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Conversation Between Nah and gimmepie
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  1. gimmepie
    January 28th, 2021 1:59 PM
    Yeah, that was all stuff I'd pretty much figured out. I choose to interpret as not a biological relation for my own sanity though.
  2. Nah
    January 28th, 2021 1:09 PM
    I'll leave the spoiler here I guess

    So I take it that you know by now that Rhea/Seiros is Sothis's daughter, and that Byleth was an attempt by Rhea to bring her back. The scene before the final battle in Silver Snow explicitly confirms this. It then goes on to say that Rhea is possibly Byleth's grandmother (and so Sothis is their great-grandmother).

    I say "possibly" because the game words it in such a way that it's not 100% clear if there is in fact any genetic relation between Rhea and Byleth's mother. The phrasing iirc is that Rhea "created" Sitri. I've always personally interpreted it as that Rhea really is Byleth's biological grandmother, as I feel that they worded the dialogue the way they did in order to make people not feel uncomfortable with the idea that a character, especially a semi-self insert character, can S-support their own grandma (they did something similar in Fates too).
  3. gimmepie
    December 26th, 2020 3:09 PM
    I'll definitely keep advice from the expert in mind!
  4. Nah
    December 26th, 2020 2:07 PM
    feel free to come to me with any questions you might end up having about the game whenever you start playing it
  5. gimmepie
    December 26th, 2020 1:56 PM
    Now that is useful info.
  6. Nah
    December 26th, 2020 1:47 PM
    I'd take a lot of opinions on Three Houses with a grain of salt, given how absolutely rabid a lot of people are about their feelings regarding certain things, but at the same time it's best to play through all 3 routes and there's not any clear intended order, so you can do them in whichever order you like.

    One thing I'll note for you though since the game doesn't make it very clear: Whenever it is that you pick the Black Eagle house, in order to stay on the Black Eagles route and not go down the game's 4th route (which is not worth doing), you have to have Edelgard at support level C+ or higher before chapter 11, and then talk to her during chapter 11 and agree to go on a trip with her when she asks you. If you don't you'll be locked into doing the 4th route instead of having the choice to.
  7. gimmepie
    December 26th, 2020 1:26 PM
    Not sure, but I have been told to save blue for last cause it's the best.
  8. Nah
    December 26th, 2020 1:13 PM
    Also will be cashing in some gift cards to get Fire Emblem: Three Houses in the near future.
    Any idea which route/house you're gonna do first?
  9. gimmepie
    September 21st, 2020 8:33 PM
    The overarching plot wasn't handled super well. It was like it started as a character-centred game and then, suddenly, at the end they're like "actually we want you to save the world" - the stuff always going on in the background and your inability to involve yourself in it was not at all conducive to the finally they had written. Before that though, when it was mostly just about the characters undergoing their various journeys, it was nice.

    Character-wise, Hop is what Hau was supposed to be. He's a nice guy, but he's also been living in Leon's shadow for so long that he defines himself entirely by his brother's success and constantly compares himself to him. Somewhat less explored, but he's also constantly occupying this unfortunate juxtaposition of trying to be a supportive friend and trying to beat you. His overall character arc, including the post game where it actually ends, is very satisfying. He goes from defining himself by his brothers success, to his defining himself by his inability to measure up to that success and then, finally, to accepting his individuality and choosing his own path.

    Bede is amusingly similar to Hop, but the jerkass version. He defines himself entirely by his selection by Chairman Rose, but instead of a buried inferiority complex - because Rose isn't a trainer really - it gives him a superiority complex instead. He thinks because he was endorsed by Rose, he's destined for greatness and he bases his entire identity around that. He's also supremely grateful to Rose for what he's given him, so he goes to extreme lengths to prove his worth. As the story goes on, he gets abandoned by the man he thought he idolised and thrown out of the league, he has to find a new path and an identity for himself.

    Marnie is kind of the inverse of the other two rivals. She's already carved out her own identity for herself in a way, a much healthier one really. She's got her own personality and her own mission. The problematic stuff comes from Team Yell, but I'll get into that later. Again though, thing don't go the way she wants and she has to adapt, instead following in the footsteps of Piers. Marnie did have a problem though: lack of screen time. It was difficult to explore her character since she didn't really appear that often comparatively and a lot of her character was through the lens of Yell's idolisation of her.

    Speaking of Yell, they were more characters who defined themselves entirely by their relationship to another character. To the point of an unhealthy obsession that lead to them doing things that made life difficult for everyone around them, even though they had good intentions. Oleana is similar, she's totally dedicated to Rose, just like Bede, and never questions him - to the point of idolisation really. She's a villain simply because of her dedication to Rose and mission to make his plans succeed. Her entire life revolves around him. Rose himself has an obsession of his own, but instead of a character it's a problem. The energy crisis he talks about is very real, but he becomes so focused on the problem of the future that he's willing to sacrifice the present.

    Those are some pretty deep and complex characters, especially for a Pokemon game and one could easily write compelling stories just following any one of them. Perhaps the biggest limit on them is that you only get to view them through the eyes of the protagonist. Plus, there's interesting recurring themes throughout the game, because of these characters, - individuality, finding your own path and the dangers of obsession and fanaticism.

    I haven't even touched on Sonia who probably has the best arc of all of them, but there you go. The actual plot wasn't particularly amazing, but the character writing was really solid.
  10. Nah
    September 21st, 2020 12:16 PM
    We can talk about it more in VM/DM/PM if you want!
    y'know I probably should have just gone to VMs/PMs first lol, but oh well

    So anyway, I kinda don't really see where the complexity is in any of SwSh's characters or how the plot is well-written. It actually reminds me a lot of XY's story in that the base premise of both the overall plot and some of the characters were great, but it never delivered unfortunately.
  11. gimmepie
    March 21st, 2018 2:48 PM
    You didn't need to credit me haha
  12. Nah
    March 21st, 2018 11:27 AM
  13. gimmepie
    January 31st, 2018 7:21 AM
    100% accurate paraphrasing.
  14. Nah
    January 31st, 2018 6:58 AM
  15. gimmepie
    July 24th, 2017 1:47 AM
    I wish I'd known about it earlier yeah :')