Conversation Between Varius and Hands
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  1. Hands
    June 24th, 2017 9:27 AM
    I understand fully why you brought up Eastern Europe, you panicked when you couldn't bizarrely blame the economy for the riots in France and Britain so you used a half backed and incorrect stance that became semi popular among right wing social media spaces after a false meme was shared. You didn't even realise that Poland (the only country you managed to name) had a more robust social state than the US. Your whole point fell to pieces with that. Countries with less welfare would have to actually have less welfare to begin with, I mean that'd be a good place to start.

    You have zero, zero evidence to back your claim that austerity does not lead to individuals becoming violent and virtually every historical event linked to it says otherwise. Hodgkinson's social media accounts were full of criticisms particularly of austerity, cuts and republican corruption. He was found with a list of six congressmen he planned to target, all with specific voting records around Austerity. Scalise wasn't shot simply because of political opinion, he was shot because of his political record in office. You can't even grasp that basic fact.

    No one is suggesting we just go out and shoot Trump supporters and if Hodgkinson had done that I'd of condemned him. He didn't. He didn't attack randoms in the street simply for not sharing his beliefs.

    I don't even want to deal with your idiotic rhetoric around Castro but I guess, for the sixth time, I'm going to have to.

    Castro was not the "head of the army" Cienfuegos was. Castro's role in the Cuban Military post revolution was the same as the US president being "Commander in Chief". I know you've made zero effort to be even remotely bothered by fact during this but I'd be interested in seeing you try and disprove the constitution.
  2. Hands
    June 24th, 2017 8:46 AM
    I haven't lost dick buttercup, I simply didn't want the infractions for continuing. I'll happily dismantling every idiotic, hypocritical bit of backpedaling you throw out here if you wish.

    What violence rhetoric did Bernie Sanders put forward then? I don't recall him offering to pay the legal bills of anyone who beat up peaceful protestors at this rallies.
  3. Varius
    June 23rd, 2017 10:11 AM
    And by the way, the use of Eastern European countries as my argument was about how their lesser welfare state did not cause civil unrest, and that Greece had a weakening economy that would drive riots, thus being a counterpoint to Hodgekins being radicalized over austerity measures. It is still within the realm of discussion.

    You asked why all of those attempts on Castro's life isn't terrorism, and I told you he was a military target and then said that Trump isn't. Violence is being directed towards Trump and the GOP by people like Hodgekins. The only reason you are resulting to "muh derailing" is because you believe you have lost the argument and want to leave.
  4. Varius
    June 23rd, 2017 9:36 AM
    Every time you veered off the topic, it was to try to bring up examples that were against my points. I said that people like Hodgekins aren't motivated by austerity but by violent rhetoric, and then you bring up the Austerity Riots. I bring up that he is committing terrorism, you bring up Oswald and Castro.

    Hell, you've even went off on tangents about your personal heroes. I am not making tangents, I am merely defending my points. You are disillusioned and trying to defend the fact that you've admitted defeat.
  5. Hands
    June 23rd, 2017 9:33 AM
    You said that austerity does not push certain people to violence, I used Greece, among others, as an example of how that was not the case, to which you went off on a Tanganyika about eastern European countries you don't know much about. I said political assassinations were sent to convince terrorism so you went on one about how Castro wasn't a civilian despite being a non combatant and a political head of state for nearly a decade before the USA started commiting terrorism against him. Every time I have veered off topic it has been in response to someone other tangent you've come up with
  6. Varius
    June 23rd, 2017 8:59 AM
    In the entire thread, I was merely defending my points. My points for austerity were within the realm of the discussion because I was saying they do not justify violence and were less likely going to motivate Hodgekin's actions.

    Regarding the whole terrorism debacle, it is related because I am saying that attacking civilians (no matter what class they are) with political motives is terrorism, and thus Hodgekins is a terrorist.

    What is your point in claiming "muh tangents" when I am still within the realms of discussion, and if wasn't, it was brought upon you bringing a litany of events not related to the discussion?
  7. Hands
    June 23rd, 2017 8:51 AM
    To which you went off on numerous tangents as opposed to answering them in context of the topic.
  8. Varius
    June 23rd, 2017 8:20 AM
    I am aware he is dead, and that his brother is the current person in charge. Sure, referring to him in present tense can be confusing, true, but I was just bringing up a point.

    And by the way, if I am derailing the thread, you would be the one starting it. After all, I've only said that the guy's motive wasn't austerity and that he was committing terrorism. You tried challenging my points with examples like Greece and the amount of assassination attempts Castro has.
  9. Hands
    June 23rd, 2017 8:12 AM
    I'm not replying to you derailing the thread any further but I thought I should probably tell you castro is dead and has been for a while so I'm really not sure why you're talking about him in present tense