View Full Version : Disappointment In Starter Evolution?

February 5th, 2012, 5:41 AM
I saw a thread like this over on Serebii.

I remember that when the Unova starters where released, everyone's initial thought was "I am so choosing Tepig". But then the evolutions were released, and they discovered that cute little Tepig evolves into a fat pig wearing a corset. Most people were disappointed, but it was not the first time that it happened.

Even though most people find Tepig's evolutions "ugly", my brother ended up choosing Tepig when playing White (it's his first time going with a Fire Starter) cos he hated Oshawott (he used to always pick Water Starters). He just likes Tepig cos it resembles P-chan.

So, where you ever disappointed by an evolution of a starter? Did you pick that starter anyway?

This includes both middle and final evolutions of starters.

Starter evos to discuss: Ivysaur/Venusaur, Charmeleon/Charizard, Wartortle/Blastoise, Bayleef/Meganium, Quilava/Typhlosion, Croconaw/Feraligatr, Grovyle/Sceptile, Combusken/Blaziken, Marshtomp/Swampert, Grotle/Torterra, Monferno/Infernape, Prinplup/Empoleon, Servine/Serperior, Pignite/Emboar and Dewott/Samurott.

February 5th, 2012, 6:54 AM
Oshawott's final evolution is terrible and hardly even resembles the first 2 forms. It's closer to Walrein if anything. It would be more acceptable as part of a separate evolutionary chain in my opinion, not apart of Oshawott's.

Snivy's final evolution was also disappointing. It's almost nothing to look at, design-wise. It's odd to compare how each form of Snivy looked to each other then you see Serperior stick out so awfully.

February 5th, 2012, 8:05 AM
Ivysaur to Venusaur... I still have a hard time evolving those two to their full forms, where they turn into some enormous monster with a funny-looking mouth and warts. I was just never a fan of it, personally. Same exact thing goes for Wartortle to Blastoise, only imo it's not as bad as the former - Blastoise at least has some cool points, like its shell cannons.

The evolution of Torchic to Combusken and Blaziken also confused me a bit at first lol. An obvious chick evolving into a very humanlike fighting bird seemed like quite the concept change. I love Torchic but don't like its final form at all. ):

February 5th, 2012, 4:22 PM
Emboar being the third Fire-Fighting dual-type starter yet. I don't mind too much how it looks, just the repetitive typing theme it has continued.
Also Venusaur, it's just ugly.

February 5th, 2012, 4:48 PM
I chose Tepig as my starter and I really regret it now. I've always chosen fire types and now I'm thinking about restarting (I'm not that far anyway) and going with Snivy.

Ivysaur to Venusaur never really appealed to me much, you could say? I thought it was very ugly and when I was little, I was scared of Bulbasaur's final evolution...

February 5th, 2012, 6:29 PM
I said something on serebii, but the GEN V starters dissapointed me. Namely Emboar. I wish it were something else other than fire/fighting >:c

February 5th, 2012, 7:29 PM
I thought Totodile got progressively uglier... I love Totodile and Croconaw but Feraligatr looks more like a leather blob.

February 5th, 2012, 7:50 PM
I was originally going to start with Snivy in White, but after seeing the stats and movepools of its evolved forms, I was disappointed. So I went with Tepig instead.

I was also somewhat disappointed in Tepig's evolved forms; a third Fire/Fighting starter in a row is too much already.

February 5th, 2012, 7:53 PM
Totodile is one of my fav starters but yeah, its evolved stages look odd to me.
I've always liked Charmeleon and Charizard stages. Maybe because i loved Ash's charizard haha...

February 5th, 2012, 8:00 PM
I would say that Totodile is the prime culprit here. Croconaw is absolutely horrendous. I think Feraligatr is tolerable though. .-.

However, he's still rivaled by Tepig. I'm not a huge fan of the little guy anyways, but they actually managed to make him much worse. On top that, they slapped on Fire/Fighting for the third time.

February 5th, 2012, 11:25 PM
Snivy's final evolution was also disappointing. It's almost nothing to look at, design-wise. It's odd to compare how each form of Snivy looked to each other then you see Serperior stick out so awfully.
This pretty much just seems it up for me. When 5th Gen coverage began I was pretty stoked about Snivy I thought it was going to be Grass/Dragon at first it really didn't strike me as a snake. Then I saw Servine and Dewott about a week or so prior to the release(this was due to the Battle Club episode) so I wasn't too disappointed. When all the pokemon concept designs and most of the other Gen V pokemon were revealed I thought they were trollin cause the designs looked atrocious. This is why I opted for Emboar cause it was the less of evils for me.

I would say that Totodile is the prime culprit here. Croconaw is absolutely horrendous. I think Feraligatr is tolerable though. .-.

However, he's still rivaled by Tepig. I'm not a huge fan of the little guy anyways, but they actually managed to make him much worse. On top that, they slapped on Fire/Fighting for the third time.
You must not like the fact that Tepig is Ash very Unova starter to evolve then.

February 7th, 2012, 12:28 PM
I am sorta disappointed in Oshawatt. He turns from a cute little Oshawatt into an awesome Samurai and then what?? Some horse/creatire thing with a stick sticking out of its head. That really throw me off.

February 7th, 2012, 12:55 PM
I've been waiting for a thread like this. XD Anyway, while I like Chikorita and Meganium, I've never been a fan of Bayleef. It's not the worst design evolution, but it's not as good aesthetically as Chikorita and Meganium. A similar situation applies with Torchic, Combusken and Blaziken. I love Torchic and Blaziken, but Combusken is pretty meh. And yeah, I agree with the whole Tepig thing. Emboar isn't as good looking as Serperior or Samurott, but I picked it anyway~ XP

February 7th, 2012, 1:26 PM
The biggest disappointment, and not only from gen V but from all gens, was Samurott. Wow, what is that thing even? Dewott had great potential, his colours were nice, he was bipedal like most starters, could have turned into something great and they design something unicorn/walrus thing like Samurott. I just didn't get that at all, it's the sole reason I didn't get an Oshawott btw. I also love Emboar though so I might haven't gotten it anyway.

February 7th, 2012, 2:03 PM
So yeah i already knew how horrible the starters were in this gen way before i started but i still chose Oshawott... Other than him the only other water starter i have chosen is Totodile and boy what surprise did i get when it started evolving back in the days... That was horrendous with Feraligart >,<

I was never really a big fan of some other starters like Grottle, i did LOVED Piplup though but i always pained me to see him evolve that i wanted to press B always always. And let's not forget our dear friend Mudkip, with he's Marshstomp and Swampert evos... That is a DEAL breaker.

Treeko and Grovyle were bear-able to look at but that Sceptile with that huge tail >,< Nonononono always hated it...

February 7th, 2012, 4:18 PM
I agree with the people who're saying Venusaur. I was a little disappointed by that, and it turned me off to grass starters ever since. Chikorita brought me back a little bit, but Meganium's end sprite in the actual game turned me off completely for the next few generations.

February 7th, 2012, 6:18 PM
5th gen starters in general, really; Oshawott's final form I am certainly okay with but Dewott suggested something better or at least a different direction. Tepid's line was meh for myself, and Seperior not too interesting either for myself...

Sceptile never really appealed to myself much either. Feraligatr I like though; looks big and tough which is what it is.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
February 8th, 2012, 12:17 AM
Venusaur always looked like a dim-witted, slow moving lummox to me.

Sceptile was completely ruined by that freakishly big tail... a big step backward from the aerodynamic and sleek Grovyle.

All of the 5th gen Pokemon were letdowns for me. Emboar looks too bloated, Serperior (sp?) looks like some odd plant serpent, and Samurott looks nothing like its pre-evolved forms, and I have yet to see a RL otter with a huge horn growing out of its face.

February 8th, 2012, 2:12 PM
I like most starters but I don't like the looks of the Torchic line or Tepig line. I'm not too big a fan of prinplup either.
I don't know where I stand with Samurott. I like its looks better then its pre-evolved forms but at the same time it looks like a completly diffrent creature. Even with Magikarp there were some traces when it evolved but I see nothing in the leap Samurott does.

February 9th, 2012, 1:19 AM
I'm actually quite fond of the Evolved Starter Pokémon, as the quite alot of them rank highly in my top 10, such as Typhlosion (1), Serperior (2), Blaziken, Swampert, Charizard...
Mostly because I have very fond memories of using them in-game.

But designwise, I don't like all of them.
Bublasaur/Ivysaur/Venusaur - As mentioned above, Venusaur isn't too pretty. I'm not very keen on the grass type, specially in those days, so I didn't use them much.

Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard - [S]The Charmeleon backsprite in B/R/Y. Eew.[S] I like them. Most of the time I picked this line in Kanto.

Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise - Not too fond of the canons on Blastoise's back, but I love the first two. On my first playthrough on MD, I turned into a Squirtle and I didn't evovle because I loved the Wartortle's sprite.

Chikorita/Bayleef/Meganium - As before, the grass line is not most used. Though I have to say that the anime greatly appealed for this line. Ash' Chikorita/Bayleef was adorable.

Cyndaquil/Quilava/Typhlosion - Love. They look huggable. XD

Totodile/Croconaw/Feraligatr - I never understood the torn swimsuit look for Croconaw. It looks a bit out of place compared to it's pre/evolution.

Treeko/Grovyle/Sceptile - I love Grovyle's aerodynamic design, evolving it to Sceptile was a step back. This line does have its nice points, but it's not my favourite.

Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken - Again, it's the second stage I'm not too fond of. I don't like Combusken's poofy legs all that much.

Mudkip/Marshtomp/Swampert - I was never too fond of Marshtomp's design as it looked kind of dumbwitted. Swampert's somewhat better, but Mudkip is my favourite of the line.

Snivy/Servine/Serperior - This line is my favourite of Unova and ranks amongst the highest of my favourite pokémon. I love how each one of them has personality and I can't get enough of Serperior's attitude. I like the combination of green and yellow. It's true that it'd be nice if had become Dragon typed, but that doesn't take away that I love Serperior. o3o"

Tepig/Pignite/Emboar - I used to think Tepig was pretty cute, going around claiming that I'd use him as my starter. But I was seriously disappointed by its evolutions. There's not that many ways you can go with pig-wise, but there are many more nice ideas besides a fat, flaming pig wearing a corset. I wish they'd make more Pokémon that aren't fat/have rounded bodies.

Oshawott/Dewott/Samurott - Dewott is my favourite in this line and Samurott is pretty cool, even though it looks like an entirely different Pokémon. The concept of this line is pretty neat, though.

The reason why I skipped the Sinnoh lines, is because I don't know them that well. Generally, don't like either of them, which is also one of the reasons I never really got into the Sinnoh Region.

February 9th, 2012, 11:22 AM
I picked Torchic out of habit of picking fire starters but wasn't satisfied so I ended up restarting and picking Treecko - best decision I ever made (okay, well, one of the best lol) cause he's awesome :cool:

BZW Golem
February 9th, 2012, 11:52 AM
The ones that did disappoint me in terms of design:

Venusaur - Bulbasaur looked really good.. but THIS?

Croconaw/Feraligatr - Good 1st form.. the rest was not that good. I did start liking Feraligatr after some time, but at first I hated It >.>

Sceptile - It looks horrible, but the first 2 forms are really good..

Swampert - It's strange but I do not like his design. Mudkip and Marshtomp were well.. looked really sweet and happy. Swampert tried to be scary and lost what I liked about the first forms.

Empoleon - he has a trident on his face? I seriously hate him for that >.>

Pignite/Emboar - just simply ugly >_<

Samurott - I will never understand what this thing is supposed to resemble.. never.

Taro Tanaka
February 9th, 2012, 4:05 PM
The biggest disappointment for me was Oshawott's looks. To me, Samurott is awesome, but they should've tried better with Oshawott and Dewott. Aside from that, it's been good.

The only other disappointment was Emboar's bad defenses. A Pokemon with that much bulk gives the impression of being able to widthstand much more. But oh well. XD

Thunder Blade
February 10th, 2012, 6:16 AM
Gen V starters aren't great. I chose Oshawott because Samurott looks cool, Snivy didn't appeal to me, neither did Tepig, but additionally Tepig for the reason below:

I said something on serebii, but the GEN V starters dissapointed me. Namely Emboar. I wish it were something else other than fire/fighting >:c

Yeah that type match up annoyed so many ppl. 3 Gen's in a row of the same type match up is very poor. whether it would have been weaker or not they should have made it like... Ground or something.

# on Sceptile,
Move wise, It was pretty average in Gen 3, but nowadays it's somewhat usable. they've given it some decent moves now and its speedy so you could turn it into sweeper.

February 16th, 2012, 10:56 AM
Generally, I thought all first gen starters were great. Squirtle's was the best and as awesome as Blastoise is I LOVED Wartortle in terms of its ears and tail.

Totodile's line I never used to like but they've really grown on me. I hated Bayleef in the Chikorita line but loved both Meganium and Chikorita; Chikorita is adorable. Cyndaquil's is a nice evolution line, but personally I'm no fan of Quilava.

Third gen's all had amazing first forms, but I never wanted to evolve Torchic as it got progressively uglier, and the same goes for Mudkip. Love Sceptile.

Fourth gen I loved the starters for the most part. I didn't like Piplup's evolutions but Empoleon's steel typing won me over. The Chimchar line and Turtwig line were both awesome.

But, ugh, fifth gen. I picked Tepig which I found adorable but Pignite could have been better and Emboar is just awful. The shiny is nice, though, but it won't make me forgive GameFreak and their overuse of fire/fighting. Oshawott grew on me over time, and Dewott is simply awesome for a second form, but Samurott ruined that line for me completely. I quite liked Snivy's line but I think it deserved the dragon typing other people have mentioned. If Altaria can get a dragon typing, then I don't see why Serperior doesn't deserve one. That, and it had a stall level up move pool which didn't suit me for an in-game run.

February 18th, 2012, 1:41 PM
I quite liked Snivy's line but I think it deserved the dragon typing other people have mentioned. If Altaria can get a dragon typing, then I don't see why Serperior doesn't deserve one.
I think it's the same reason Charizard isn't a dragon type, starters cannot be dragon's (at least not just one of them) as it would hold an advantage in resistances against the other two. Gen 4 attempted to balance the starters by making it grass-ground/fire-fighting/water-steel so every stater had a weakness against the other but giving just Serperior dragon typing would make it resistant to fire and thus undermining Emboar.

February 18th, 2012, 1:51 PM
The fact that Snivy eventually loses his arms was a big disappointment. And like bobandbill said, Dewott's structure suggested a different evolution, and the way its body colour turns turquoise was irrelevant in most cases.

February 18th, 2012, 2:33 PM
Bulbasaur / Ivysaur / Venusaur : Although they reminded me of frogs and toads (I am irrationally, deathly afraid of amphibians), I liked this starter line. I'm attributing my like of it towards the blooming flower carried on each stage's back. and While the looks creeped me out a bit as a child, I have to say that I did think that they looked pretty cool overall.

Charmander / Charmeleon / Charizard : Charmander was my first ever Pokémon. I simply love this line. The slow progression from Charmander to Charizard was a beauty. From huggable, thick Charmander to the single-horned, thinned down Charmeleon, to the double-horned and winged Charizard, this line was ingeniously planned. Charmeleon is also on of the two middle evolutions that I'd actually be content with not evolving, the other being Quilava.

Squirtle / Wartortle / Blastoise : Squirtle is adorable. Wartortle looked weird to me as a kid, and although not so much anymore, it's still weird. Blastoise just looks like a bada-..butt. The cannons on its back, no matter how much it defies logic, simply shouts power.

Chikorita / Bayleef / Meganium : Although much better than the Saur-line, I still wouldn't pick this grass family. That said, I do love their designs. From the cute Chikorita to the beautiful Meganium, every stage of this evolutionary line holds a very elegant look.

Cyndaquil / Quilava / Typhlosion : Cyndaquil is just plain adorable. Quilava is an amazing evolution as while it retains some of Cyndaquil's cute traits, it also shows off aspects of growing up, evident in its tougher and "cooler" looks. Same thing I said about Blastoise, I'll say about Typlohsion. It looks BA. Along with the Char-line, I really liked this line of fire starters as each evolution made sense, compared to the previous.

Totodile / Croconaw / Feraligatr : Totodile looked so cool to me as a child haha. and It still does. But wtf is Croconaw? It's so ****ing ugly. and Feraligtr? Meh. I guess it's better than Croconaw, but it still looks awkward.

Treeko / Grovyle / Sceptile : This whole family just creeped me out. Wasn't a fan of them when I first saw'em, not a fan of them now. Probably will never be a fan of them.

Torchic / Combusken / Blaziken : Torchic looks like a failed attempt at trying to make a Pokémon cute, but I like its design nevertheless. Combusken looks awkward. It's passable but I'm not fond of it. Blaziken shares the same description as Typlosion and Blastoise (I guess I'll include Charizard, too, just in case anyone decides to argue with me that Charizard looks BA too). With Dream World granting it Speed Boost, my fire starter is finally shining.

Mudkip / Marshtomp / Swampert : Ew. Like, wtf was Gamefreak thinking when they created this line? Ugly. For the Mudkip fans, I don't find it cute in the slightest bit.

Turtwig / Grotle / Torterra : I love, love, love this line. 4th Gen marked the first time I didn't pick a fire-starter and it was all because of this family. How, if anyone, thinks Turtwig is not an adorable starter is beyond me. BRB, I'm gonna go buy a real pet turtle.. Anyways, Grotle continues in the tradition of middle-evolutions looking awkward, but it's a nice transition between Turtwig and Torterra. Speaking of Torterra, guess what I'm going to say about it? Yep, BA. While it looks slow and bulky, it looks mean as hell. If I saw a Torterra in real life, my first thoughts would be, "I do not want to piss that thing off." In addition, getting STAB for Earthquake, one of the best offensive moves in the game? Yes, please.

Chimchar / Monferno / Infernape : Chimchar is so cute. Monferno.. Not so much. Again, awkward second evolutionary stage, but this one isn't as bad as the others. Infernape.. Interesting. I'm pretty neutral about this one. While it does look cool, it screamed Blaziken wannabe to me. Other than that, I have no qualms about this line.

Piplup / Prinplup / Empoleon : I'm just going to say this up front; Prinplup is hiddeous. It looks so stupid.. Otherwise, Piplup is pretty cute and Empoleon looks pretty amazing, if I do say so myself. That and a unique Water/Steel typing? This stage completed what was a pretty solid starter pool in 4th gen, for me.

Snivy / Servine / Serperior : I love their arrogant appearance. While not as amazing as last gen's grass starter, Serperior holds its own. Snivy and Servine both have that "You can't beat me," look, and can I just say it does look good on them. While I found it odd that Snivy's legs and arms developed when it evolved into Servine, but then disappeared when it evolved again into Serperior, its not big enough a problem to bother me.

Tepig / Pignite / Emboar : Ugh. Seriously? Another Fire/Fighting starter family? That in itself was enough to have me dislike this line. Tepig is cute, I guess, but Pignite and Emboar look dumb. I'll hand it to Emboar, though, its shiny-form looks pretty cool. Other than that, the only reason I'd like this line is because they're self-cooking bacon.

Oshawott / Dewott / Samurott : Oshawott. Ew. Ugly. It, like Torchic, looks like a failed attempt at looking cute. Dewott is like Combusken, too, that really awkward middle stage. I gotta say Dewott does have a better design that Combusken, though. Samurott, again, is like Blaziken, in an awesome looking final evolution. Except that the fire-chicken line makes a bit of sense, while the Dewott to Samurott evolution makes no sense, whatsover. So while Torchic's questionable attempt to look cute is saved by Blaziken, Oshawott cannot make the same argument as Samurott doesn't even resemble it in any way, shape, or form.

There, you have it, my 2¢ :P

February 18th, 2012, 2:42 PM
Emboar and Empoleon were pretty big downers, imo.


Never even bothered with Treeko or Mudkip's evolutionary lines.

February 22nd, 2012, 12:31 PM
I never really thought much of Piplup, Chimchar and Turtwig's final evos...even though I quite like Piplup. I'd have to say the black/white starters have pretty nice evos. No disappointments thare, I normaly like the final evo, but I never even wanted to evolve my Piplup :c

Mr Cat Dog
February 23rd, 2012, 12:20 PM
Although I used it, I really dislike Feraligatr in pretty much every way. I hate its name; I hate its design; I hate its movepool; I hate its stats. And to add insult to injury, Totodile is kinda cute! Same kinda goes for Samurott, although in that case I like its design a bit more (and have no affection for Oshawott).

February 23rd, 2012, 9:22 PM
I personally think Sceptile is odd. I mean, when I was younger I loved Grovile so so so so so much. But then I got Emerald, and chose Treecko. Out came Sceptile, which was rather disappointing. And I LOVE the Cyndaquil line, Typhlosion's my favorite starter evo. Kinda am okay with Samurot, and I hate Emboar. Marshstomp was cool, and I loved the entire Torchic lineup. I liked all of the Emerald starters really. Gen 1 was good, and gen 4 wasn't bad. Gen 5, ugh. Really expected more out of those games. :/

Pokemon Trainer Touko
February 27th, 2012, 4:30 AM
Fat pig wearing a corset?
Nica's probably going to bite you if she sees that

Oh and Piplup and Mijumaru's final evos are so ugly but I still picked them >__>;;
Tbh all of the final evos of starter pokes (except for Jalorda) are ugly >A<;;