Conversation Between BettyNewbie and Cerberus87
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  1. BettyNewbie
    July 19th, 2015 8:33 AM
    BettyNewbie
    I see what you mean. But I'm approaching this with the POV of the player. To the player, it doesn't make much of a difference to have only one of a certain type if it's a good Pokémon that fits into most teams, like Gengar. You're not "meant" to use only Pokémon of a same type.
    No a doesn't, but a game has serious issues if the NPC teams aren't up to snuff. When Elite Four members have to use Dupes and NFEs to fill space, that's a pretty big problem. People (rightfully) bash Glacia for having an awful team, but Lance and Agatha aren't any better. If anything, they're even worse, since even Glacia, at least, still had the "correct" monotype. She wasn't a "Dragon" Master with a mono-Flying team or a "Ghost" Master with a mono-Poison team.

    Flygon's type was unique when it came out, and inherently better than Dragon/Bug since Flygon had access to Earthquake and strong Bug moves were scarce.
    Yes, you could argue that Dragon/Ground has better competitive value, but storywise, it's far worse. Ground is just a generic filler type, akin to Flying, while Bug would make it something other than "just a dragon." Too many (non-Legendary) dragons in Pokémon are just plain old dragons without any other special characteristics.
  2. Cerberus87
    July 19th, 2015 6:46 AM
    Cerberus87
    Mewtwo is an awesome Pokémon, but a team of 6 Mewtwos doesn't make you a Psychic Master.
    I see what you mean. But I'm approaching this with the POV of the player. To the player, it doesn't make much of a difference to have only one of a certain type if it's a good Pokémon that fits into most teams, like Gengar. You're not "meant" to use only Pokémon of a same type.

    Still the same boring typings repeated over and over. Why couldn't Flygon have been Dragon/Bug? And, Altaria should've just been retconned to Dragon/Fairy. :rolleyes2:
    Flygon's type was unique when it came out, and inherently better than Dragon/Bug since Flygon had access to Earthquake and strong Bug moves were scarce.
  3. BettyNewbie
    July 18th, 2015 7:04 PM
    BettyNewbie
    The first part, however, has some truth in it. But that's because I'm the kind of person who thinks that, if your only choice is a great one, and let's face it, Gengar and Dragonite are amazing Pokémon, there isn't much problem.
    Mewtwo is an awesome Pokémon, but a team of 6 Mewtwos doesn't make you a Psychic Master.

    Well, Flygon and Garchomp play much different. Same with Dragonite and Salamence. Now Altaria has a Dragon/Fairy Mega, so it became unique.
    Still the same boring typings repeated over and over. Why couldn't Flygon have been Dragon/Bug? And, Altaria should've just been retconned to Dragon/Fairy. :rolleyes2:
  4. Cerberus87
    July 18th, 2015 6:32 PM
    Cerberus87
    Well, it stands upright and has no wool, so it clearly isn't 100% sheep. Also, its body shape has always reminded me a little of Dragonite's, but with the wings lopped off.

    Besides, it's not like there isn't any (non-Legendary) Electric/Dragon types, anyways. In fact, if you take out the Legendaries and Megas, there are exactly FOUR fully-evolved Dragons with unique typings--Kingdra, Hydreigon, Dragalge, and Tyrantrum (who's only part-Rock because its a fossil). That's just awful! Why are Pokémon dragons so boring?
    Well, Flygon and Garchomp play much different. Same with Dragonite and Salamence. Now Altaria has a Dragon/Fairy Mega, so it became unique.
  5. Cerberus87
    July 18th, 2015 6:30 PM
    Cerberus87
    Says the guy who thinks that Gen 1 has an amazing Pokédex and that Lance and Agatha have the best, most exciting E4 teams ever. :rolleyes2:
    C'mon, I never said that. I just said it wasn't such a big problem as you think.

    The first part, however, has some truth in it. But that's because I'm the kind of person who thinks that, if your only choice is a great one, and let's face it, Gengar and Dragonite are amazing Pokémon, there isn't much problem.
  6. BettyNewbie
    July 18th, 2015 6:23 PM
    BettyNewbie
    Speaking of diversity, I feel like the Kalos games are a pizza restaurant with too many menu choices.
    Says the guy who thinks that Gen 1 has an amazing Pokédex and that Lance and Agatha have the best, most exciting E4 teams ever. :rolleyes2:
  7. BettyNewbie
    July 18th, 2015 6:18 PM
    BettyNewbie
    C'mon, the only reason Mega Ampharos is Electric/Dragon is fanservice! It evolves from a ****ing sheep, how could it be a dragon? It's named like that in Japanese, but that's only really his name. Prior to 6th gen Ampharos learned no Dragon moves that I know of.
    Well, it stands upright and has no wool, so it clearly isn't 100% sheep. Also, its body shape has always reminded me a little of Dragonite's, but with the wings lopped off.

    Besides, it's not like there isn't any (non-Legendary) Electric/Dragon types, anyways. In fact, if you take out the Legendaries and Megas, there are exactly FOUR fully-evolved Dragons with unique typings--Kingdra, Hydreigon, Dragalge, and Tyrantrum (who's only part-Rock because its a fossil). That's just awful! Why are Pokémon dragons so boring?
  8. Cerberus87
    July 18th, 2015 6:17 PM
    Cerberus87
    Speaking of diversity, I feel like the Kalos games are a pizza restaurant with too many menu choices. :P
  9. Cerberus87
    July 18th, 2015 6:09 PM
    Cerberus87
    C'mon, the only reason Mega Ampharos is Electric/Dragon is fanservice! It evolves from a psyducking sheep, how could it be a dragon? It's named like that in Japanese, but that's only really his name. Prior to 6th gen Ampharos learned no Dragon moves that I know of.
  10. BettyNewbie
    July 18th, 2015 7:03 AM
    BettyNewbie
    I don't think Ampharos fits him. There's nothing draconic nor mystic about Ampharos. Yeah, it has a Dragon-type Mega, but Lance wouldn't be using a Mega Ampharos anyway.
    Translation, it's not "badass" enough for him. He should only use Big Strong MANLY Pokémon, dammit... Like, Dragonite, for example. :rolleyes2:

    Dragons tend to follow the hardhitter template way too often.
    And, why do you think that is?
  11. Cerberus87
    July 17th, 2015 3:16 PM
    Cerberus87
    I don't think Ampharos fits him. There's nothing draconic nor mystic about Ampharos. Yeah, it has a Dragon-type Mega, but Lance wouldn't be using a Mega Ampharos anyway.

    Dragons tend to follow the hardhitter template way too often.
  12. BettyNewbie
    July 16th, 2015 8:19 AM
    BettyNewbie
    I think I'd give Lance Kingdra and maybe Lapras or something like that instead of the two Dragonites. Lapras learns quite a few Dragon-type moves, actually. I don't like that he uses Salamence because it makes his team too overpowered and bland.

    A personal favorite that he uses in Stadium is Arcanine. Arcanine learned Dragon Rage in RBY and currently it learns Outrage and Dragon Pulse. Ampharos would give him some variety, but Ampharos is slow and easy to take out unfortunately...
    Lapras isn't bad, but it is sort of redundant with Kingdra and Gyarados. Ditto for Arcanine in regards to Charizard.

    As for Ampharos, it doesn't share a weakness with anything else he has, and it's SE against the Water types people usually use against Lance. Yeah, Earthquake takes it out quickly, but not any quicker than Thunderbolt takes out Gyarados or Ice Beam takes out Dragonite.
  13. Cerberus87
    July 16th, 2015 3:10 AM
    Cerberus87
    I think I'd give Lance Kingdra and maybe Lapras or something like that instead of the two Dragonites. Lapras learns quite a few Dragon-type moves, actually. I don't like that he uses Salamence because it makes his team too overpowered and bland.

    A personal favorite that he uses in Stadium is Arcanine. ^^ Arcanine learned Dragon Rage in RBY and currently it learns Outrage and Dragon Pulse. Ampharos would give him some variety, but Ampharos is slow and easy to take out unfortunately...
  14. BettyNewbie
    July 15th, 2015 10:19 AM
    BettyNewbie
    I think Lance's team in GSC is rather boring by current standards, though. And none of his updated teams do him justice. Lance without Gyarados isn't Lance.
    At the very least, what he needs to do is ditch the dupe Dragonites. That's just boring and unimpressive by any standard, especially for a Champion. (In fact, I think Lance is the only Champion to date who uses dupes.)

    Why can't he have a Kingdra, for example? Not only is it a Dragon type, but it's also not part-Flying and from Gen 1-2. That should be an obvious choice for his team.

    Or, what about Ampharos? Its Japanese name means "electric dragon," and it received a Dragon type Mega, so it's probably meant to be a "dragon" in the same way as Charizard and friends.

    And, if Gen 3+ Pokémon are allowed, why not Sceptile, Flygon, Serperior, or Dragalge? They're all either Dragon type or dragon-like Pokémon, and again, none of them are Flying. Lance doesn't need cheap ass Pokémon like Salamence and Garchomp; Dragonite is the only Pseudo he needs.
  15. Cerberus87
    July 14th, 2015 9:48 PM
    Cerberus87
    I think Lance's team in GSC is rather boring by current standards, though. And none of his updated teams do him justice. Lance without Gyarados isn't Lance. :(