Conversation Between Celest8 and Chαmpion Leaf
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April 27th, 2010 2:56 PMCelest8I haven't kept track of it either since the Advanced episodes. Battle Frontier was when I stopped watching, and I will admit, it had a lot to do with the voice actor/actress changes. xD May did have very good character development in the show. It wasn't overdone, like Dawn's. To be honest, Ash was one of my favorite characters at first, but I feel that he's gotten too "soft", and some of the things he does/says are just dumb. He irritates me now. And yeah his original outfit was pretty epic. =/ Unfortunately, Dawn won't be replaced by Kotone. Kotone is in the anime at the moment, but her anime lifespan is from 5-10 episodes I believe. They probably just put her in there to promote the new games, because she has no real role. As for her personality, she's alright. A little annoying/stupid at times, but nothing like Dawn. xD I like Kotone better in the games, though.
Ah, I've never gotten to try the Stadium games, but yes, I've heard they're very fun. ^^ I hope you don't mind me asking, but how is Lance in Stadium? Lol.
Omg I know. Some of the fanfics out there are so random and just ridiculous. I've only found a select few that I really like and that are well-written, which is sad because there are SO MANY of them...
Haha even just minor things like that bug me too, especially when it comes to my favorite characters. I liked the addition of the badges on the strap. Very nice. ^^
Sure! I'd be more than happy to answer any questions. I think Red was very much in character, since he doesn't seem to have a very "outgoing" personality anyway. You got him spot on, in my opinion. I thought Gary was good, but I will admit, his perviness levels were over 9,000. xD Then again, that'd pretty much be how almost any boy that age would treat a girl in a mini-skirt. Haha. But I thought all around, you did a good job on him. And yes, Leaf was just perfect. That is exactly how I would expect her character to act. Mature for her age, not willing to put up with any creeps, and a helpful person. The perfect heroine personality. ^^ Nicely interpreted, and very well-written.
Agreed! I wish there could've been more funny scenes with them in the game. Although another scene I found amusing was right before the double battle with Lance and Clair. I think you'll somewhat enjoy this little piece of art pertaining to that scene: http://chaoru.deviantart.com/art/Tag-Battle-asdf-160564167
Then again, I'm a big shipper, so I always find that kind of stuff cute. -
April 27th, 2010 1:12 PMChαmpion LeafI haven't really watched since the Indigo League, though I've seen a few of the GBA episodes here and there. I never liked May in the games, but she was pretty likable in the show--surprisingly. I'm annoyed they changed Ash's classic costume. I never liked him either, but it's a classic! Argh. As far as Dawn, have they replaced her with Kotone by now? How's she?
Yeah, I've only played the first two Stadium games, for the N64. Those were tremendously fun, though. There weren't any trainers issuing orders, though. That would have made it a lot more fun.
Crazy fans indeed. I suppose it's better than the fanservice fanfics that are out there--as those can be written without any skill, but fanart does require talent.
Alright. I was trying to make the change as unobtrusive as possible. I have no skill with shading and/or perspective though, which is why I wasn't able to do much with the hair on the right--but the left was corrected pretty heavily. I'm glad it worked out, the error was driving me crazy.
Hm. Well, maybe I can ask specific questions for feedback. What did you think of the characters? How's Red? Was Gary good, or did he seem a little too pervy? How about Leaf herself? Did her personality seem authentic? Does she act like a 14 year old girl would?
Silver and Kotone are pretty hilarious together. It's a shame we don't know what her personality is really like, though, I wonder how she'd really react in a situation like that. -
April 27th, 2010 12:50 PMCelest8That, and her over-developed character in the anime. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but in the first few episodes she was in, it really felt like they were pushing her character on us. I mean I know it's not really anything, but it took a long time for May to get her own ending, while Dawn had hers as soon as her debut. =/
I've never actually played Battle Revolution, but I've seen videos of the gameplay on YouTube. It honestly didn't interest me at all, and was much different from that awesome trailer. Why must Nintendo tease us like that? T.T
Well, some people enjoy that stuff. Crazy fangirls/fanboys out there. xD As for the icon, I think they both look nice. I can't tell yours is photoshopped at all, so you might as well use it, since her hair has been corrected. ^^
I wish I could read the manga, but I can't find the full thing anywhere. And of course, the only parts I'd be interested in reading are Lance's, just to get a better take on what he's like. I'm still sort of shocked that he's downright evil, though. Totally threw me off when I first heard it.
I left a small review, although I guess it can't really be coinsidered much of a review, can it? xD I'm not the best at critiquing things, so just a heads up: Expect simpleton things like "Wow! That was really cool!", etc.
To be honest, I'm not really sure what's going on in the one I linked either. It's a reference to some sort of video game, but I found it funny anyway. Especially Silver in the first two panels. He looks so devious. xD -
April 27th, 2010 12:28 PMChαmpion LeafSadly, Dawn seems to be one of the more popular heroines. I bet it's for her ample... characterization. Hah!
Yeah, the trailer looks pretty amazing. If the game were anything like that, I'd probably have gotten a Wii in order to play it.
Yeah, there's a *lot* of "fanservice" on Pokesho. I took a look through the gallery yesterday and I was mildly disturbed. I don't know why anyone would want to do that. It's not like the Pokemon characters are meant to be attractive. :p Thankfully, at least the character icons are nice and neat. Sadly, I just noticed that they mirror flipped Leaf's bangs--it's a minor thing, but it's going to bug me a lot. I'm not very good at photoshopping, but I did try to painstakingly fix it... I'm not sure if it works out nicely. I also added the gym badges to her bag strap, too, while I was at it. :D
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6189/leafpokesho.png (original hair)
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http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7441/leafpokesho3.png (attempt at fixed hair)
So what do you think looks better? The original, or my attempt at correcting it?
As for Lance in the manga: yeahhh he's fairly scary. It doesn't seem like him at all--but then as far as I know, the manga takes a lot of liberties with various characters.
And great! I look forward to what you have to say about the story. :)
As for the link, huh, odd. They must have something against remote linking. I'm sure you get the idea though--these pictures tend to have a common theme. I'm rather confused by the one you linked, though. I'm not at all sure what's going on. :p -
April 27th, 2010 6:41 AMCelest8Well, it would definately make more sense. But, really Nintendo? 11 years old is just pushing it. That fact, plus her already skimpy DP outfit, PLUS the even shorter skirt in Platinum, makes her entire character just obnoxious.
I REALLY wish they wouldn't have replaced May with Dawn...although that's another matter all together. But yes, I have seen that trailer before, and got excited to know that she would be a playable character. Then later trailers came out, and I was like "Where did she go?" Ugh. To be honest, that trailer looks better than the actual game itself. Haha.
It is incredible. I had no idea Poke-sho was even a fansite when I first went there. I thought it was the real deal, until I saw all of the fanservice pictures, then I realized something was up. xD Oh I know. It's so difficult to navigate my way around there because I have no idea what I'm clicking on 90% of the time. =/
I haven't actually read the manga either, but I have seen a few scans from it, and heard people describe what he's like in the manga. He's psycho. Point blank. Lol. Altough I can't say I dislike it. It's rather...interesting to view Lance from a different perspective. Don't get me wrong, though; I much prefer him in the games. ^^
I surely will. =) Sorry I have to keep putting it off. >.< I'll read it when I get home later. Looking forward to it. And okay, just checking. I browse through Bulbagarden's forums from time to time, but don't actually have an account there.
I got a 404 error for the link that you posted, saying that it's been moved or deleted. For reference though, I have seen quite a few interpretations of that scene, especially over at deviantart.com. I have to say, I found them all funny. Check out this one: http://torappu.deviantart.com/art/Kotone-TR-stripping-scene-140414952
Hahaha another totally OOC Kotone, but great nonetheless. -
April 26th, 2010 9:25 PMChαmpion LeafWell, I think that fanservice was the idea from the very beginning. I mean, the DP outfit is pretty skimpy in is own right. I don't begrudge them their moneymaking strategies, I just wish that they'd stop making the protagonists so young if they want to do that. They can't have it both ways, as much as they'd like. Just making them teens at the very least might help: and it at least wouldn't send the wrong message to kids.
...and you're right, the skirt IS even shorter in Platinum. I hadn't even noticed before. What's their deal? Are they implying that she has nothing else on underneath the coat? Good grief.
Yeah, they completely ignored her. They didn't have to replace May or anything--they could have just given her a cameo. But nope, not even that. Everyone seems to ignore her. I mean, she was supposed to be in Pokemon Battle Revolution too and they cut her. Have you seen the amazing trailer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgraCePaHGk&fmt=18
Sad.
Yes, I got my avatar from Pokesho--the style is a bit distinctive, no? It's the closest I've seen to matching Sugimori's actual art, it's incredible. I wish I could read Japanese so I could browse their main gallery, though.
Oh, I haven't ever read the magna. I've heard he's very, very different, though.
Alright, then, do let me know what you think about it when you get to it. I don't post on fanfiction.net though--the other place I posted it was over at Bulbagarden. :)
Have you ever seen that amusing little cartoon someone drew about that scene? http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/prove_it_hag.jpg It's hilarious, although I don't know if Kotone's response is all that accurate. Saying that he did it to help you reminded me of it, though--talk about an awfully convenient justification for ripping someone's clothes off! -
April 26th, 2010 9:03 PMCelest8I do like her outfit, but yeah, her age does kinda ruin it. =/ And the stockings/boots combo does not help at ALL. -.-; Now Platinum, I totally agree. They felt the need to make her skirt even shorter, it looked like. I'm willing to bet they were seriously aiming for fanservice when they designed her like that. Poor Dawn. Haha.
I know! Leaf does not get enough love. Period. I mean, what a waste of a fantastic character! She didn't even get one of the special episodes or anything. T.T
Well, I got two of my Lance avatars from Poke-sho, which is where you got your avatar, correct? If not, my apologies. ^^;
Yeah, he was definately a bit stuck up in Gen I. Haha. And in the manga he is just SCARY. His lines when he lost in GSC/HGSS were perfect, though. He doesn't make you feel like you've done something wrong. xD
Alright, thanks. =) I'll be sure to check it out tomorrow, as I am going to bed soon. I'll be more than happy to leave a review. ^^ Also, if you have a fan-fiction.net account, let me know. I have one, so I'll leave you a review there as well.
You're right. I was thinking of that scene from a girl's POV, hence my OOC Lance moment. Haha. Lance is far too well-composed to do something like that.
True, and even though what Silver did in that scene was without a doubt uncalled for, he was doing it to, dare I say, help you. xD I always found Silver to be an amusing character, so it makes me happy to know that the player eventually gets on his good side. =3 -
April 26th, 2010 7:30 PMChαmpion LeafOh, I can't stand Dawn's character design. Wearing an outfit like that, at her age? What a hussy! Leaf's drawn so that she looks 13-14, so her miniskirt and tank top are fine, but Dawn looks 11 and is dressed far too inappropriately. And then in Platinum, they give her a coat to better fit the climate, but it has no pants? What's the point? Bleh.
I'd love to see Kotone and Leaf interact. It's a shame the anime pretends she doesn't exist, though, and HG/SS does as well. It'd have been a great moment on Mt. Silver to have those two meet up.
Quite a few Lance avatars, eh? May I get a sneak preview?
Yeah, the artwork does occasionally make him look old--but the dialogue specifies that he's still a young man. I expect he's in his early to mid twenties, I think. I like that they made him far more heroic in GenII--the originals just made him seem like some arrogant sot who couldn't believe that he lost. In GSC and its remakes, he's not only compassionate and courageous--but he's even pleased to have lost to a young new trainer!
As for my fic, here's the link to it on this forum: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=216626
I hope you enjoy it. Please let me know what you think!
And I don't know about Lance punching him. I'd have cackled in amusement if I were him, I think. I think I'd be much more inclined towards punching if I were Kotone and he'd just ripped my clothes off. Talk about disturbing.
But you have a very good point. You have to remember, though, that Silver's objection to Team Rocket is not that they're criminal thugs (after all, so's he!) but that they're weak. Hardly laudable, I should think. -
April 26th, 2010 7:11 PMCelest8Agreed. I can't exactly pinpoint why, but I'm not all that fond of Dawn. I like her character design, but that's about it. Haha. Come to think of it, yeah! They do match in some ways. It'd be cute to see them interact in a game or the anime someday. ^^ I definately plan to use a Lance avatar, since I have quite a few. I'll be switching to him in a couple of weeks, most likely.
I liked how he acted in the anime. He just seemed like an all-around nice guy. =) We're on the same page though, seeing as how I too prefer his character design in HG/SS. The ONLY thing that bothered me just a slight bit was his eyebrows. Funny that I say that though, because really the only picture of him that I don't like his eyebrows in is his artwork for the games. He looks...old. He looks very nice in the actual game, though. ^^
He does have some cool dialogue, I have to say. And that line definately stands out.
Sure! I'd love to read it. I enjoy reading fanfics. =)
That must've been crazy. xD Although if I was Lance, I would've punched Silver out if he did that. <.< I mean, really...what a little brat. Then again, you have to see it from Silver's POV as well, and how it pains him to see someone whom he thought was a reliable and well-rounded trainer all of a sudden become a Rocket member. -
April 26th, 2010 6:54 PMChαmpion LeafKotone's quite nice. Definitely an improvement on Dawn, I think, as far as female characters go. I like her because she seems to have the same color pattern as Leaf: red and white hat, blue and red outfit, and they're both brunettes. You should use Lance at some point, though, yes. Then we could be a duo of reverse avatars.
He was pretty heroic in the anime, and I do like that they mentioned his Elite Four status. I'm not a fan of how they drew him, though--his FRLG outfit is my least favorite, and his hair was so waxy it looked like it was made out of a jolly rancher or something. Blech. I much prefer the shading in HG/SS.
His line in the original is my favorite: "Dragons are mythical Pokemon. They're hard to catch and raise, but their powers are superior!"
Dragons, Leaf, and Lance are my favorite things about Pokemon--and I've just begun writing a story featuring at least the first two. I can link you, should you be interested.
Yeah, it was pretty fun. It's also interesting when all the trainers are like "whoa, what are you?!" when you beat them, because it fits Lance so well. By far my favorite moment, though, was when Silver stripped my disguised character to reveal--LANCE! It was brilliant. -
April 26th, 2010 6:44 PMCelest8I think it was a good decision indeed. =) I also had a rough time deciding between a Lance or Kotone avatar... >.< I had to choose the Kotone one. It looked like it was begging me. D: Lol. I'll use my Lance one eventually.
Definately! Not bad at all. And he made two awesome appearances in the anime, although his second appearance was a bit random, I have to admit. xD Although I enjoyed every minute of it. ^^
Wow! That is so neat! Haha it must've been funny when you got to that said double battle in the Rocket hideout. Lance teams up with...Lance! The Rockets must've been like "lolwut o.O". -
April 26th, 2010 6:36 PMChαmpion LeafThanks! I had a bit of indecision, since people seem to determine genders by avatars, but I decided it was good enough that I couldn't pass up the chance.
Lance could definitely use a bit more spotlight, but I can't argue with his prominence--at least he got to reappear in a significant way in GSC, allowing him to come back in the remakes as well. That means he's been in every game generation, and that's not bad! Also, because of that awesome dual battle in HG/SS, we have a backsprite for him.
That means it's possible to make a mod of the game where you can play AS Lance.
And I've done so: http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7159/lance.png
It makes the game a whoooole lot more interesting. -
April 26th, 2010 6:32 PMCelest8Hello, and welcome to the forums, Champion Leaf! Thanks for dropping by and leaving a message. It's nice to meet you too. =) Ah, Lance is amazing. I wish he'd get a bit more spotlight, but hey, I can't complain. His scenes/moments are always awesome. ^^
I like your avatar! Leaf is a cool character as well. =) -
April 26th, 2010 5:01 PMChαmpion LeafHi there. Your avatar text caught my attention, as Lance is my favorite (sometimes second) character in the franchise. I was going to register as "Champion Lance" here, but alas I was beaten to the punch, it seems. Alas.
Anyway, it's nice to meet a fellow dragon/Lance fan. :)

