Conversation Between Kianna and twocows
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  1. Kianna
    September 18th, 2010 5:25 PM
    Kianna
    I second that. Good day to you, sir.
  2. twocows
    September 18th, 2010 11:13 AM
    twocows
    I acknowledge your opinion, but unfortunately I cannot agree with it. I think it's best if we agree to disagree, I don't think discussing it further will change anything.
  3. Kianna
    September 18th, 2010 9:23 AM
    Kianna
    In mother nature's eyes, we are all equals. No animal is more deserving of the right to live than any other, no matter their intellectual capabilities or brute strength. While I respect your humanitarianism, I would think that, as good human beings, the very least we can do is to try to understand and help other animals, or at least not brutally kill them.
  4. twocows
    September 17th, 2010 10:34 PM
    twocows
    You certainly have the right to believe differently than me. However, I feel equally intolerant of people who place the life of a dung beetle on the same level as a human life. The reason humans are deserving of morality is because we have the capacity to choose our own life; we are not creatures ruled purely by instinct. People can have hopes, dreams, ambitions. They can create their own purpose for which to live. Depriving them of the potential to pursue those ends is something I find intolerable. Animals, however, have none of these things. However interesting their anatomy and whatever physical strength they may possess, they will never have dreams or ambitions. They cannot create a purpose for themselves. Their life is a simple interpretation of instinctual cues, no different from a computer or other machine except perhaps in the attachments we form with them. And, as you hinted at, a pack of hungry lions certainly won't care about our hopes or dreams, not unlike a sociopath murderer. I see no reason why I should treat them on the same level as humans.

    I did not watch the video for more than 30 seconds or a minute, so I did not hear people laughing. If that was what was happening, then those people must have been extremely desensitized to violence, which is probably a result of their culture and upbringing. I won't claim to understand such a culture, but perhaps some changes should be introduced if it is one that encourages violence. Violence against animals has been correlated with violence against humans, and while I'd rather not see either, the latter is completely intolerable.
  5. Kianna
    September 17th, 2010 7:46 PM
    Kianna
    I am sorry, but I have zero tolerance for people who support cruelty toward animals.

    Humans are in no way superior to other animals. The life of a human is just as valuable as that of an average dung beetle. Just because humans have great intellectual power, does not make us superior. We are frail animals. We are not fast, or strong, or good hunters. What other animals may lack in intellect, relative to humans, they make up for in strength. We may think we rule the world, but try telling that to a pack of hungry lions.


    "I understand that what appears to occurs in the video certainly appears to be inhumane"

    The understatement of the century. This video shows the raccoon dogs having their paws slit and shaken out of their skins alive, then having their bloodied bodies thrown onto a pile of others who went before them, often still alive through the whole thing. The workers are shown kicking the animals, and the worst part? These people are laughing in the background. Laughing. They enjoy their job. If these were humans that were getting torn out of their skins alive and kicked around like footballs, we wouldn't be laughing.

    I beg to differ. These animals are, in fact, aware of what is going on. How could they not be? They're growling and struggling violently to get away. You can see the fear in their eyes. Just because they don't think the same way as we do, and don't have the same level of intellectual power as we do, does not make them stupid.

    Now, PETA. PETA are radicals, not to mention hypocrites. I don't like PETA much. They say they are "saving" animals, but they kill more animals a year than they save in six years. But like I said. This video isn't linked to PETA, just posted by them. I can dig up more videos if you'd like, just let me know. This isn't the "exception" to the rule. This is commonplace in the meat and fur industries.
  6. twocows
    September 17th, 2010 6:23 PM
    twocows
    I don't appreciate your condescending attitude; please try to discuss this in a respectful manner. I apologize for misspelling "propaganda;" typos happen.

    I understand that what appears to occurs in the video certainly appears to be inhumane, but you yourself admitted that PETA selectively publishes things that help their agenda. What is shown is likely the exception, not the rule. Additionally, the people who are involved with this are in a situation to which I think neither of us could relate. Parts of China have a very low standard of living, and this business (regardless of how they conduct it) is likely all they can do to scrape by a living. These people probably don't have the money to spend on tools to ensure humane treatment of the animals.

    Personally, it doesn't bother me much, at least not on an intellectual level. It's a shame that better treatment isn't possible, but I hardly think that it's some horrible atrocity. These are only animals; they lack even the capacity to understand what is going on, nor could they ever develop such a capacity. Meanwhile, there are hundreds of millions of people suffering similarly horrifying fates whose plights remain unknown by the masses. I think that is an issue that is far more important.
  7. Kianna
    September 17th, 2010 2:14 PM
    Kianna
    You're missing the point, honey. I don't support PETA, and frankly, that's why. Did you even watch the video? Doesn't matter who posted it. The point is, it happens, and it's not okay. This video wasn't even taken by PETA. Any decent person would be horrified at the material in the video.

    Also, please learn to spell "propaganda".
  8. twocows
    September 17th, 2010 5:45 AM
    twocows
    PETA publishes propaganda skewed to their own set of beliefs. It's worth noting that they kill over a thousand animals per year at their headquarters on the east coast.
  9. Kianna
    September 16th, 2010 11:08 PM
    Kianna
    Watch this video, please. -.- From start to finish.

    http://features.peta.org/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp