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Nuzlocke Forums, /vp/, ROM Hacks, and musing

Posted November 5th, 2012 at 1:44 PM by Perri Lightfoot

Recently, I've noticed a change in the ROM Hacking fan community. It started on the Nuzlocke forums and spread quickly to /vp/, and frankly, I'm surprised I haven't seen it spread here (it's only a matter of time, I suppose). An overwhelming attitude of negativity, and an overwhelming preference for "mods" - hacks that change difficulty/add new 'mon or make them all catchable/add in later-gen features like physical/special split without changing tiles, plot, characters, scripts, regions, or anything else of that nature. Of course, there's nothing wrong if that's the sort of hack you prefer - I understand that the sort of thing I do isn't for everyone - but there IS something wrong with this vicious cult of hate that has sprung up. /vp/'s ROM Hacking Generals have turned from a place I actually liked to post in and hang out into an endless circle praising only mod-type games (particularly Blaze Black/Volt White), and labeling anything that tries to do anything different as "fanfiction" (used as an insult, though it shouldn't be), try-hard, and just plain crap (using a very different four letter word there, of course). Pokecommunity is labelled the "Deviantart of ROM hacks," and it's not a compliment. The Nuzlocke forum threads tearing into Ruby Destiny and the like started this trend - now it seems to so many people I see in my travels online; if you're not a Sideshow Showcase type of hacker, you're crap and your work is crap.

As someone who makes a "fanfiction" hack, this is incredibly disheartening and very, very sad. I don't expect everyone to like everything, and of course /vp/, being part of 4chan, is hardly going to be a bastion of positive feelings, but it didn't used to be like this. There used to be room for both styles of hack, not just one. It's frustrating to see attitudes change so fast based on whims, and it certainly doesn't inspire me to work on Super Rising Thunder. I'm not saying my work is perfect - God only knows it's not - but hacks in the Showcase shouldn't be written off without a moment's notice. The stories can be good. The scripts spectacular. The gameplay fun. The mapping attractive. I suppose I just want to go back to the old days, where you weren't written off immediately for not making a Sideshow Showcase-type hack, to ROM Hack Generals ROM Hackers like myself would actually want to post in. Suppose I just needed to get this off my chest...
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  1. Old Comment
    Logan's Avatar
    Nuzlocke forum is lolz for hacking. People are just jealous because they lack the knowledge, perseverance and skill to create an original hack.
    Posted November 5th, 2012 at 3:12 PM by Logan Logan is offline
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    Nina's Avatar
    I feel like this is part of the bigger trend of "I can't admit I like a children's game/show for itself, so I'm going to amp everything to super hard difficulty and make it mature, and anyone who doesn't do that is super gay and not as manly as me" going on with the 13 thousand reboots and the cries for a more mature version of children's shows and games.

    Basically they are unoriginal poo-heads that want to bend everything to fit their self-servant ego boost and you should ignore them and make a great game. :)
    Posted November 5th, 2012 at 5:26 PM by Nina Nina is offline
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    droomph's Avatar
    if it makes you unhappy, just tell yourself you're better than them.

    And in this case, you actually are.
    Posted November 5th, 2012 at 5:31 PM by droomph droomph is offline
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    Never bothered with Nuzlocke or making a 386 hack myself. But I've played a few others' out of boredom.

    The hackers of 'then' had the spirit, and lacked the knowledge. The hackers of 'now' are the exact opposite.

    /Majority anyway.
    Posted November 5th, 2012 at 9:24 PM by Truality Truality is offline
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    Tyrantrum's Avatar
    "Deviantart of ROM hacks"
    that's like the worst thing you could ever call PC's hacking forum

    who cares about 4chan, anyway? they may occasionally have some funny stuff, but most of the time it's just a bunch of whiners whose opinions no one even gives a crap about
    Posted November 5th, 2012 at 9:37 PM by Tyrantrum Tyrantrum is offline
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    The only reason I prefer the Physical/Special split features in 3rd Gen hacks is so that I have more options to create unique teams. With the original mechanics, some Pokemon won't be able to use their STAB attacks as effectively, like Gyarados using water attacks like Waterfall or Gengar using Ghost attacks like Shadow Ball.

    In other words, Gyarados' water attacks aren't as good since the every move of its type are all special attacks when it has weak Sp. Atk and good Attack stats. As well as Gengar having weak Attack when Ghost type attacks are physical.

    Maybe I'm spoiled by Pokemon D/P/P and B/W, but I don't know what is PokeCommunity's opinion on this.
    Posted January 12th, 2013 at 8:14 PM by zabimaru1000 zabimaru1000 is offline

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