View Full Version : [Gen V] 5 Gen team, adivce needed ^_^

August 18th, 2011, 10:14 AM
Hey I've just started battling competitively and created my first team. But I'm rather new to building competitive teams so i could use some help ^_^

I have a wide selection of pokemon available. To view the pokemon i have check out my Trade Thread (Links in my Sig)

here is my current OU team:

Lv.100 Landorus @Choice Scarf
Naive|Sand Force
Earthquake, Stone Edge, U-Turn, Hidden Power (Ice|70)
EVs: 252 Atk, 6 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd

Landorus is my scout, it can hit hard with both physical
and special moves and if meets a daunting opponent he can switch out to Dusklops or Cresselia with U-Turn.

Lv.100 Cresselia @Leftovers
Calm Mind, Moonlight, Ice Beam, Hidden Power (Fire|70)
EVs: 252 HP, 218 Def, 40 Sp.Atk

From testing on PO Cresselia can easily get 6x Calm Mind and seriously hurt the opponent

Lv.100 Weavile @Life Orb
Ice Shard, Night Slash, Ice Punch, Low Kick
EVs: 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd

Weavile is very quick and powerful with two quite STAB moves and a STAB
priority move he can do serious damage to foes, Low Kick gets the last spot because of it being able to OHKO Heatran and the like.

Lv.100 Dusklops @Eviolite
Taunt, Night Shade, Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split
EVs: 252 HP, 80 Def, 178 Sp.Def

Dusklops is used for spreading Status problems and for
reliable backup when switching with U-Turn.

Lv.100 Jirachi @Leftovers
Adamant|Serene Grace
Wish, Body Slam, Iron Head, Protect
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Def

Jirachi has a great ability and moveset, this allows it to almost certainly paralyze with
Body Slam or critical hit/flinch with STAB Iron Head. Its also incredibly hard to take out
without the right checks/counters.

Lv.100 Gyarados @Life Orb
Earthquake, Stone Edge, Dragon Dance, Waterfall
EVs: 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd

If Gyarados can secure a Dragon Dance its almost unstoppable!
once you KO your first pokemon Moxie kicks in and your opponent cries!

Water Pokemon Master
August 18th, 2011, 4:46 PM
Well, half your team is weak to Ghost and Dark - Spirtomb could ruin Jellicent, Latios, Dusclops, and Weavile could destroy your entire team, save Gyarados.
The fact that the other half of your team knows Earthquake leaves little for broad type coverage, though it certainly is good for Gyarados to give a swift end to dangerous Electric pokes. However, he'd be better off Jolly so he can outspeed those swift electrics.

I'd also advise you to switch Excadrill with maybe Heracross? It can already do most of what you're having Exca do - and it can get rid of both Ice and Dark pokemon with some super awesome fighting moves, which you're lacking - and trust me, in 5th gen, fighting moves are becoming very essential, as with bug.

You ought to also throw in an ice move there somewhere - Garchomps and Salamances are all over, and with the 5th gen introducing 3 non-legendary Dragon pokemon, Ice is always helpful. I'd recommend tossing it on Latios, replacing Surf with it.

Of course, that's just how I see it - if you have a kickass strategy you're using, then go fori t.

August 19th, 2011, 12:38 AM
You don't really need to put in your Pokemon's IVs.

Anyway, I can see Excadrill making better use of the Air Balloon rather than the Focus Sash because of that Ground weakness.

Hex is a bit gimmicky at best on Jellicent, since it relies on the opponent being statused. I'd give it Shadow Ball for consistent STAB, Ice Beam for Grass/Dragon Pokemon or Taunt to screw over walls.

August 19th, 2011, 5:14 AM
I've updated the thread with how i use my pokemon and taken in your advice and i think i'll remove Surf for Ice Beam ^_^

^_^ More ideas are welcome ^_^

August 19th, 2011, 8:47 AM
Most of your team get damaged by the sand, so aside from Excadrill, I really don't see why you need a sand stream lead. Dusklops is Taunt bait also. And Latios loses not only sandstorm damage, but also life orb recoil. It's not going to last.

August 19th, 2011, 9:50 AM
Hmmm.... thats a good point. Its just Hippowdon is my only Stealth Rock user, however i do have a Skarmory who has Spikes. Would he be a good replacement for Hippowdon?

Lv.100 Skarmory @Leftovers
Impish|Keen Eye
Spikes, Whirlwind, Brave Bird, Roost
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Spd

August 19th, 2011, 2:56 PM
Hmmm.... thats a good point. Its just Hippowdon is my only Stealth Rock user, however i do have a Skarmory who has Spikes. Would he be a good replacement for Hippowdon?

Lv.100 Skarmory @Leftovers
Impish|Keen Eye
Spikes, Whirlwind, Brave Bird, Roost
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Spd
If you're playing Gen V OU, then Sturdy is the preferred option as it ensures Skarmory does something before it dies (usually setting up a layer or two of Spikes or phazing the opponent with Whirlwind). Sturdy can also be set up again with 2 uses of Roost.

August 19th, 2011, 4:32 PM
I see what you keen but I don't have a Sturdy one unfortunately

August 23rd, 2011, 12:56 PM
Ferro w/ Stealth Rock or Spikes might be good.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
Nature: Relaxed/Sassy
~Stealth Rock/Spikes
~Leech Seed
~Power Whip/Protect
~Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
EVs: 252 HP/48 Def/208 SpDef
IVs: Preferably 31/31/31/X/31/0

August 24th, 2011, 2:58 AM
If you happen to remove Hippowdon, don't forget to replace Excadrill as well.

I believe that you could use something that knows a good Fire move, many steel types are annoying as hell and the best of them are 4x weak to fire. Volcarona comes to mind.

September 1st, 2011, 11:50 AM
Just updated my trade thread with loads of new pokemon that could be in here
Any suggestions are greatfully accepted ^_^

September 1st, 2011, 3:34 PM
Maybe consider replacing Gyarados with, I dunno, Swampert? With Roar, that will go in great once Skarmory has his Spikes layered up. And then, if (and when) Skarmory goes down, you'll still have something else for phazing. Along with the fact that Swampy is pretty physically bulky and physically keen on attacking. Just a thought.

Dark Azelf
September 1st, 2011, 7:43 PM
Swampert does the same job as Hippowdon essentially. Regardless Swampert is horrible this gen and really offers little over Hippowdon tbh. :\

September 2nd, 2011, 12:45 AM
I'd use Protect over Detect on Yanmega simply because Protect has twice as much PP as Detect does. It might also be best for it to have a Hidden Power type to deal with Steel Pokemon (Fire for Scizor, Forretress, Skarmory, Jirachi, Bronzong, Metagross and Ferrothorn, Ground for Heatran and Fighting for Steels in general other than Jirachi, Metagross, Bronzong and Skarmory)

September 2nd, 2011, 4:28 AM
I think that Yanmega has HP Dragon 68 but and my other one has HP Dark, but i find Shadow Ball usefull on chandelure, Golurk, Jellicent, Gengar, Espeon etc.

September 11th, 2011, 7:11 PM
Ok i've done some testing on PO and come up with a new team, i think its better than the last one but i'm not an expert thats why i'm here ^_^

:) any advise or suggestions will be greatly accepted :)

September 11th, 2011, 7:49 PM
Landorus needs max Attack to help it hit as hard as it can (252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe). Even though 4 Special Attack EVs isn't much, HP Ice still does plenty of damage to Gliscor.

Reuniclus is a better CMer than Cresselia due to Magic Guard blocking Poison, Burn, sandstorm, hail and Life Orb damage:
-Calm Mind
-Focus Blast
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard

TBH, Weavile isn't as good as it used to be, since it's wrecked by priority. I don't have any good replacements for it now, but maybe someone else can suggest.

Dusclops is too weak to use Sucker Punch, so you can use Taunt to screw over other walls (even though Dusclops is too slow and be Taunted itself). You can also switch to Bold and use Ice Beam for Dragons, Gliscor and Landorus.

I think Jirachi should take advantage of its good defensive typing by switching to Careful and using this EV spread to take special hits better: 252 HP/224 SDef/32 Spe.

September 12th, 2011, 5:12 AM
Ok i've changed Landorus's EV spread and replaced Sucker Punch on Dusklops with Taunt.

No one i've battled has tried to poison/burn Cresselia and its defencive stats are amazing so i'm gonna keep it for now but i'll do some testing with Reuniclus.

Even with his current EV spread Jirachi seems hard to take out so i'm gonna keep him the way he is for now but again i may do some testing with the other spread.

September 12th, 2011, 9:09 AM
Your biggest weakness that I'm seeing so far is Scrafty. Once Gyarados is gone it can set up anytime and sweep, and Dusclops can't even do anything to it. My suggestion is replace Weavile with Conkeldurr, since Scrafty can't do anything to it and it checks Excadrill, who is also problematic to this team.

I don't know where you're going with Jirachi's EVs, since that set isn't meant to hit hard at all. Use the standard set EVs -> 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe. Without those EVs notable special attackers such as Latios and Reuniclus would wreck this team apart with Weavile gone. EDIT: Oh, and use Careful >>> Adamant on Jirachi. Wish Jirachi was never meant to hit hard.

You could also use Scarf >>> Life Orb on Landy just to be fast, but I'm not sure lol.

This is all that I would change for now. I might come back for a better rate later.

September 12th, 2011, 10:27 AM
If you're using U-turn on Landorus, it's probably preferable to use Choice Scarf so residual damage doesn't build so quickly. If you want to use Life Orb, I'd use SD > U-turn; and if you want to try Substitute > U-turn, go with Leftovers. In any case, a change in item and/or move there on Landorus is a good idea.

September 12th, 2011, 10:56 AM
Hmmm... i saw on Smogon that they recommend Choice Scarf but i used Life orb so i can do more damage and not be locked into 1 move however i will do some testing with a Choice Scarf ^_^

September 12th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Hmmm... i saw on Smogon that they recommend Choice Scarf but i used Life orb so i can do more damage and not be locked into 1 move however i will do some testing with a Choice Scarf ^_^
Then use SD, preferably. It's just that U-turn fits much better with a Choice Scarf because residual damage from SR and LO stacks quickly and means that Landorus is going to die that much faster. If you want Landorus to stay in and use LO, that's fine, just don't use U-turn with it. :>

September 12th, 2011, 11:10 AM
I see, i'll add Choice Scarf to him then ^_^

September 13th, 2011, 4:36 PM
I'm surprised why people haven't been using toxic on Cresselia, as that's a great way to counter it, as well as any other cm poke. Anyway, if you start to have problems with status on Cress, I would suggest switching Moonlight to Rest, especially since Moonlight heals less in Sandstorm in Rain, which are both common. However, if you don't like Rest, a kind of random move I use is Magic Coat. It actually works somewhat well, as this catches people off-guard, as well as blocks taunt, but it is risky as you no longer have any means of recovering. I just use it for fun lol.

September 14th, 2011, 6:35 AM
I see your point, the main problem Cresselia faces in my experience is Payback.
2 Payback's from a Conkeldurr KO's Cresselia :(