.. He really just meant the good of the POkemon.. xD
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He seems to be an 'anti-hero' as everyone suggests. Something like Sabata from Boktai: The Sun is Yours, and the series that goes on with that. He also only wanted to fight people and all that in the Jap. version of the Movie.

The English are very strange: They add something that wasn't meant to be there in the first place.

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Old October 29th, 2006 (08:19 PM).
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Old November 1st, 2006 (08:54 PM). Edited November 1st, 2006 by Charaxes.
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I usually avoid taking this road given the mixed behavior of Mewtwo (including my own for personal reasons). I'll use the Japanese animated since it was the anime that first imbued Myuutsu with a personality.

Anti-hero is the main convention and with Myuutsu's later reactions, I'll concede that, but I want to focus on his origin here. Don't forget, he had trust in humans originally (Birth of Myuutsu short/CD Drama) with Ai-Two, but he couldn't grapple with the concept of death as she "disappeared". Plus the seditives, which the scientists said it would cause brain damage. Then, as he laid dormant, far as we know, they never repaired the brain damage.

Of course, the easist solution is giving Tsu a lobotomy as we see in other clone media to control. However, we can't here as we're in a kids' show, despite the envelope being pushed as is. Now the point: remember Tsu's initial reaction when he discovered man created him instead of God -- he rampaged and actively killed the scientists. That is the one scene I carried from that movie, because of the perfunctory carnage (really rare for a kids' cartoon on both shores) and Two, from what is translated and stated, chose to attack the scientists.

Granted, we could blame the brain damage for his overreaction and we should, but the fact the anime never again refers to his reaction to the seditives or Ai-Two could be a tell that we shouldn't, either. It's possible we should simply rationalize him, just as he rationalized his reason for murdering the scientists: the ends justifying the means. Just as he justified the destruction, he justified briefly allying himself with Sakaki, and then justifed removing humanity despite the fact he had a good start with Ai-two.

Then, we really get into nature vs. nurture and that's another topic for another day.

Of course, then, we're treated with his monologues and the opportunity to see where he is coming from (which I'm negative on and I won't go there at the moment) and try to appreciate him like all anti-heroes despite their prior bad acts a la comic books -- Venom, Sabretooth, Mystique, just to name a few.

While Special's take is similiar, but they went a different route substituting Katsuya for Sakaki for the human connection and thus a deeper meaning to the creator/creation relationship. Granted, their Myuutsu didn't have the impact/personality than his anime version did, however, he wasn't as trumped up and had a subtle way to get the message across -- such as a brief glimpse of the canon lab destruction, the detachment to the Rocket-Dan organization, and his obeying Katsuya despite his own issues.

And quite a lot of depth for a game sprite, I know. Collapses.
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Quote originally posted by Blastoise:
He's not really good, or evil. He just kind of does whatever he wants. Going by DnD standards, I would call him "Chaotic Neutral." XD
MewTwo from Pokemon is like Laharl from Disgaea. They both have evil tendencies putting them on the 'Chaotic-Neutral' alignment. However, they also have kind sides to them. Both of them have something they care about, and thus they aren't completely evil.

But if you really want to put D&D references into the equation, MewTwo is Drizzt.
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Nope, I don't think Mewtwo is evil...He's nice enough in his sequal movie.
In the games, he's just some wild Pokemon, so I don't think he's evil in those either...
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