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Feeling a bit shafted on Pokecommunity.

Posted February 7th, 2013 at 12:22 PM by Kura

I'm a little peeved and feel that no one's listening to me, and it's becoming pretty frustrating.

I feel like time after time, I give suggestions to the community, only to be pretty much shot down or told my idea is garbage- but when another member mentions the exact same thing, but maybe gives it another name or tweaks something so minor it is common sense, it revered as some amazing thing. And in the end I feel pretty insulted.

It's no one's fault, really. I really sincerely doubt anyone's doing it on purpose, but it's happening. I know it is pretty egotistic to feel pinpointed, in a way, but I also know you guys tell JustinRPG that if he ever feels the same way, he's welcome to contact staff about it. Well I wanted to let you all know that I'm feeling a similar way. I didn't want to take it to suggestions because it's not a problem or anything, but I wanted to get this off my chest.

I guess what set me off is just the past couple of things recently, and yesterday when Dipu gave the idea that we should have a sort of PC matchmaker thing- people could send in PMs and get almost paired up to get to know new members better and etc. Just in time for Valentines day! I like the idea too, and I mentioned the same thing back for the 10 Year PC Get-Together. No, no, don't get me wrong- I don't hold anything against Dipu, (sorry Dipu, I hope I don't make you feel uncomfortable by mentioning you!) there's such a thing as having the same/ a similar mindset or idea. However, I was a bit peeved when the DCC title was changed, calling attention to it, and then it seemed to be taken seriously. But the reason I was peeved isn't because mods aren't doing their jobs- on the contrary: I WANT stuff like this to get positive feedback and be put through as an event. It makes things really fun for the community. I guess I am peeved for selfish reasons, though. I don't like feeling that way, but I can't help it. Why did moderators tell me it wouldn't work then.. when now suddenly it's a grand idea? I feel.. I dunno.. like I'm not taken seriously for it. I mean, if this was a one-case scenario, I wouldn't mind. But it keeps happening. I know for sure mods aren't doing it on purpose too. I can't even think of a BAD reason why they'd want to do that, let alone a good reason.

Another case was when trying to give suggestions to OVP and OC, and I said I felt that some threads are really great and could be added to after a month of them being closed, so to extend it. (TBH I forget what exactly I said but it was pretty much along these lines.)
Got shot down for it by some staff.
Someone else tweaked my suggestion just by adding the fact that it could be for only popular topics. Great! I like that idea too.
Suddenly the same staff that shot me down say it's an amazing idea. I feel like.. woah.. wait, what just happened? That's a little unfair, isn't it? Not because their version got the attention, but that I was just so readily brushed aside without a second thought to what I wanted to contribute.

I don't get it. Suggestions are here to be built upon, not straightly shot down. It pains me a bit, because I want to contribute to the community, and I like to contribute to the community, but when I keep getting shot down, I get disheartened and feel like I don't even want to bother any longer. I feel like no one listens. Or like they see my username and just think "oh ppfftttt, what's she got to complain about now?"

Need a few other examples?
For how long have I said that the IRC needs a revamp, it needs to feel like part of Pokecommunity and right now it doesn't. It needed proper moderation- which it does now have for the most part, thankfully, but it's so dead now that the moderation isn't even being put to good use. I say, let's try and fix it! No, I get people disagreeing with me telling me it's impossible before trying. Please! I want to see it succeed!
Next was blog rules. Blogs needed stricter rules. People shouldn't be allowed to spam 5/6 blogs in a day. There's an edit button for that. People fought me for that. I left PC for a bit because of school, came back, and that blog rule is now in place. Why did you fight me about it then?! I don't get it!
Okay, then let me try to contribute in a new way. For PCX, I suggested a PC IRL get-together. Yeah, it was an out-there suggestion, but I thought, heck it's PCX, let me give it a shot. Staff told me that it may not be possible due to safety stuff and liabilities. That's fair enough. Totally understandable, and I get that. They then told me someone would get back to me. No one did. No one gets back to me. Do people just forget or something? I know I can have a really bad memory too but.. I feel pretty forgettable. Am I the forgettable thing?

I mean, as an example, I keep a lot of PMs, and going YEARS back, I remember even sending one to a high staff member, asking about a response; a reply back to a previous question I asked 2 weeks prior- I asked "could I have a PM back please?" The PM I got back was "Here you go."
Yeah, maybe in this case it's a really old instance, and it sounds like I'm holding a grudge but.. it was just a bit shocking to me, so it really stands out to me. For all I know, they could've completely forgotten I sent something weeks prior (even though to me it was serious) and thought they were being funny. I really don't know.. but I feel like I'm a joke sometimes, and I really don't like feeling this way.

Now I don't want to point fingers and seem like I'm saying "staff are bad!" Nah, they're not. And really, members do it to me, too.. but.. I guess I sorta expect staff not to do it since they're in that position. And yeah, again, maybe they don't know they're even doing it. It's not really anyone's fault here, but.. I am feeling shafted, and I wanted to tell you that. I really don't know what I'm looking for in this blog, but mostly I just wanted to let all these hard feelings go. What's the point in keeping this feeling when everyone around you is oblivious that something even happened?

On the MOTY feedback thread, I saw it derailing and I tried to bring the conversation back to trying to help improve the system. I wanted people to help me out. I wanted things to improve. I don't want people just to say "No we can't do that" and just move on. I appreciated the fact that Toujours and some others mentioned some previous posts and how we can find ways around things or building on ideas. That's the kind of stuff I want to see from everyone here for everything. I hate seeing things shot down and just left like that.

Don't get me wrong. It's not like everyone can agree with everything, but if you're gonna disagree with an idea or just shoot something down.. then PLEASE at least contribute something good! Maybe it's because I've been shot down here so many times it sorta hits home to me but.. heck.. this goes for everyone. I'm not an angel, and I'm sure I'm guilty of this myself, but I'm trying my best to be better! Though, I did also appreciate the Poll of the Week being brought back in OVP too, so thanks for listening there. It actually means quite a lot to me. I don't mean to say you guys should do everything I say. I guess what I'm trying to say is.. mods.. members.. I hope I don't sound selfish when I ask this of you, but please.. just give me a little bit more consideration. Please give people like me some consideration, too. We're just trying to make the place better. I'm still here after 8 and a half years because I like this place, and I love so many of you people here. So I ask, is it so hard to shove the popularity and favouritism aside and give me a chance?

Either way.. this blog isn't here to attack anyone in any way, but just to clear my head and clear up any resentment. If anyone feels insulted, I'll take it down right away, because I did call mention to a few people but I don't want to paint anyone in a bad light here. I just hope this blog gets whatever honest reception it deserves.

Thanks for reading.
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  1. Old Comment
    Broken_Arrow's Avatar
    wow!!i think caring to write how you truly feel in all those lines says that PC does means a lot to you!! sorry you feel this way though,i know how you feel as i been through the same in other forums......i like your honesty!

    Mods,you guys have to listen more!!!it's bad when you hurt someone who really cares a lot.....Good job,Kura

    all the best for PC
    Posted February 7th, 2013 at 1:28 PM by Broken_Arrow Broken_Arrow is offline
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    Sydian's Avatar
    You do realize that people can change their minds on something, right? I do it often, PC and non-PC stuff. Perhaps you worded it oddly and it didn't appeal to people until it was reworded by others. -shrug- I doubt people are just ignoring your suggestions just because it's you. But sometimes people can word something and make it sound...not as good, and then someone better with words can swindle someone into doing it their way or whatever, because they're just good with words. That make any sense?

    I wouldn't feel too down about this anyway. I mean, at least those changes end up going through, it seems.

    Mods,you guys have to listen more!!!it's bad when you hurt someone who really cares a lot.....Good job,Kura
    Laughing. I'm sorry, but...lol.
    Posted February 7th, 2013 at 1:36 PM by Sydian Sydian is offline
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    Originally Posted by Sydian View Comment
    Laughing. I'm sorry, but...lol.
    Don't take the piss.
    Posted February 7th, 2013 at 2:32 PM by Captain Fabio Captain Fabio is offline
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    Oryx's Avatar
    Suggestions are here to be built upon, not straightly shot down.
    PC has a huge issue with this :/
    Posted February 7th, 2013 at 3:29 PM by Oryx Oryx is offline
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    I feel the same way. This happens to me all the time. It bothers me a great deal that it happens in general, and there isn't much that I feel like I can do about it. But I agree with 100% of what you said.

    I wish you posted this in CQ&F instead of posting it in a blog, but then again, we'd probably get a ton of staff kiss assers who would post "What are you talking about the staff are great and they listen to everything and we're on the right track!!!!" Ugh.
    Posted February 7th, 2013 at 3:56 PM by
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    Sydian's Avatar
    I want to come back to this and say I'm not disagreeing with you. I didn't clearly state that before, so I'm sorry if it came off that way. But it just comes off to me that you didn't consider what I mentioned before, about people changing their minds or rewording things (for example, how I worded my first comment, it comes off strange lmao). I don't feel that peoples' suggestions should be ignored and they should get a response, but at the same time, you have to consider the other factors I mentioned in my previous comment. Sorry if I'm making no sense. v_v I feel like staff at least reads most suggestions, and I can't recall any flat out being ignored, but I'm sure I'm forgetting an instance.

    Don't take the piss.
    You don't even know why I was laughing.
    Posted February 7th, 2013 at 4:37 PM by Sydian Sydian is offline
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    colours's Avatar
    I was struggling to find the words to reply to this blog, and really, I still struggle with it, so please forgive me if anything I say doesn't make any sense. I'll try to explain/clarify the best that I can.

    It's really a shame that this problem exists within PC. I mean, no one really deserves to have their ideas and thoughts shot down, regardless of who they are. I mean sure, the only reason an idea would ever have to be "shot down" is if it needs to have improvements, or if something was missing, or something like that, y'know? But it to happen repeatedly is kind of a fair shame. I feel that, as a community, we can definitely improve on that. Y'know, give things a chance and whatnot, don't be so extra critical of people's ideas and compare the pros and cons of things to see whether or not it'd really work.

    It's also a shame that(and I know this exists) people are actually afraid to post anything in CQ&F in the fear that it would get shot down, and it really shouldn't be like that, and CQ&F shouldn't give off that kind of environment. But this blog overall really leaves me speechless and outlines the issues that is going on with suggesting various things around the community and having them overlooked, only having them approved on a later idea. @[email protected]; Kinda messed up, I know.

    Again, I apologize if anything I said was misleading. I tried my best.
    Posted February 7th, 2013 at 4:58 PM by colours colours is offline
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    Kura's Avatar
    Broken Arrow,
    I appreciate your sentiments so thanks!

    Sydian, it's totally understandable to change your mind, but it's a bit silly when it happens in less than 24 hours. Being phrased weirdly or not.. if people need clarification then.. why not ask? Either way, why not try and see something good in a suggestion instead and work with that? To agree with someone else while denying me over small details seems.. almost like no thought was given to what I had to say in the first place.
    Maybe you wouldn't feel down about it.. but I do. That's why I wrote this blog. Maybe what you say plays a factor, but I don't think I (or anyone else) should be completely disregarded because the comment wasn't some fully formed structured idea to begin with.
    I already said I know this isn't being done on purpose. But IMO, the process to a solution is just as important as the solution. I think it might be something everyone can try and work on, or at least be aware of.

    Toujours and Nick, I appreciate that you can see some truth in what I say. I didn't want to post it there because.. I didn't want it to be a mess and be devalued. These are my feelings and I just wanted to make the community aware of how I felt. I think we can only try and lead the community by trying to set a better example, because I notice people try and follow trends in threads (Like if OVPers start misreading the question in the first post, everyone afterwards will still answer like the first people answered.)

    Twilight Sky, thanks for your thoughts. I feel like.. even if the suggestion was shot down completely by someone.. in that post they could at least contribute something instead. I do appreciate that most people take the time to explain why they don't agree most of the time, but then things just turns into a thread of counter arguments.

    I've posted stuff in CQ&F before about some choices or behaviour that I observed and I didn't like.. (closing threads too quickly or closing instead of moving/merging threads that seemed to be happening a lot) and it turned into a big thing that was closed with people telling me that I should've just contacted staff or higher staff to begin with without making it public because they thought I was making a mockery of staff judgement. I thought that that was what that forum was for, though.
    But I basically only didn't get warned for it because I didn't know it would get such a big reaction, and I said I wouldn't do it again. Lo and behold, I'm not posting there anymore and I go to staff specifically for something now. No need to apologize. You're more than welcome to continue my sentiments on that forum, but as for me.. this blog was just more about letting my feelings out.

    Again, thanks for listening.
    Posted February 8th, 2013 at 11:17 AM by Kura Kura is offline
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    Honest's Avatar
    Oh wow. I didn't know my idea struck you so close to the heart, Kura. Oh god, I'm not even sure what to feel at the moment. Or say for that matter, honestly.

    It is unfair that you've basically been pushed aside like that, and have other people take credit for ideas and the like. I feel for you, honestly, and it makes total sense what you're saying.

    What I honestly feel is admiration. You have the guts to speak your mind, and that in and of itself means a whole lot. And I do believe that you were better off blogging instead of going to PCQ&F, cause as Nick said, asskissers.

    I just want to say that I respect you for voicing your opinion. Do I agree with you? I'm not going to say no, cause that's not true. Personally, I haven't gone through the stuff you have, so I can't make a call like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if such issues did exist. Should something be done? Yes, possible more thought behind actions.

    I'm not sure if anything I said hit what I truly felt, cause I wasn't sure how to word them. I just feel a little bad that I sorta took an idea you had and had it go through, while yours was shot down. I really am sorry for that Kura. Truly.

    That being said, at the very least we're both working on the thread together right? =D Yay for optimism!
    Posted February 11th, 2013 at 7:47 PM by Honest Honest is offline
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    Eeveelution Co-ordinator's Avatar
    About the matchmakers thing, maybe because it's valentines now? But anyway, I feel your pain, in reality my ideas aren't taken account of, but if someone else mentions it, they're praised by everyone! So I feel your pain...
    Posted February 18th, 2013 at 4:26 AM by Eeveelution Co-ordinator Eeveelution Co-ordinator is offline

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