Conversation Between Charaxes and Vernikova
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January 6th, 2011 6:41 PMCharaxesMight be the conversion process, as some of them on the file look different when uploaded. But in fairness, the image was part of a small 6 panel page. Could be that.
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January 6th, 2011 6:37 PMVernikovaIt was smaller than I thought it would be. Maybe it's just me?
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January 6th, 2011 6:32 PMCharaxesFor now. Yeah.
I'll post on something, soon, one of my new threads, most likely. -
January 6th, 2011 6:30 PMVernikovaYay~
I have to see it in a post to give my opinion on it. -
January 6th, 2011 6:25 PMCharaxesFair enough.
Yeah, it was time to change my avatar. -
January 6th, 2011 6:23 PMVernikovaThey didn't have it because the people didn't have it. That's why they were voted in for after all. And technically, they did finish the war, they just didn't win it.
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January 6th, 2011 6:18 PMCharaxesExactly, and the new Congress didn't have the will or the desire. I could live with the lack of desire, but once you start a war, finish what you started.
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January 6th, 2011 6:14 PMVernikovaAnd that's what the Vietnamese did. They outlasted us and hit us where it hurts the most: at home not with physical violence but with their gorilla war tactics.
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January 6th, 2011 6:09 PMCharaxesI don't disagree, but war isn't something you can just time easily. Sometimes, the only way to win is to outlast your opponent, as it is all about willpower. Unfortunately, that's hard to do in our one-hour photo, instant oatmeal world. It has to be immediately and painless, which war isn't.
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January 6th, 2011 6:06 PMVernikovaWell, i guess that's what happen when you can't produce results effectively as well as in a timely manner.
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January 6th, 2011 5:56 PMCharaxesI don't disagree, to a point. Although, they did change tactics, especially with the bombing of Hanoi. Oh, the Left and MSM got mad about that, but that's how we got the Paris Accords. And then, the new Congress came.
The author I cited, Herschensohn, in a recent radio interview, he said on a meeting President Ford had with the new Congress. He begged them not to cut off the funding, and many walked out of him. That's cold, actually. That will stick with me, to be sure. And, a month after that meeting (and their walking out), Saigon fell. Sighs. -
January 6th, 2011 5:49 PMVernikovaThe case New York Times vs. U. S. certainly didn't help either. Honestly, there really wasn't anyway we were going to win that war. Weren't we using regular war tactics (Sending in troops to fight directly) and getting our ass handed to us because of the environment? The same thing that is happening right now in Asia.
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January 6th, 2011 5:40 PMCharaxesThere is a two-fold effect. Part of the anti-war's opposition was the draft. Once Nixon got rid of that, most of the opposition went away in that respect. Read Michael Medved or David Horowitz, as they were anti-war liberals in those days. (Now, they're both conservative.)
Secondly, don't underestimate the media influence, like Walter Crondike. Everyone in the Mainstream Media then were anti-war, and they formed the narrative, and we then went with the narrative. It was a lot different than it is now, as it was more pretty monolithic.
I found the Democrats' opposition amusing in a morbid way, as it was John Kennedy who started it. I understood why, as we eventually saw in the Killing Fields, why we should have stayed. Why I don't like Communism, but that's for another topic. -
January 6th, 2011 5:34 PMVernikovaWell, once word got out of what was really happening out the in Vietnam, I wouldn't have been surprised if the support for the war went down. Nobody likes to fight a battle that involves killing innocent people.
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January 6th, 2011 5:25 PMCharaxesGotcha. I thought my latest comment was eaten up. Heh.
"That wasn't the tragedy, per se. Read "An American Amnesia" by Bruce Herschensohn, as he pinpoints what really happened with the war. The military won it, as the Paris Accords were our victory. But, there was a election post Nixon's impeachment, the new Congress (who were anti-war Democrats) defunded our efforts and wanted us out immediately. It was all about the defunding.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Amnes.../dp/0825306329
That's why we lost, and we, as a culture, instantly forgot it. I'll address the effects of such and other fun tidbits, after you process what I said. You asked, so here you go. I didn't want to be political, but that's where the loss was originally from."


