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January 7th, 2010, 3:52 PM
I just started a new fanfic and I was in a hurry to finish Chapter 1 because I had to go somewhere, same with the Prolouge. I came back to it the next day (today) 20 minutes ago.
What I found was not what I expected. A locked thread. Confused, I checked my post. I scrolled down and saw a big amount of posts. I was happy about this until I saw the latest post. The post was from a mod named Astinus. Astinus said that this Chapter was too short and the Prolouge was, too. And that this post violated a rule because it was too short.
Is this really a rule? And if it is, why? I think it's kind of an unfair rule. It's not innapropriate or mean to have short chapters. Why's it a rule?

January 7th, 2010, 3:55 PM
Why is it a rule? That's something you should ask Astinus, not the rest of the forum. The forum's writers may also answer this for you, however I do not frequent the fanfic section at all, so I wouldn't know.

It does make sense however, that if something is too short, it does deserve closure. I mean, it could hardly(if at all) be called a fanfic if it's like a paragraph or two long.

My advice to you would be to stop complaining about the rules and Astinus. She's only doing her job. Just lay off and take her advice, it's not that hard. At all.

January 7th, 2010, 4:00 PM
It'd probably take me five minutes to write that much, that's why it was closed.

Miz en Scène
January 7th, 2010, 4:01 PM
I happen to be a regular of the fan fiction section, and I did review your fic.

Astinus is just doing her job, and really you shouldn't pick on her for that.

The fact that you ask whether or not this actually is a rule means that you did not bother to read the forum rules that she so kindly prepared. And yes, the 'standards not met' rule is actually a rule. If not, we'd have spam-fics everywhere...

I'm not saying yours is a spam-fic, I'm just saying that it wasn't really planned and executed properly.

Rolling Pichu
January 7th, 2010, 4:37 PM
It'd probably take me five minutes to write that much, that's why it was closed.

No, that's not why. If it is Astinus' policy to close technically bad fanfics, so be it; but restrictions on length are very ambiguous.

I saw the thread, and my opinion is that the mod merely didn't word her reason properly.

In a nutshell, yes, it's too short--but the real problem is not the length itself, it's the lack of narrative on the situation of the character, a bit of it to background the situation he is initially in, description of characters, maybe setting a time and place before rushing to the dialogue, and proper formatting, etc.

Saying a fan-fic is "on the short side" without pointing out greater issues like those would probably encourage the writer to continue their work for the length itself only, without addressing what makes it an actual story and thereby taking the risk of not meeting the forum standards again.

Elite Four Lucian
January 7th, 2010, 4:45 PM
This topic is.. in a nice way, kind of pointless, you shouldn't be asking others, you need to take it up with the mod that did it so she can address it properly.

January 7th, 2010, 6:49 PM
This topic is.. in a nice way, kind of pointless, you shouldn't be asking others, you need to take it up with the mod that did it so she can address it properly.When they created the thread they were bringing up the validity of the rule, which is in no way pointless as they were expressing their opinion.

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January 8th, 2010, 8:17 PM
Thanks for answering. I'll repost it with some longer chapters.

Bay Alexison
January 9th, 2010, 3:32 PM
Thanks for answering. I'll repost it with some longer chapters.
Real quick advice: don't just make the story longer. Instead, have time to describe the setting, emotions, the situation at hand, etc. in your narrative, like Rolling Pichu mentioned. Also, take the time to plan out your story. You don't have to plan out everything, but just get an idea of where you want the direction of the story to go.

January 9th, 2010, 4:08 PM
You could have just PM'd me to let me know that you have a question with anything in my section. I really don't check every section these days, so I never would have noticed this thread unless Bay never recently posted in it just at the time I decided to check the forums.

My saying that your fic is "too short" is simply a quicker way for me to say that there needs to be more everything in your fic. I didn't say that you need more narration/description/proper grammar/what have you since you've had reviewers already do that for you.

No, length is not the issue. But I figured that since I hang with a crowd who knows that length does not equal quality, that there are short fics that are good, I guess I just simply forgot in my rush that not everyone is as experienced as the people I typically deal with.

But then again, your fic could be considered on the short side, since there was a lot of things you could have added to meet the standards of the section. Like proper grammar for starters. And even if you had just properly spaced your paragraphs instead of sticking multiple paragraphs into one, then your fic wouldn't have been closed for lack of quality and lack of length.

I don't close short fics just because they're short. Length rules are simply stupid, since they limit creativity. There are proper story formats where the writer only has 100 words to tell a story. That's a particular format that your chapter and prologue does not fit into, however. There was a lot more that could have been said in each one to set the scene and entice the reader to continue on. I read over carefully each fic/post in the thread before I decide on any action for the thread to uphold the rules that I wrote. If your fic did meet the quality standards, then it wouldn't have been closed even if it was only 138 words.

And those short stories in that format that I mentioned (they're known as drabbles) do take time to write. I know authors who write drabbles that take them weeks to get the appropriate 100 words. And it shows. But reading over your thread, I didn't see a lot of effort put into it (that, I stress, I could see), and it looked like you quickly wrote your chapter and prologue into the post box and considered it done. I mean, you didn't really even have much of an idea which point of view you wanted to write in, and used an author's note in the middle of the narration (which you should Never Do) to explain the random point of view switch. (And it was kind of a "meh" explanation.) And your prologue and chapter could have been combined, because your prologue doesn't fit the definition of what a prologue is. (It is typically a scene that takes place before the main storyline to set up the plot and entice the reader.) Yours takes place at the exact same time at the exact same place with the exact same characters doing the exact same thing that they do in the chapter. The prologue doesn't add much to the story and isn't necessary, something that could have been picked up if you took the time to read over your story before you posted it.

There's just a lot missing in your story that I simply did not have the time to go over. When I do review, I try to be a thorough as I can. Moderating threads happens more often than the chances I have to sit down and actually review, so I tend to be quick when I do close a thread.

The next time that you do have a question, I would appreciate it if you actually asked me in a one-on-one PM. Not only so that you can get the answer quickly from the person that you do need the answer from and so that I can actually see the question, but also because I do not appreciate bad-mouthing of my actions behind my back. At least confront me about it, and I'd be willing to help you. Otherwise, as I said, you never would have gotten an answer if someone that I know hadn't posted just as I signed on. And that's not something that happens often.

Too long; didn't read:

It'd probably take me five minutes to write that much, that's why it was closed.

And that took all my time for the forums for now. Yay.